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Some things I have to get off my chest. Long time Knick fans? Lets enjoy this ride. Naysaying Critics? Grain of salt;
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12/24/2012  2:55 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/24/2012  2:57 PM
If posters want to argue let them. You can always find little things to pick at.

I'm enjoying the ride indeed.

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12/24/2012  3:23 PM
knickscity wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I don't appreciate being called a Naysaying critic. Somber has a much better ring to it

I would be different if the team actually won a championship recently or actually gave hope it could.

This group is still an unknown, they are winning games, but that is it so far.

"Naysayer" is a strong word when the team hasn't done anything significant yet.

Yeah but for the first time in 23 years they are in the championship conversation. I find it much harder to miss games and where as I would turn away or only watch the fourth quarter sometimes as the season wore on in the dark years, I watch game night and the post game again and don't miss a minute of the game.
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12/24/2012  4:14 PM
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knickscity wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I don't appreciate being called a Naysaying critic. Somber has a much better ring to it

I would be different if the team actually won a championship recently or actually gave hope it could.

This group is still an unknown, they are winning games, but that is it so far.

"Naysayer" is a strong word when the team hasn't done anything significant yet.

Yeah but for the first time in 23 years they are in the championship conversation. I find it much harder to miss games and where as I would turn away or only watch the fourth quarter sometimes as the season wore on in the dark years, I watch game night and the post game again and don't miss a minute of the game.

Me too, but I wouldn't call anyone a naysayer, that's reserved for when the team actually does something.
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12/24/2012  5:07 PM
Merry Knicksmas

AnubisADL wrote:If posters want to argue let them. You can always find little things to pick at.

I'm enjoying the ride indeed.

The Lakers and their fans fear what we can do on the court. We will stomp their hearts, rip open their Christmas presents and steal their women.

Win or lose, this Knicks team is never predictable... well, except for Carmelo dropping 30.

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12/24/2012  5:37 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
knickscity wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I don't appreciate being called a Naysaying critic. Somber has a much better ring to it

I would be different if the team actually won a championship recently or actually gave hope it could.

This group is still an unknown, they are winning games, but that is it so far.

"Naysayer" is a strong word when the team hasn't done anything significant yet.

Yeah but for the first time in 23 years they are in the championship conversation. I find it much harder to miss games and where as I would turn away or only watch the fourth quarter sometimes as the season wore on in the dark years, I watch game night and the post game again and don't miss a minute of the game.

My math was way off. It seems like 23 years but its been about 14 years.

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12/24/2012  6:06 PM
misterearl wrote:Merry Knicksmas

AnubisADL wrote:If posters want to argue let them. You can always find little things to pick at.

I'm enjoying the ride indeed.

The Lakers and their fans fear what we can do on the court. We will stomp their hearts, rip open their Christmas presents and steal their women.

Win or lose, this Knicks team is never predictable... well, except for Carmelo dropping 30.

Earl, we will not only do this to the Fakers but we are hungry and we will stomp anyone that gets in our way on the way to the CHIP.THIS IS OUR MOMENT IN TIME. BLEED ORANGE AND BLUE.GONYGONYGONYGO

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12/24/2012  8:14 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/24/2012  8:22 PM
fishmike wrote:I read the first 3-4 sentances.

How about this? Since when is NY a town that gets excited about basketball games in December? Since when does NY get excited about stars who talk big and deliver little?

As a Yankee fan and 81 game season ticket holder for 12 years when marquee aquisitions were made we had a different attitude about these players.

When ARod was signed nobody said he was the best ever and all his past failures were a result of poor rosters or whatever excuses are made for Melo's past on a daily basis... no, we watched and waited to be shown exactly whats so great about YOU, and what are YOU going to do for the Yankees. When Tino, Knoblach, Clemens, Giambi, (we can do this all day) came to the team fans waited to be won over. Then when those guys had big wins, clutch hits in the playoffs, walk off homers, etc.. it was labeled "earning your stripes."

The Knick (or NBA) culture is clearly different, or it certainly is here. I guess NY has been so devoid of talent many here view Knicks as lucky to have aquired Melo, and it doesnt matter what he does because we are lucky to have a player this talented and special. The best part is the excuses for his past failurs (as if they any ANY thing to do with the Knicks).

So whats Melo done a Knick to earn his stripes?

Everyone remembers that first playoff series againt Boston, Amare goes down and Melo has these heroic games. Or does he? Seems like his one monster game Paul Pierce got the last laugh in crunch time no? 4 games Melo shoots .375

hmm... is that a superstar performance?

Vs. Heat Melo averages 42% on 10-25 a night and averages .22% from 3.

We all know he didnt play hard for MDA (sure, lets blame the coach). Of course the current coach we all agree is a better fit and many here adore said this:

NY Knicks interim coach Mike Woodson says Carmelo Anthony must shape up next season
Woodson feels All-Star forward can improve his fitness
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/mike-woodson-carmelo-anthony-shape-season-article-1.1072906#ixzz2FyRJMQfk

And now in year 3 Melo is playing great ball, and TFK aside there isnt a Knick fan thats not happy about it. But the MVP, this is the greatest Knick and a natural born leader and champion stuff? Hey, if thats your cup of tea thats great man. Honestly when I started watching NBA ball Ewing had just become a Knick and I pretty much felt the same way about him. But it doesn make the people that have a higher standard, or are simply waiting to be "won over" haters.

Its nice to see Melo playing well to start the season. As far as MVP? I dont see it, but I also dont care. As for Melo's greatness? Im really hoping I see it this spring. Maybe Melo is already giving you what your hungry for, and thats cool man. Im hungry for a nice long postseason. THATS what this fan wants, so its wait and see. I dont care if we win 70 games. I want to be in the finals. I want to see Garnet's look when we eliminate Boston, or Jennings pout when we send the Buck packing, or Knoa's dopey "how could this have happened" look when we send the Bulls packing or god forbid Lebron's tears when the Heat walk off the Garden floor in defeat.

Does wanting that make me more a REAL fan than just some homer happy to have a guy who's put up a great 6 weeks? Name calling is kinda lame huh? Im glad your enjoying the season. Me too! If telling yourself Melo is the best and has always been the best makes the season more enjoyable for you then by all means... but getting pissy and disgusted when people have a different view? Equally lame. If your so disgusted by what you read on an internet forum maybe you should unplug. Just a suggestion.


Comparing the Knicks to the Yankees?

Wow, that's like me comparing Manchester United or Barcelona with the Cavaliers in terms of trophies won.

Ofcourse the fans of a team that doesn't win every year are going to be more excited than the ones that are used to watching their team win practicaly every season bar the odd one here and there.

Not to mention people are free to be excited about their team, whether it's December, May, or even freaking July.

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12/25/2012  2:21 AM
NYKMentality wrote:It seems as if only the posters with a guilty conscience are the one's who've attemped to mock me during this thread while resorting to posting with sarcastic remarks. When the truth hurts, the'll then attempt to derail these types of threads while trolling at the same time. It's what they do best; it's in their post count. Bonn1997 is the perfect example. He joins this thread only to provide us with a one line filler used in order to derail a posters thought's such as "Can you elaborate on that"? Well, I will elaborate.

These types of one line fillers (from Bonn1997) are only used to antagonize, troll and/or derail a thread such as this one. It's actually something that happens very often around here. Same goes for Nalod and his sarcastic remarks and/or post's about Christmas, Santa, the Easter Bunny, the North Pole, mentioning Melo's name in a sarcastic light and/or mocking type of way etc, etc. Everything and anything opposite of what this thread was actually created for. No one asked for their negativity and/or for them to chime in with guilty conscience types of sarcastic remarks. But, they couldn't hold back. I'll cut it down with some cliff notes for those who can read between the lines. I'll "elaborate".

We'ere spending so much energy and/or time arguing with some of these unsatisfiable, negative, 24/7 types of naysaying critics when instead, we could be enjoying one of the greatest starts to a single season our fan base has ever seen. As some of you can tell, just mentioning the fact that we're spending too much energy and/or time arguing with some of these unsatisfiable negative critics gets their panties in a bunch. These types of sports fans won't be satisfied as a person until we win a championship and/or until ex Knicks "win a championship" in order to show us "just how right" they really were.

It's sad when you can't post about the greatest Knick since Ewing having a potentially MVP type of season without being called out due to "LeBron and Durant" and/or considered a "circle jerk party" when talking up a currently outstanding season in regards to Melo himself leading our Knicks. 20-7 overall. Only 1 1/2 games back of the OKC Thunder for the best record in all of basketball.

These naysaying critics? A grain of salt when looking at the grand scheme of things. We're true Eastern Conference Contenders for the first time dating back to the 1990's. Our deepest team maybe of all-time in regards to overall talent and depth from top to bottom. Our fan base has only seen four Atlantic Division crowns. I've only seen two during the 90's. Even with Ewing, we were not winning the Atlantic. As of right now we're 5/12 games up on Brooklyn and could very well be on the verge of witnessing something in which has only happened at a clip of once every 16.5 years; An Atlantic Division Banner hanging from the rafters. Don't tell that to these negative critics though.

I'm enjoying a certain type of feeling that I haven't had since childhood days in regards to our Knicks. The same feelings I had with Ewing? It's now with Melo and these Knicks. These negative critics can't handle this truth. It upsets them to know that Melo's the greatest all-around Knick since Patrick Ewing. These types of threads get under their skin. They can't stand the fact that heading into these games, that thousands upon thousands of Knick fans (such as myself) can't stop thinking about and/or wondering what Melo's on the verge of doing next. Last night struggled all night (as all the great ones do) before exploding out of no where for 19 fourt quarter points against not only a Wolves opponent but also against the refs.

As a fan base, we welcomed Melo with open arms as well. In numbers too. Remember his first Knicks intro? Why did the heart and soul of our fan base welcome Carmelo Anthony with open eyes? Because our fan base not only knew, but we also had an understanding that we were on the verge of landing the greatest Knick since Patrick Ewing himself. Madison Square Garden and the Knicks faithful have Melo's back with 100% support. Melo's at the free throw linelast night with under two minutes to go, and what do we hear out of the Mecca? We hear chants of MVP. MVP. MVP. Chants of MVP for our greatest Knick since #33 of his prime years. But yet, we can't enjoy his performance in which has been MVP worthy due to the fact that these nay-saying critics 'say so'? They'll bring up LeBron and Durtant as a way of harping all over our top 5 NBA all-world talent.

We see threads such as "Losing is acceptable to the Knicks". If losing is "acceptable" then please explain why we've lost two consecutive (back to back) games only once this season. 88-76 vs the Pacers. 121-100 vs the Pistons. 102-88 @ the Bucks. 112-106 vs the Nuggets. 100-86 vs the Nets. 94-91 vs Minny. All coming off loses. 20-7 overall. It seems as if our Knicks actually respond strong as ever coming off of loses. Don't let the fact's get in the way of these types of topics though. Kidd. Melo. Chandler. Rasheed. Camby and Kurt Thomas have all accepted losing? I'm sure guys such as Pablo, J.R Smith, Novak and Brewer "accept losing" as well?

20-7. One of the greatest starts to a season we've ever seen. Enjoying our greatest Knick talent since Ewing himself in Carmelo Anthony. 12-2 home record. Only 1 1/2 games back of the OKC Thunder for the best record in all of basketball. The deepest Knicks team some of us have ever seen dating back to the early 1990's. On the verge of enjoying a Christmas day matchup against a storied franchise such as the Lakers. It's Los Angeles vs New York. We've returned to the spot light.

They only have one choice. To deal with it.

Holy shyt!

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12/25/2012  8:17 AM
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NYKMentality wrote:It seems as if only the posters with a guilty conscience are the one's who've attemped to mock me during this thread while resorting to posting with sarcastic remarks. When the truth hurts, the'll then attempt to derail these types of threads while trolling at the same time. It's what they do best; it's in their post count. Bonn1997 is the perfect example. He joins this thread only to provide us with a one line filler used in order to derail a posters thought's such as "Can you elaborate on that"? Well, I will elaborate.

These types of one line fillers (from Bonn1997) are only used to antagonize, troll and/or derail a thread such as this one. It's actually something that happens very often around here. Same goes for Nalod and his sarcastic remarks and/or post's about Christmas, Santa, the Easter Bunny, the North Pole, mentioning Melo's name in a sarcastic light and/or mocking type of way etc, etc. Everything and anything opposite of what this thread was actually created for. No one asked for their negativity and/or for them to chime in with guilty conscience types of sarcastic remarks. But, they couldn't hold back. I'll cut it down with some cliff notes for those who can read between the lines. I'll "elaborate".

We'ere spending so much energy and/or time arguing with some of these unsatisfiable, negative, 24/7 types of naysaying critics when instead, we could be enjoying one of the greatest starts to a single season our fan base has ever seen. As some of you can tell, just mentioning the fact that we're spending too much energy and/or time arguing with some of these unsatisfiable negative critics gets their panties in a bunch. These types of sports fans won't be satisfied as a person until we win a championship and/or until ex Knicks "win a championship" in order to show us "just how right" they really were.

It's sad when you can't post about the greatest Knick since Ewing having a potentially MVP type of season without being called out due to "LeBron and Durant" and/or considered a "circle jerk party" when talking up a currently outstanding season in regards to Melo himself leading our Knicks. 20-7 overall. Only 1 1/2 games back of the OKC Thunder for the best record in all of basketball.

These naysaying critics? A grain of salt when looking at the grand scheme of things. We're true Eastern Conference Contenders for the first time dating back to the 1990's. Our deepest team maybe of all-time in regards to overall talent and depth from top to bottom. Our fan base has only seen four Atlantic Division crowns. I've only seen two during the 90's. Even with Ewing, we were not winning the Atlantic. As of right now we're 5/12 games up on Brooklyn and could very well be on the verge of witnessing something in which has only happened at a clip of once every 16.5 years; An Atlantic Division Banner hanging from the rafters. Don't tell that to these negative critics though.

I'm enjoying a certain type of feeling that I haven't had since childhood days in regards to our Knicks. The same feelings I had with Ewing? It's now with Melo and these Knicks. These negative critics can't handle this truth. It upsets them to know that Melo's the greatest all-around Knick since Patrick Ewing. These types of threads get under their skin. They can't stand the fact that heading into these games, that thousands upon thousands of Knick fans (such as myself) can't stop thinking about and/or wondering what Melo's on the verge of doing next. Last night struggled all night (as all the great ones do) before exploding out of no where for 19 fourt quarter points against not only a Wolves opponent but also against the refs.

As a fan base, we welcomed Melo with open arms as well. In numbers too. Remember his first Knicks intro? Why did the heart and soul of our fan base welcome Carmelo Anthony with open eyes? Because our fan base not only knew, but we also had an understanding that we were on the verge of landing the greatest Knick since Patrick Ewing himself. Madison Square Garden and the Knicks faithful have Melo's back with 100% support. Melo's at the free throw linelast night with under two minutes to go, and what do we hear out of the Mecca? We hear chants of MVP. MVP. MVP. Chants of MVP for our greatest Knick since #33 of his prime years. But yet, we can't enjoy his performance in which has been MVP worthy due to the fact that these nay-saying critics 'say so'? They'll bring up LeBron and Durtant as a way of harping all over our top 5 NBA all-world talent.

We see threads such as "Losing is acceptable to the Knicks". If losing is "acceptable" then please explain why we've lost two consecutive (back to back) games only once this season. 88-76 vs the Pacers. 121-100 vs the Pistons. 102-88 @ the Bucks. 112-106 vs the Nuggets. 100-86 vs the Nets. 94-91 vs Minny. All coming off loses. 20-7 overall. It seems as if our Knicks actually respond strong as ever coming off of loses. Don't let the fact's get in the way of these types of topics though. Kidd. Melo. Chandler. Rasheed. Camby and Kurt Thomas have all accepted losing? I'm sure guys such as Pablo, J.R Smith, Novak and Brewer "accept losing" as well?

20-7. One of the greatest starts to a season we've ever seen. Enjoying our greatest Knick talent since Ewing himself in Carmelo Anthony. 12-2 home record. Only 1 1/2 games back of the OKC Thunder for the best record in all of basketball. The deepest Knicks team some of us have ever seen dating back to the early 1990's. On the verge of enjoying a Christmas day matchup against a storied franchise such as the Lakers. It's Los Angeles vs New York. We've returned to the spot light.

They only have one choice. To deal with it.

can you elaborate and provide more detail in regards to line 89 of your post?


I could use more detail on line 147.

Sorry, NYKM, I didn't realize this was meant to be a serious thread.

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12/25/2012  8:28 AM
Why would you even allow the negative nay-sayers to get under your skin? I think a few of them are just giving their honest opinion which is what this board is for. A few others are just trolling / baiting and possibly don't even want to see this team win. This later category should just generally be ignored. Don't feed trolls.
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12/25/2012  8:56 AM
I like "Dont feed trolls."
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12/25/2012  9:13 AM
cooch2584 wrote:I like "Dont feed trolls."

someone that is good at photoshop needs to do a photo with that phrase - would be useful

DLeethal wrote: Lol Rick needs a safe space
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12/25/2012  9:38 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/25/2012  9:39 AM
cooch2584 wrote:I like "Dont feed trolls."

+1. Sounds good.

This thread seems like trolling on the OP's part though.

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12/25/2012  9:46 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/25/2012  9:46 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
cooch2584 wrote:I like "Dont feed trolls."

+1. Sounds good.

This thread seems like trolling on the OP's part though.

Possibly. Possibly not. If the less enthusiastic posters / non-melo posters really bother him this much then he should just ignore them. They really should not effect his enjoyment of this team or season.

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12/25/2012  9:47 AM

Some if the best writing over the years is the emotional pre-Banning manifesto rant!

I wonder if he has the collectors limited edition of the woopie goldberg movie "Eddie" on bluRay?

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12/25/2012  9:55 AM
Nalod wrote:
Some if the best writing over the years is the emotional pre-Banning manifesto rant!

I wonder if he has the collectors limited edition of the woopie goldberg movie "Eddie" on bluRay?

Key word 'over the years'...Over the years included the dysfunctional, on and off the court circus-act Knicks. Over the years the rants were relevant and needed. This year, we are off to our best start in over 20 years so the emotional rants nowadays are agenda based. The not-so hidden agenda's and the 'I told you so' posts are tiring and somewhat juvenile. Also, the 'forum police' who jump in every positive thread to tell Knick fans to temper their happiness is tiring aswell....

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12/25/2012  10:29 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/25/2012  10:29 AM
Uptown wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Some if the best writing over the years is the emotional pre-Banning manifesto rant!

I wonder if he has the collectors limited edition of the woopie goldberg movie "Eddie" on bluRay?

Key word 'over the years'...Over the years included the dysfunctional, on and off the court circus-act Knicks. Over the years the rants were relevant and needed. This year, we are off to our best start in over 20 years so the emotional rants nowadays are agenda based. The not-so hidden agenda's and the 'I told you so' posts are tiring and somewhat juvenile. Also, the 'forum police' who jump in every positive thread to tell Knick fans to temper their happiness is tiring aswell....

I don't get the arguement from either side.

Some guys are down on some players, some are down on the organizational process, and some just think that good start does not wipe it all away.

Even if they are enjoying the games.

Everyone has both an aszhole and an opinion.

My only problem is some posters believe they have knowledge when its just an opinion. but its not my obsession.

My mantra is "it all gets sorted out on the court".

I did not like Melo in a nugget uniform. But I said I'd let his game convince me otherwise. In his time here I find him to be a pleasent enough fellow and the team has been deficient in so many ways that to hang blame on him is not fair. At the same time I have read about him not being in the best of shape or doing things in the past to the level he has done this year. This year he is in the conversation and deservingly so.

I don't agree with the romantic notions put forth by some. In all fairness, thats their take and they are entitled to it. Its funny as hell sometimes. But lets not confuse romantic notions with facts, thats all. I object to posters stating they know things that are obviously just opinions. Facts are facts. Opinions are ok, just keep it separate.

The rest of it is good. If you believe in Melo and that he plays for "you" then enjoy the hell out of it.

I loved as kid the Knicks of the golden era. our family huddled around the TV for a sunday game against the Celtics. Nobody cared about the Jets or Giants, it was the Knicks!!! Times change. People change. The game has changed. some good, some bad.

I guess the big question is when does "Starphuching" become legitimate? Knicks are winning with an improbable cast this year.

I checked the Starphuch handbook and this chapter has yet to be written.

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12/31/2012  1:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/31/2012  1:20 PM
NYKMentality wrote:It seems as if only the posters with a guilty conscience are the one's who've attemped to mock me during this thread while resorting to posting with sarcastic remarks. When the truth hurts, the'll then attempt to derail these types of threads while trolling at the same time. It's what they do best; it's in their post count. Bonn1997 is the perfect example. He joins this thread only to provide us with a one line filler used in order to derail a posters thought's such as "Can you elaborate on that"? Well, I will elaborate.

These types of one line fillers (from Bonn1997) are only used to antagonize, troll and/or derail a thread such as this one. It's actually something that happens very often around here. Same goes for Nalod and his sarcastic remarks and/or post's about Christmas, Santa, the Easter Bunny, the North Pole, mentioning Melo's name in a sarcastic light and/or mocking type of way etc, etc. Everything and anything opposite of what this thread was actually created for. No one asked for their negativity and/or for them to chime in with guilty conscience types of sarcastic remarks. But, they couldn't hold back. I'll cut it down with some cliff notes for those who can read between the lines. I'll "elaborate".

We'ere spending so much energy and/or time arguing with some of these unsatisfiable, negative, 24/7 types of naysaying critics when instead, we could be enjoying one of the greatest starts to a single season our fan base has ever seen. As some of you can tell, just mentioning the fact that we're spending too much energy and/or time arguing with some of these unsatisfiable negative critics gets their panties in a bunch. These types of sports fans won't be satisfied as a person until we win a championship and/or until ex Knicks "win a championship" in order to show us "just how right" they really were.

It's sad when you can't post about the greatest Knick since Ewing having a potentially MVP type of season without being called out due to "LeBron and Durant" and/or considered a "circle jerk party" when talking up a currently outstanding season in regards to Melo himself leading our Knicks. 20-7 overall. Only 1 1/2 games back of the OKC Thunder for the best record in all of basketball.

These naysaying critics? A grain of salt when looking at the grand scheme of things. We're true Eastern Conference Contenders for the first time dating back to the 1990's. Our deepest team maybe of all-time in regards to overall talent and depth from top to bottom. Our fan base has only seen four Atlantic Division crowns. I've only seen two during the 90's. Even with Ewing, we were not winning the Atlantic. As of right now we're 5/12 games up on Brooklyn and could very well be on the verge of witnessing something in which has only happened at a clip of once every 16.5 years; An Atlantic Division Banner hanging from the rafters. Don't tell that to these negative critics though.

I'm enjoying a certain type of feeling that I haven't had since childhood days in regards to our Knicks. The same feelings I had with Ewing? It's now with Melo and these Knicks. These negative critics can't handle this truth. It upsets them to know that Melo's the greatest all-around Knick since Patrick Ewing. These types of threads get under their skin. They can't stand the fact that heading into these games, that thousands upon thousands of Knick fans (such as myself) can't stop thinking about and/or wondering what Melo's on the verge of doing next. Last night struggled all night (as all the great ones do) before exploding out of no where for 19 fourt quarter points against not only a Wolves opponent but also against the refs.

As a fan base, we welcomed Melo with open arms as well. In numbers too. Remember his first Knicks intro? Why did the heart and soul of our fan base welcome Carmelo Anthony with open eyes? Because our fan base not only knew, but we also had an understanding that we were on the verge of landing the greatest Knick since Patrick Ewing himself. Madison Square Garden and the Knicks faithful have Melo's back with 100% support. Melo's at the free throw linelast night with under two minutes to go, and what do we hear out of the Mecca? We hear chants of MVP. MVP. MVP. Chants of MVP for our greatest Knick since #33 of his prime years. But yet, we can't enjoy his performance in which has been MVP worthy due to the fact that these nay-saying critics 'say so'? They'll bring up LeBron and Durtant as a way of harping all over our top 5 NBA all-world talent.

We see threads such as "Losing is acceptable to the Knicks". If losing is "acceptable" then please explain why we've lost two consecutive (back to back) games only once this season. 88-76 vs the Pacers. 121-100 vs the Pistons. 102-88 @ the Bucks. 112-106 vs the Nuggets. 100-86 vs the Nets. 94-91 vs Minny. All coming off loses. 20-7 overall. It seems as if our Knicks actually respond strong as ever coming off of loses. Don't let the fact's get in the way of these types of topics though. Kidd. Melo. Chandler. Rasheed. Camby and Kurt Thomas have all accepted losing? I'm sure guys such as Pablo, J.R Smith, Novak and Brewer "accept losing" as well?

20-7. One of the greatest starts to a season we've ever seen. Enjoying our greatest Knick talent since Ewing himself in Carmelo Anthony. 12-2 home record. Only 1 1/2 games back of the OKC Thunder for the best record in all of basketball. The deepest Knicks team some of us have ever seen dating back to the early 1990's. On the verge of enjoying a Christmas day matchup against a storied franchise such as the Lakers. It's Los Angeles vs New York. We've returned to the spot light.

They only have one choice. To deal with it.

RonRon move over. And out.

At 21-9 I thought this might be worth responding to. For no particular reason.

This is the never ending discussion against competing worldviews. Opinions are based on worldviews. No one's maintaining (at least from what I can glean from these NYKMentality novels) that you can't have an opposing opinion to devout homerism, I think the key here is that Somberites hold onto their opinions in the face of the current evidence, or even into the teeth of the evidence we are currently faced with.

The few deranged haters aside, Melo is a legitimate beast. He's morphed into something here in Goatland that goes well beyond the AI mold of killing and maiming through points alone. He is making others better even when he doesn't play, by forcing others to step up and fill the hole. And they are acknowledging that fact, before and afterwards, and are filling it. Tyson Chandler scoring 20 ppg? Hello? Novak and Cope looking like someone just shot their dogs after a last second loss to the....SacBees??? (I won't even start about JR because he's practically a UK board unto himself at this point.) Is it just fablism to think and notice that in regular seasons in the not too distant past, no Knicks would have given two shits about a loss like this one? You would have seen the stoic trot off the court quickly and get to the dayum hotel as per usual.

We have YouTube Melo. I'm certain there would have been a YouTube Spree, a YouTube Patrick, a BK Tube. I don't have the time or ambition to go back and search for them. Melo doesn't have the track record. Yet. But to pooh pooh the homerism as premature ejaculates after what we have so far is truly unfair to the facts. [Insert Mr .470 factoids here for rebuttal.] The man's scoring during individual quarters like a crazed unstoppable smiling machine and epitomizing the "climb aboard fellas, it's going to be a bumpy ride" got the team on his back entry in the dictionary.

We've discussed the worldview differences in other threads. The NY cool says hate is in. Keep that simmering anger against mom's apple pie cooking at all costs. Never go John Sterling over anything. Spike may jump up and down and look like a 2nd grader off his ritalin during games, but he's still stoic in the interviews. Stone cold. Spike don't get all gooey and teary-eyed, or at least I've never seen that yet. [Insert youtube links by playa2, showing Spike in the tunnel crying over spilled Pepsi on his Novak jersey]

We hear incessantly that the games tell the story. Well the story is in: 21-9. We have yet to have a three game losing streak. We barely ever appear on the back page for trials and off court tribulations. For the love of G&W, we haven't even seen a Dolan hate thread in what seems like months!

You can have your hate, or your factoid-derived/results-only realism or whatever you want to call it to legitimize and optimize your worldview. Wallpaper over your beliefs with whatever flavor of statistics you can find.

Just realize that if we were just a few games over .500, had been promptly destroyed by the Heat twice, you'd have a lot more credibility to your worldview.

They found out the universe did have a beginning. Some day they may find the ark; either one of them. That may have to change the way you look at the world. But that won't be such a bad thing, will it?

Just sayin.

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12/31/2012  1:34 PM
Anji wrote:
fishmike wrote:But it doesn make the people that have a higher standard, or are simply waiting to be "won over" haters.

Does wanting that make me more a REAL fan than just some homer happy to have a guy who's put up a great 6 weeks? Name calling is kinda lame huh? Im glad your enjoying the season. Me too! If telling yourself Melo is the best and has always been the best makes the season more enjoyable for you then by all means... but getting pissy and disgusted when people have a different view? Equally lame. If your so disgusted by what you read on an internet forum maybe you should unplug. Just a suggestion.


This probably would mean more coming from another post not as sour as you ole fishmike.

What did Stat do for you to "earn dem stripes" and have you proclaiming him the knicks "real" best player all summer??? At 20-7 we're still waiting for him to even practice with the team during the season. Hell that's almost as good as the fabled 21-9 stretch you like to still bring up every once and again (team was actually 19-11, close though).

Seems like Stats MVP claims didn't bother you then on a 20sumthing and 20 sumthing Knicks, why so serious now about another Knick???

You can be a real critical thinker when you want to be and it's a little disingenuous now though to be claiming your a hard ass who is tough to sway when your still waving those pom poms for a guy who had a nice 40 sumthing games almost two years ago.

Any way, we all know the heart wants what the heart wants, so that is a good enough answer fishy. It's a lose lose to argue with some one with your position in the end.

sour? Thats funny... furthest thing from it.

Want to know why I feel that way about Amare? Glad you asked. Knicks had I believe 7 years of horrific unwatchable basketball. No FA would sign here (why would they????).

In come Amare, with his crappy knees and negative, this guy isnt worth it naysayers. What happened? After a poor start Knicks went 21-9 over a 30 game stretch. Knicks were the 3rd youngest team in the league, but they were winning games. They beat many elite teams during that stretch included Mavs (would be champs), Bulls, Melo's Nuggets, OKC and Spurs to name a few. Who was leading the NBA in 4th qtr scoring? Amare. Who was leading our young and inexperienced roster? Amare. Who was getting MVP chants? Amare.

This guy breathed life into a totally dead franchise. So thats how and why Amare "earned his stripes" with the Knicks. Then we traded a good young team and picks for Melo who quit on the first coach and the following year was told to get in shape by the next coach. Also? until THIS season Melo added ZERO wins.

So one Knick came in and produced what you would expect an all star and leader to produce.
The other Knick came in accomplished nothing but kill chemistry (twice).

Now I am very glad Melo is playing well and the Knicks are playing. I never EVER said I hoped he would fail here. Only that he has yet to do anything worthy of the jock riding that he gets around here from his loyal minions.

You can agree with my viewpoint, or you can disagree with it. I dont give a fart in the wind. But you cant say anything I am saying isnt true.

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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12/31/2012  2:08 PM
It's untrue, LoL. The team never went 21-9 over any stretch.

Mind Blown........

There is no point to arguing with your position though, I'll give you that. It's a lose/lose from my POV.

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