[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

Losing is acceptable to the Knicks
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum
Page 3 of 4 ‹ Previous 1  2  3  4 Next ›
« Reply To Topic
Author Thread
fishmike
Posts: 53863
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 7/19/2002
Member: #298
USA
2/14/2013  7:35 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
misterearl wrote:+19

knickscity wrote:If losing is acceptable, how come the team hasn't been doing much of it?

Thank you knickscity.

14-13 in the last 27 games. That's 6-6 without Felton and 8-7 with him. The average of our opponents' winning % is below .450 for that stretch.

and people need to really look past this 2nd in the east nonesense. We would be 5th in the west. Knicks are a middle seed playoff team right now, a 2nd round team at best.
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
AUTOADVERT
jrodmc
Posts: 32927
Alba Posts: 50
Joined: 11/24/2004
Member: #805
USA
2/14/2013  7:43 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
misterearl wrote:+19

knickscity wrote:If losing is acceptable, how come the team hasn't been doing much of it?

Thank you knickscity.

14-13 in the last 27 games. That's 6-6 without Felton and 8-7 with him. The average of our opponents' winning % is below .450 for that stretch.

1st place is not acceptable.

There's really no place in the standings we could be where someone can't dig up something to show that we should all rather be posting for some other team.

Make that Any Other Team.

Your New York Knicks, the only team leading a division that suhucks more than all other teams in the league.
fishmike
Posts: 53863
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 7/19/2002
Member: #298
USA
2/14/2013  7:59 AM
jrodmc wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
misterearl wrote:+19

knickscity wrote:If losing is acceptable, how come the team hasn't been doing much of it?

Thank you knickscity.

14-13 in the last 27 games. That's 6-6 without Felton and 8-7 with him. The average of our opponents' winning % is below .450 for that stretch.

1st place is not acceptable.

There's really no place in the standings we could be where someone can't dig up something to show that we should all rather be posting for some other team.

Make that Any Other Team.

Your New York Knicks, the only team leading a division that suhucks more than all other teams in the league.

you forgot Melo is MVP
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
AnubisADL
Posts: 27382
Alba Posts: 13
Joined: 6/29/2009
Member: #2771
USA
2/14/2013  9:14 AM
Knicks play in the East. Who gives a **** what they would hypothetically be in the West?
NY Knicks - Retirement home for players and GMs
Vmart
Posts: 31800
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 5/23/2002
Member: #247
USA
2/14/2013  9:26 AM
AnubisADL wrote:Knicks play in the East. Who gives a **** what they would hypothetically be in the West?

One thing the Knicks are proving is that best record means nothing, after all home field means diddly to the Knicks because they can't win at home. They are letting everything they built slip away. They need to make moves to get younger only three players should be kept from the old player lot that is Wallace, Kidd and Progione. I'm thinking if trading Shumpert is the key to get back a good SG then the Knicks have to consider it. The player the Knicks should target is Affalo or Eric Gordon. This team as is is built to win now with Amare aging and Melo getting there in years played there might not be a better opportunity for the Knicks the push needs to be made.
simrud
Posts: 23392
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/13/2003
Member: #474
USA
2/14/2013  10:06 AM
This game just showed again what this team is - a middling 2nd round exit bound but often fun to root for bunch. Sure beats lottery bound, and only 2 teams have a real shot at the title, those teams being the ones with James and Durant on their rosters so I suppose it doesnt really matter.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
Bonn1997
Posts: 58654
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 2/2/2004
Member: #581
USA
2/14/2013  10:13 AM
The Clippers with Paul and the Spurs with Parker have a shot too.
If we acquire a good backcourt member and get a healthy Camby, we have a shot - it's a pretty low probability of both those happening and nothing else going badly wrong though.
MSG3
Posts: 22788
Alba Posts: 4
Joined: 2/2/2009
Member: #2476
USA
2/14/2013  10:14 AM
I'm as optimistic as anyone. But I think this team is closer to how we're playing now then how we played to start the year. I think the title of this thread hits the nail on the head. Losing is acceptable. This is supposed to be a veteran team. The way we come out for games and close games lately is a joke. Last night was disgusting.

This is a good team, but it's going to take massive improvement to make noise in the playoffs. Schedule only gets harder. Still trying to enjoy first in the division and an all around goods start, but they set the bar so high to start the year that it's disappointing to see how far they've fallen.
jrodmc
Posts: 32927
Alba Posts: 50
Joined: 11/24/2004
Member: #805
USA
2/14/2013  10:36 AM
fishmike wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
misterearl wrote:+19

knickscity wrote:If losing is acceptable, how come the team hasn't been doing much of it?

Thank you knickscity.

14-13 in the last 27 games. That's 6-6 without Felton and 8-7 with him. The average of our opponents' winning % is below .450 for that stretch.

1st place is not acceptable.

There's really no place in the standings we could be where someone can't dig up something to show that we should all rather be posting for some other team.

Make that Any Other Team.

Your New York Knicks, the only team leading a division that suhucks more than all other teams in the league.

you forgot Melo is MVP

You forgot Melo shouldn't be on the All Star team.
fishmike
Posts: 53863
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 7/19/2002
Member: #298
USA
2/15/2013  7:21 AM
jrodmc wrote:
fishmike wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
misterearl wrote:+19

knickscity wrote:If losing is acceptable, how come the team hasn't been doing much of it?

Thank you knickscity.

14-13 in the last 27 games. That's 6-6 without Felton and 8-7 with him. The average of our opponents' winning % is below .450 for that stretch.

1st place is not acceptable.

There's really no place in the standings we could be where someone can't dig up something to show that we should all rather be posting for some other team.

Make that Any Other Team.

Your New York Knicks, the only team leading a division that suhucks more than all other teams in the league.

you forgot Melo is MVP

You forgot Melo shouldn't be on the All Star team.

no he earned it. I dont make up nonesense. I save that for you and the minions
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
Bonn1997
Posts: 58654
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 2/2/2004
Member: #581
USA
2/15/2013  7:22 AM
fishmike wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
fishmike wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
misterearl wrote:+19

knickscity wrote:If losing is acceptable, how come the team hasn't been doing much of it?

Thank you knickscity.

14-13 in the last 27 games. That's 6-6 without Felton and 8-7 with him. The average of our opponents' winning % is below .450 for that stretch.

1st place is not acceptable.

There's really no place in the standings we could be where someone can't dig up something to show that we should all rather be posting for some other team.

Make that Any Other Team.

Your New York Knicks, the only team leading a division that suhucks more than all other teams in the league.

you forgot Melo is MVP

You forgot Melo shouldn't be on the All Star team.

no he earned it. I dont make up nonesense. I save that for you and the minions

+1
fishmike
Posts: 53863
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 7/19/2002
Member: #298
USA
2/15/2013  9:22 AM
yea Bonn... guys would rather spout fodder than talk about any shortcomings their heros might have. You look at the papers, folks who cover the NBA... the Knicks are in trouble. They have big problems. They will probably make it to the 2nd round but after that?

Knicks have been a .500 team for two months now. Let just ignore that because we are in 2nd place. Im sure next month when there are like 17 games and most over .500 teams that this currenlt level of play will keep us in 2nd place right? JRoid? Anyone? Nothing to worry about here right?

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
jrodmc
Posts: 32927
Alba Posts: 50
Joined: 11/24/2004
Member: #805
USA
2/15/2013  10:06 AM
Yes fish, some of us would rather wallow around in first place after spending years as the laughing stock of the league. It's much better to focus on the amount of somberized shit we'd be in if we were in another conference. Or whining endlessly about how our number of games ahead is just not enough for your overly manic depressive outlook on life. Or post after post of negative prognosticating about all the terror that will befall us IF WE ACTUALLY MAKE IT TO THE SECOND ROUND OF THE PLAYOFFS. Silly us; why can't we minion homer fable hero loving goobers just see the warm reality you and the sombers live in?

Fish, think about the past. Think about the second round of the playoffs. Try and see if there's any reason at all to be happy about typing "They will probably make it to the 2nd round" Notice you don't type "we". Let that sink in.

Seriously, what amount of happiness do you get out of pissing on your own charcoal, if the Knicks in first really even do represent your charcoal?

Would you be happier in third or fourth place and maybe fighting for an eight seed?
TeamBall
Posts: 24343
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/13/2012
Member: #4386
2/15/2013  10:10 AM
jrodmc wrote:Yes fish, some of us would rather wallow around in first place after spending years as the laughing stock of the league. It's much better to focus on the amount of somberized shit we'd be in if we were in another conference. Or whining endlessly about how our number of games ahead is just not enough for your overly manic depressive outlook on life. Or post after post of negative prognosticating about all the terror that will befall us IF WE ACTUALLY MAKE IT TO THE SECOND ROUND OF THE PLAYOFFS. Silly us; why can't we minion homer fable hero loving goobers just see the warm reality you and the sombers live in?

Fish, think about the past. Think about the second round of the playoffs. Try and see if there's any reason at all to be happy about typing "They will probably make it to the 2nd round" Notice you don't type "we". Let that sink in.

Seriously, what amount of happiness do you get out of pissing on your own charcoal, if the Knicks in first really even do represent your charcoal?

Would you be happier in third or fourth place and maybe fighting for an eight seed?


jrod, the Knicks do have some serious problems. No ones knocking the Knicks for being 2nd seed (well, maybe some are). Personally, im just not liking what I have been seeing from them the last month or so.
Knicksfan: Hypocrite league that fines players after the game for flopping but in the game and with obvious flopping they call the fouls.
jrodmc
Posts: 32927
Alba Posts: 50
Joined: 11/24/2004
Member: #805
USA
2/15/2013  10:22 AM
TeamBall wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Yes fish, some of us would rather wallow around in first place after spending years as the laughing stock of the league. It's much better to focus on the amount of somberized shit we'd be in if we were in another conference. Or whining endlessly about how our number of games ahead is just not enough for your overly manic depressive outlook on life. Or post after post of negative prognosticating about all the terror that will befall us IF WE ACTUALLY MAKE IT TO THE SECOND ROUND OF THE PLAYOFFS. Silly us; why can't we minion homer fable hero loving goobers just see the warm reality you and the sombers live in?

Fish, think about the past. Think about the second round of the playoffs. Try and see if there's any reason at all to be happy about typing "They will probably make it to the 2nd round" Notice you don't type "we". Let that sink in.

Seriously, what amount of happiness do you get out of pissing on your own charcoal, if the Knicks in first really even do represent your charcoal?

Would you be happier in third or fourth place and maybe fighting for an eight seed?


jrod, the Knicks do have some serious problems. No ones knocking the Knicks for being 2nd seed (well, maybe some are). Personally, im just not liking what I have been seeing from them the last month or so.

Teamball, I've been quoted for months as saying the Knicks are a good very old team, liable to breakdown, hoping for some help from two of their best players who've been MIA for the most part of the season we've beheld so far.

But honestly, 5th place in the West? Only 5 losses away from being a 5th seed in the east? The glaciers are melting faster than usual? The ozone hole is growing? The sun's too hot?

I can understand the worldview difference from people who only post about Knick problems and Melo's bridgework. And I wholeheartedly would join in the whining and the crying if we had just spent the last 4 months watching a team floundering around in 4th or 5th in the division or even fighting for a scrap of a playoff berth.

But we haven't. That's all I'm saying.
TeamBall
Posts: 24343
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/13/2012
Member: #4386
2/15/2013  10:28 AM
jrodmc wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Yes fish, some of us would rather wallow around in first place after spending years as the laughing stock of the league. It's much better to focus on the amount of somberized shit we'd be in if we were in another conference. Or whining endlessly about how our number of games ahead is just not enough for your overly manic depressive outlook on life. Or post after post of negative prognosticating about all the terror that will befall us IF WE ACTUALLY MAKE IT TO THE SECOND ROUND OF THE PLAYOFFS. Silly us; why can't we minion homer fable hero loving goobers just see the warm reality you and the sombers live in?

Fish, think about the past. Think about the second round of the playoffs. Try and see if there's any reason at all to be happy about typing "They will probably make it to the 2nd round" Notice you don't type "we". Let that sink in.

Seriously, what amount of happiness do you get out of pissing on your own charcoal, if the Knicks in first really even do represent your charcoal?

Would you be happier in third or fourth place and maybe fighting for an eight seed?


jrod, the Knicks do have some serious problems. No ones knocking the Knicks for being 2nd seed (well, maybe some are). Personally, im just not liking what I have been seeing from them the last month or so.

Teamball, I've been quoted for months as saying the Knicks are a good very old team, liable to breakdown, hoping for some help from two of their best players who've been MIA for the most part of the season we've beheld so far.

But honestly, 5th place in the West? Only 5 losses away from being a 5th seed in the east? The glaciers are melting faster than usual? The ozone hole is growing? The sun's too hot?

I can understand the worldview difference from people who only post about Knick problems and Melo's bridgework. And I wholeheartedly would join in the whining and the crying if we had just spent the last 4 months watching a team floundering around in 4th or 5th in the division or even fighting for a scrap of a playoff berth.

But we haven't. That's all I'm saying.


I respect that. I thought you were assuming everyone was panicking like the season was lost and all that. To me, it just seems like a lot of posters are acknowledging that there are problems and are looking for a solution rather than giving up on the team. Then there are other posters...
Knicksfan: Hypocrite league that fines players after the game for flopping but in the game and with obvious flopping they call the fouls.
Uptown
Posts: 31325
Alba Posts: 3
Joined: 4/1/2008
Member: #1883
2/15/2013  10:33 AM
jrodmc wrote:Yes fish, some of us would rather wallow around in first place after spending years as the laughing stock of the league. It's much better to focus on the amount of somberized shit we'd be in if we were in another conference. Or whining endlessly about how our number of games ahead is just not enough for your overly manic depressive outlook on life. Or post after post of negative prognosticating about all the terror that will befall us IF WE ACTUALLY MAKE IT TO THE SECOND ROUND OF THE PLAYOFFS. Silly us; why can't we minion homer fable hero loving goobers just see the warm reality you and the sombers live in?

Fish, think about the past. Think about the second round of the playoffs. Try and see if there's any reason at all to be happy about typing "They will probably make it to the 2nd round" Notice you don't type "we". Let that sink in.

Seriously, what amount of happiness do you get out of pissing on your own charcoal, if the Knicks in first really even do represent your charcoal?

Would you be happier in third or fourth place and maybe fighting for an eight seed?

+1
Nalod
Posts: 71289
Alba Posts: 155
Joined: 12/24/2003
Member: #508
USA
2/15/2013  10:36 AM
TeamBall wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Yes fish, some of us would rather wallow around in first place after spending years as the laughing stock of the league. It's much better to focus on the amount of somberized shit we'd be in if we were in another conference. Or whining endlessly about how our number of games ahead is just not enough for your overly manic depressive outlook on life. Or post after post of negative prognosticating about all the terror that will befall us IF WE ACTUALLY MAKE IT TO THE SECOND ROUND OF THE PLAYOFFS. Silly us; why can't we minion homer fable hero loving goobers just see the warm reality you and the sombers live in?

Fish, think about the past. Think about the second round of the playoffs. Try and see if there's any reason at all to be happy about typing "They will probably make it to the 2nd round" Notice you don't type "we". Let that sink in.

Seriously, what amount of happiness do you get out of pissing on your own charcoal, if the Knicks in first really even do represent your charcoal?

Would you be happier in third or fourth place and maybe fighting for an eight seed?


jrod, the Knicks do have some serious problems. No ones knocking the Knicks for being 2nd seed (well, maybe some are). Personally, im just not liking what I have been seeing from them the last month or so.

Teamball, I've been quoted for months as saying the Knicks are a good very old team, liable to breakdown, hoping for some help from two of their best players who've been MIA for the most part of the season we've beheld so far.

But honestly, 5th place in the West? Only 5 losses away from being a 5th seed in the east? The glaciers are melting faster than usual? The ozone hole is growing? The sun's too hot?

I can understand the worldview difference from people who only post about Knick problems and Melo's bridgework. And I wholeheartedly would join in the whining and the crying if we had just spent the last 4 months watching a team floundering around in 4th or 5th in the division or even fighting for a scrap of a playoff berth.

But we haven't. That's all I'm saying.


I respect that. I thought you were assuming everyone was panicking like the season was lost and all that. To me, it just seems like a lot of posters are acknowledging that there are problems and are looking for a solution rather than giving up on the team. Then there are other posters...

I agree, the trend after a hot start has been mediocre. some posters love to say it will get better when everyone is healthy and had time on the court but the fact we were winning without Amare and with injuries makes it hard for some to be excited. Kidd really stepped up but he is cooked for now. Amare is playing better and better but its not adding up.

Fans can't really find ways to implore Woodson to do things "better" or suggest trades that would add chemistry any more than wearing your favorite jersey and chanting "DFence" helps.

The Large sample after a red hot start if continues has us sinking in the standing. How far is anyones guess.

When the team does not take care of business on the court then outside factors like other teams performance start to matter.

We beat Miami twice don't mean anything going forward unless we win the other games at a good clip and improve in some areas.

The record speaks for itself and in the last 20 or so games its telling a story some of us would rather not hear.
fishmike
Posts: 53863
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 7/19/2002
Member: #298
USA
2/15/2013  11:56 AM
jrodmc wrote:Yes fish, some of us would rather wallow around in first place after spending years as the laughing stock of the league. It's much better to focus on the amount of somberized shit we'd be in if we were in another conference. Or whining endlessly about how our number of games ahead is just not enough for your overly manic depressive outlook on life. Or post after post of negative prognosticating about all the terror that will befall us IF WE ACTUALLY MAKE IT TO THE SECOND ROUND OF THE PLAYOFFS. Silly us; why can't we minion homer fable hero loving goobers just see the warm reality you and the sombers live in?

Fish, think about the past. Think about the second round of the playoffs. Try and see if there's any reason at all to be happy about typing "They will probably make it to the 2nd round" Notice you don't type "we". Let that sink in.

Seriously, what amount of happiness do you get out of pissing on your own charcoal, if the Knicks in first really even do represent your charcoal?

Would you be happier in third or fourth place and maybe fighting for an eight seed?

If the team that was fighting was one of the youngest teams in the league, with cap space for max players, and future picks to build with then yes, because for me (and this is just one fan talking) the HOPE of winning a title is worth being patient for. Having been a Yankee season ticket holder for 15 years and watching them build a title yes.. the dark years are worth it. Watching the Giants do the same, yes... the dark years are worth it.

Nobody here is whining except you. Your Dolan's dream... Who needs Lin? We have tons of tradable assets to build the team! We can always trade Felton again right?

You simply cant accept someone who is as much a fan as you claim to be as simply calling it like they see it. And I see a team thats been .500 for two months, is built around a low % scorer who's teams that rely on that scoring fail every postseason, and a bunch of old guys with little to no gas left in the tank. I see a coach who 50 games into the season is starting 3 guard, a SF and a center and cant run an offense (but the last guy was an ass clown). I see the furthest thing from championship level defense (that was all supposed to be fixed with ass clown Damphony gone right?)

So go waive your happy this is great flag. Go celebrate first place this month, and pretend you havent seen the schedule in March. Most of all go puke out your cute little phrases trying to sound clever about folks that arent afraid to call it like they see it.

The real fun will be when this team fails and you see all these posters blaming the haters or suggesting they are happy and where rooting for the Knicks to fail so they could say "see I was right!." Donkeefest 2013 in full swing.

Jrod your more fun when your hoping folks die of cancer or plane crashes. Yea, those were fun days. Stay classy

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
fishmike
Posts: 53863
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 7/19/2002
Member: #298
USA
2/15/2013  1:05 PM
Nalod wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Yes fish, some of us would rather wallow around in first place after spending years as the laughing stock of the league. It's much better to focus on the amount of somberized shit we'd be in if we were in another conference. Or whining endlessly about how our number of games ahead is just not enough for your overly manic depressive outlook on life. Or post after post of negative prognosticating about all the terror that will befall us IF WE ACTUALLY MAKE IT TO THE SECOND ROUND OF THE PLAYOFFS. Silly us; why can't we minion homer fable hero loving goobers just see the warm reality you and the sombers live in?

Fish, think about the past. Think about the second round of the playoffs. Try and see if there's any reason at all to be happy about typing "They will probably make it to the 2nd round" Notice you don't type "we". Let that sink in.

Seriously, what amount of happiness do you get out of pissing on your own charcoal, if the Knicks in first really even do represent your charcoal?

Would you be happier in third or fourth place and maybe fighting for an eight seed?


jrod, the Knicks do have some serious problems. No ones knocking the Knicks for being 2nd seed (well, maybe some are). Personally, im just not liking what I have been seeing from them the last month or so.

Teamball, I've been quoted for months as saying the Knicks are a good very old team, liable to breakdown, hoping for some help from two of their best players who've been MIA for the most part of the season we've beheld so far.

But honestly, 5th place in the West? Only 5 losses away from being a 5th seed in the east? The glaciers are melting faster than usual? The ozone hole is growing? The sun's too hot?

I can understand the worldview difference from people who only post about Knick problems and Melo's bridgework. And I wholeheartedly would join in the whining and the crying if we had just spent the last 4 months watching a team floundering around in 4th or 5th in the division or even fighting for a scrap of a playoff berth.

But we haven't. That's all I'm saying.


I respect that. I thought you were assuming everyone was panicking like the season was lost and all that. To me, it just seems like a lot of posters are acknowledging that there are problems and are looking for a solution rather than giving up on the team. Then there are other posters...

I agree, the trend after a hot start has been mediocre. some posters love to say it will get better when everyone is healthy and had time on the court but the fact we were winning without Amare and with injuries makes it hard for some to be excited. Kidd really stepped up but he is cooked for now. Amare is playing better and better but its not adding up.

Fans can't really find ways to implore Woodson to do things "better" or suggest trades that would add chemistry any more than wearing your favorite jersey and chanting "DFence" helps.

The Large sample after a red hot start if continues has us sinking in the standing. How far is anyones guess.

When the team does not take care of business on the court then outside factors like other teams performance start to matter.

We beat Miami twice don't mean anything going forward unless we win the other games at a good clip and improve in some areas.

The record speaks for itself and in the last 20 or so games its telling a story some of us would rather not hear.

yea.. really not hard to get is it? But your some kind of a-hole if you havent properly demonstrated and documented how incredibly joyfull this season has been after all the losing and after the losing seasons how dare you suggest your entitled to anything more? HATER! SOMBERITE! Begone Nalod with your antil Melo agendas
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
Page 3 of 4 ‹ Previous 1  2  3  4 Next ›
« Reply To Topic
Losing is acceptable to the Knicks
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy