blkexec wrote:This team has flaws...just like every NBA team. Our main flaw is not SG, old age, etc....It's dumb azz Knick fans that always find something to complain about. Top team in the East, undefeated at home. Best team any Knick fan has ever seen or heard since the 70's. The thing this thread is good for, is to invite other fans to spread their negative cancer.

Regardless of this team blowing out Miami twice by 20, winning tough games while shooting under 40%....we continue to create negative threads like this? What do you want, Dantoni back? Unbelievable.....

I guess most people can't function throughout the day, without hating something.....

Why is having flaw negative? Our SG position is fair but could certainly be looked at as a weak spot of a good team. Instead of having Ray Felton and JR Smith shoot too much--why not try out James White at SG for 10-15 minutes to break things up? When we played Chicago who was our best + and - player? James White. We have been able to get by with low TO's but at some point if we let these guys continue to shoot 9-30 it will bite us. My take is break the minutes up and add White play JR less and demand a little more efficiency from him. Felton is also carrying too much load with FGA's.

NYKMentality wrote:

blkexec wrote:This team has flaws...just like every NBA team. Our main flaw is not SG, old age, etc....It's dumb azz Knick fans that always find something to complain about. Top team in the East, undefeated at home. Best team any Knick fan has ever seen or heard since the 70's.

I understand where you're coming from, but I'll disagree in regards to your remark about the best Knicks team since the 70's. This is our best Knicks team since 1993-1994. Key word being 'since'. Only time will tell if this current Knicks team becomes better. We'll have to advantage to the NBA Finals and judge from there.

I grew up loving our Knicks of the early through mid 90's under coach Riley, and our Knicks team of 1993-1994 was top of the line. Nothing but heart and fight. Our Knicks of 93-94 also started off the season 15-5. Ended up losing to Hakeem and the Rockets during game 7 of the NBA Finals. We had those guys dead to rights up three games to two. Still don't even like talking about it.

But yea, 1993-1994 was the year where Jordan was out, and our Ewing led Knicks ran through NJ 3-1 during the first round of the playoffs, finally eliminated Chicago during game 7 of the Eastern Conference Semifinals, before eliminating Reggie Miller's Indiana Pacers during another game 7 of the Eastern Conference Finals. Team had so much heart and fight along with no quit. In regards to finally beating the Bulls, that was impressive (even without Jordan). B.J Armstrong, Steve Kerr, Toni Kukoc, Horace Grant, Bill Cartwright and Luc Longley being led by Scottie Pippen. Those guys were deep.

C: Patrick Ewing / Tyson Chandler.
PF: Charles Oakley / Carmelo Anthony.
SF: Charles Smith / Ronnie Brewer.
2G: John Starks / Jason Kidd.
PG: Derek Harper / Raymond Felton.

Bench: Anthony Mason, Greg Anthony, Hubert Davis, Anthony Bonner, Herb Williams and Doc Rivers.
Bench: J.R Smith, Steve Novak, Rasheed Wallace, Pablo Prigioni and Kurt Thomas.

That 93-94 team was so deep with talent, veteran leadership ability along with overall depth. In my eyes, we were the better team when compared to Hakeem's Rockets. I truthfully believe two 7 game series against heated rivals of the Bulls and Pacers did us in. By the time a 3rd game 7 during the finals came around, we just ran out of gas.

Heading into the season I actually compared our current Knicks of 2012-2013 to those Knicks of 1993-1994 as potentially being our greatest Knicks team since the 1993-1994 season. That we've proven to be although we'll have to wait and see how the season plays out before we rank this current Knicks team ahead of those guys. Both teams had/have that franchise leader and/or NBA star in Ewing/Melo. Both teams were/are loaded with very smart PG's in Harper, Anthony, Davis and Rivers vs Felton, Kidd and Pablo. Both had/have four very strong supporting role players in Harper, Starks, Oakley and Mason vs Felton, Kidd, J.R and Tyson Chandler. Mason was a true contender for 6th man of the year as is J.R Smith as of right now. Both teams D up to the max as well.

With all that said once we replace the likes of Chris Copeland and James While with Iman Shumpert, Amar'e Stoudemire and Marcus Camby, I believe the sky then becomes the limit for this 2012-2013 Knicks team.

I picked Knicks to win 50 games. They are on pace to win over 60 because Felton and JR are having career years. JR remains the perfect bench player.

fishmike wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

blkexec wrote:This team has flaws...just like every NBA team. Our main flaw is not SG, old age, etc....It's dumb azz Knick fans that always find something to complain about. Top team in the East, undefeated at home. Best team any Knick fan has ever seen or heard since the 70's.

I understand where you're coming from, but I'll disagree in regards to your remark about the best Knicks team since the 70's. This is our best Knicks team since 1993-1994. Key word being 'since'. Only time will tell if this current Knicks team becomes better. We'll have to advantage to the NBA Finals and judge from there.

I grew up loving our Knicks of the early through mid 90's under coach Riley, and our Knicks team of 1993-1994 was top of the line. Nothing but heart and fight. Our Knicks of 93-94 also started off the season 15-5. Ended up losing to Hakeem and the Rockets during game 7 of the NBA Finals. We had those guys dead to rights up three games to two. Still don't even like talking about it.

But yea, 1993-1994 was the year where Jordan was out, and our Ewing led Knicks ran through NJ 3-1 during the first round of the playoffs, finally eliminated Chicago during game 7 of the Eastern Conference Semifinals, before eliminating Reggie Miller's Indiana Pacers during another game 7 of the Eastern Conference Finals. Team had so much heart and fight along with no quit. In regards to finally beating the Bulls, that was impressive (even without Jordan). B.J Armstrong, Steve Kerr, Toni Kukoc, Horace Grant, Bill Cartwright and Luc Longley being led by Scottie Pippen. Those guys were deep.

C: Patrick Ewing / Tyson Chandler.
PF: Charles Oakley / Carmelo Anthony.
SF: Charles Smith / Ronnie Brewer.
2G: John Starks / Jason Kidd.
PG: Derek Harper / Raymond Felton.

Bench: Anthony Mason, Greg Anthony, Hubert Davis, Anthony Bonner, Herb Williams and Doc Rivers.
Bench: J.R Smith, Steve Novak, Rasheed Wallace, Pablo Prigioni and Kurt Thomas.

That 93-94 team was so deep with talent, veteran leadership ability along with overall depth. In my eyes, we were the better team when compared to Hakeem's Rockets. I truthfully believe two 7 game series against heated rivals of the Bulls and Pacers did us in. By the time a 3rd game 7 during the finals came around, we just ran out of gas.

Heading into the season I actually compared our current Knicks of 2012-2013 to those Knicks of 1993-1994 as potentially being our greatest Knicks team since the 1993-1994 season. That we've proven to be although we'll have to wait and see how the season plays out before we rank this current Knicks team ahead of those guys. Both teams had/have that franchise leader and/or NBA star in Ewing/Melo. Both teams were/are loaded with very smart PG's in Harper, Anthony, Davis and Rivers vs Felton, Kidd and Pablo. Both had/have four very strong supporting role players in Harper, Starks, Oakley and Mason vs Felton, Kidd, J.R and Tyson Chandler. Mason was a true contender for 6th man of the year as is J.R Smith as of right now. Both teams D up to the max as well.

With all that said once we replace the likes of Chris Copeland and James While with Iman Shumpert, Amar'e Stoudemire and Marcus Camby, I believe the sky then becomes the limit for this 2012-2013 Knicks team.

please. If Rose comes back and Knicks lose in round one is it still the best team? The test is this spring, not this Christmas. But keep bludgeoning anyone who may think otherwise. Maybe that will make it true?

I picked Knicks to win 50 games. They are on pace to win over 60 because Felton and JR are having career years. JR remains the perfect bench player.

JR sucks.

Felton is as frustrating/up and down point guard as there is in the league.

Many nights (like last night), we won despite of them.

BRIGGS wrote:

blkexec wrote:This team has flaws...just like every NBA team. Our main flaw is not SG, old age, etc....It's dumb azz Knick fans that always find something to complain about. Top team in the East, undefeated at home. Best team any Knick fan has ever seen or heard since the 70's. The thing this thread is good for, is to invite other fans to spread their negative cancer.

Regardless of this team blowing out Miami twice by 20, winning tough games while shooting under 40%....we continue to create negative threads like this? What do you want, Dantoni back? Unbelievable.....

I guess most people can't function throughout the day, without hating something.....

Why is having flaw negative? Our SG position is fair but could certainly be looked at as a weak spot of a good team. Instead of having Ray Felton and JR Smith shoot too much--why not try out James White at SG for 10-15 minutes to break things up? When we played Chicago who was our best + and - player? James White. We have been able to get by with low TO's but at some point if we let these guys continue to shoot 9-30 it will bite us. My take is break the minutes up and add White play JR less and demand a little more efficiency from him. Felton is also carrying too much load with FGA's.

I wasn't trying to attack you personally, but rather the majority of fans that always want to nick pick at every negative and forget about the positives. I think brewer is the perfect type of SG (at a low price) FOR THIS TEAM. SG and SF are where most of the superstars play, and Brewer plays both. Brewer may be lacking offense, but he makes up for it with defense, hustle, rebounding, etc. If we look for a SG who can actually shoot, but can bring the defense and team play of Brewer....We are paying for another max player.

Since we are paying so much for our front court players, Brewer and White....with Kidd at the 2 guard.....Plus Shump coming back from injury. For the minimum amount of money we are spending at that position, you can't ask for better players. Anybody else, will mostlikely come with an ego problem, more money, bad chemistry.

Chemistry is key to any championship....We not playing PS3, where every position on the floor have to do the same thing.

I agree with you, more James White and less JR is a plus. But keep in mind, Woodson needs to have a happy JR, because when he's motivated, he's a difference maker. He's already unhappy about coming off the bench, so Woodson has to reward him with playing time. This is the balance act coaches have to go through. Just wait until Shump and Stat comes back. You will not see White or Copeland anymore.

Sometimes you have to take a few nights of 9-30.... Especially when they are bringing it on defense with energy and hustle. Versus....having a SG with a stroke like Alan Houston, but no defensive presence. For this team makeup, Kidd, Brewer and Shump are the type of SG that works for us. Hard to complain when your the top team in the East.

RoyBatty wrote:Small flaws

a) Felton - he's throwing that teardrop/floater too high; makes it too random. he should see how DRose does it where the arc is slightly flatter (but then again DRose gets a foot or more through elevation and hight). And there is a kickout alternative if the PnR drive doesn't work.
b) JR - catch and shoot, please
c) Novak - you're 6'9" don't rush the shot; it would take extremely long hands to block it.
d) Tyson - learn to do at least one dribble; could do wonders to extend your range. or jump hook with glass.

I'd have to say though, this has made me appreciate more and more how good Kidd really is

JR is back to his partying again.
Tyson is an old dog now....Not sure if you will see any improvements from him. A little dribble move would do him wonders.
Novak is allergic to 2 pter's....As a 3 point threat, he can really expand his game more. He must have the smallest shoulders in the league.
Felton is aggressive, and I don't think he minds missing those floaters. He knows Tyson is there for cleanup duties.

blkexec wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:They are a dying breed in this league. They seem to have been replaced by combo guards and scoring point guards. Most teams seem to put in a defensive SG- we're not much different from most teams in the league. It's a shame- I used to like watching guys like Allan Houston shooting away.

I've been saying this for for the last couple of years, there's very few pure sg in the league to begin with..

It's either your a guard or a fwd, as a matter of fact, your starting to see less and less one demensional players..You get a few guys who either are very good defensive players, rebounders, or scorers..

I've said this along time ago.....Two positions in the NBA will become extinct.

PG and CENTER

Just ask Howard how he feels about the Center position being eliminated from the All Star voting.

We are heading towards a league of two positions.....Guards and Fowards.

You have Guards that post up and Fowards that shoot threes! Having multiple skills is now the norm. Being a specialist like Novak is actually rare. Thats a signicant shift from old school basketball. Whether you like it or not, it's the present and future of the NBA.

SG's come a dime a dozen....Thats why we got JR and Brewer for so cheap. You get what you pay for!!!!!