cooch2584 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Sorry to grab my own post from the SSOL thread, but some of these posters need to be edjumacated:

Nellie ball is an unconventional offensive strategy in basketball developed by NBA head coach Don Nelson. It is a fast-paced run-and-gun offense relying on smaller, more athletic players who can create mismatches by outrunning their opponents. A true center is usually not needed to run this type of offense. A large volume of three-point attempts is generally a staple of Nellie Ball as well.[1] This offense is most effective against teams that do not have the athleticism or shooting ability to keep up with the fast pace.

Sorry, D'Antoni is not some innovative offensive mastermind...he blatantly stole from others as well.

You really don't know what you're talking about. Over the course of the NBA history fast paced BB has been used many times, but what you aren't paying attention to is that there is a difference between what most Run n Gun offenses did and what MDA is doing. If you really knew BB as much as you think you'd know the differences. If you want to get into a very specific BB debate i'm more than happy to get into it, but the level of efficiency MDA's offenses displayed is no accident. It's not wild run n gun.

nix, you shot down Chuck because he mentioned Nellie and then you talk about bb history? Why not shoot me down because I mentioned Woodys offense is predicated around Red Holtzmans offense HIT THE OPEN MAN.Maybe you should brush up on YOUR bb history nix. Oh and mdas offenses arent wild run and gun?? Have you watched the past yrs of mda??

nix why did you ignore this post?Maybe because it makes sense and we know you dont like to make sense.

cooch2584 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Sorry to grab my own post from the SSOL thread, but some of these posters need to be edjumacated:

Nellie ball is an unconventional offensive strategy in basketball developed by NBA head coach Don Nelson. It is a fast-paced run-and-gun offense relying on smaller, more athletic players who can create mismatches by outrunning their opponents. A true center is usually not needed to run this type of offense. A large volume of three-point attempts is generally a staple of Nellie Ball as well.[1] This offense is most effective against teams that do not have the athleticism or shooting ability to keep up with the fast pace.

Sorry, D'Antoni is not some innovative offensive mastermind...he blatantly stole from others as well.

You really don't know what you're talking about. Over the course of the NBA history fast paced BB has been used many times, but what you aren't paying attention to is that there is a difference between what most Run n Gun offenses did and what MDA is doing. If you really knew BB as much as you think you'd know the differences. If you want to get into a very specific BB debate i'm more than happy to get into it, but the level of efficiency MDA's offenses displayed is no accident. It's not wild run n gun.

nix, you shot down Chuck because he mentioned Nellie and then you talk about bb history? Why not shoot me down because I mentioned Woodys offense is predicated around Red Holtzmans offense HIT THE OPEN MAN.Maybe you should brush up on YOUR bb history nix. Oh and mdas offenses arent wild run and gun?? Have you watched the past yrs of mda??

2010-11 42-40 - Offensive Efficiency Rank #7 - Def #22 (Felton/Billups)
2009-10 29-53 - Offensive Efficiency Rank #17- Def #27 (Duhon)
2008-09 32-50 - Offensive Efficiency Rank #17- Def #23 (Duhon)
2007-08 55-27 - Offensive Efficiency Rank #2 - Def #16 (Nash)
2006-07 61-21 - Offensive Efficiency Rank #1 - Def #13 (Nash)
2005-06 54-28 - Offensive Efficiency Rank #2 - Def #16 (Nash)
2004-05 62-20 - Offensive Efficiency Rank #1 - Def #17 (Nash)

Nellie ball is not SSOL and SSOL is not the Princeton offense or the Triangle. The points of emphasis are different.

Nalod wrote:Woodson played for Red for one season.

Nobody loves Red Holzman more than Nalod but lets keep the fable to a minimum.

This i agree with. Its like saying Melo is from Brooklyn

Knight and Brown have been much bigger influences on Woodson and he will tell you that

cooch2584 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Woodson played for Red for one season.

Nobody loves Red Holzman more than Nalod but lets keep the fable to a minimum.

So let me understand this,if Woody played for RED one season and Woody,as a player saw that hit the open man worked,somewhere in the back of his mind he doesnt remember that concept? I DONT THINK SO,every players as they mature remember coaches and their plays and nuances. When I coached kids bball,I still remember what was taught to me as a 8 or 9 yr old ballplayer and passed it to my players.

Thats nice. Red had a nice 50 year win that year and was dealing with a different bunch of players than the golden age.

Don't get me wrong, Im not saying he was not an influence. THe propoganda machine puts those two together. Mike was well coached in college and his rookie year. SOme said Red had kind of lost his edge and did not relate to the younger player in his second stint. MIke had been an asstant for a long time under 3 coaches for long periods of time. I dig "hit the open man".

cooch2584 wrote:Also, who were the coaches that knight and brown looked up to? Just asking.

Brown was quite fond of Dean Smith. Knight im not quite sure of. I think he looked up to himself.?

cooch2584 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Woodson played for Red for one season.

Nobody loves Red Holzman more than Nalod but lets keep the fable to a minimum.

So let me understand this,if Woody played for RED one season and Woody,as a player saw that hit the open man worked,somewhere in the back of his mind he doesnt remember that concept? I DONT THINK SO,every players as they mature remember coaches and their plays and nuances. When I coached kids bball,I still remember what was taught to me as a 8 or 9 yr old ballplayer and passed it to my players.

Thats nice. Red had a nice 50 year win that year and was dealing with a different bunch of players than the golden age.

Don't get me wrong, Im not saying he was not an influence. THe propoganda machine puts those two together. Mike was well coached in college and his rookie year. SOme said Red had kind of lost his edge and did not relate to the younger player in his second stint. MIke had been an asstant for a long time under 3 coaches for long periods of time. I dig "hit the open man".

With this response, I realize nalod and sybil are the same person. Too bad they cant get their act together,theyd be one hell of a poster.

Woody hasn't just sat idly by and went out there winging it. He put a TON of thought into what he wanted to do with this team this year. Part of what he planned has been on hold due to the Amar'e injury, but even with Amar'e he still planned on using him in some of his traditional role in plays MDA used to run. The difference is that there will be some post play involved to keep teams from being able to just sit on what we do. That is all Woody. He has come up with something that fits his team the best. That's what a good coach does.

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:Look Woody is better than MDA in terms of relating to and motivating his players. He's shown his dedication to his job and been highly effective in getting his team to maintain it's intensity. That's what this thread is really about. Let's not forget that Woody spent months behind MDA watching what was going on and he also had some time to coach the team himself and see what worked and what didn't. In the end Woody himself chose to KEEP some of MDA's stuff and tweak it to his liking. There was a legit fear that Woody would completely move away from MDA's stuff, but in truth he's had to rely on it more than anyone anticipated.

Woody hasn't just sat idly by and went out there winging it. He put a TON of thought into what he wanted to do with this team this year. Part of what he planned has been on hold due to the Amar'e injury, but even with Amar'e he still planned on using him in some of his traditional role in plays MDA used to run. The difference is that there will be some post play involved to keep teams from being able to just sit on what we do. That is all Woody. He has come up with something that fits his team the best. That's what a good coach does.

Woodson was with D'Ant for 42 games. Half a regular season.

MDA was a great Mentor for Woody...He taught Woodson what not to do. That lesson is invaluable and we thank him. We now have the blueprint on what to avoid as a team to win a Chip.

FoeDiddy wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:Look Woody is better than MDA in terms of relating to and motivating his players. He's shown his dedication to his job and been highly effective in getting his team to maintain it's intensity. That's what this thread is really about. Let's not forget that Woody spent months behind MDA watching what was going on and he also had some time to coach the team himself and see what worked and what didn't. In the end Woody himself chose to KEEP some of MDA's stuff and tweak it to his liking. There was a legit fear that Woody would completely move away from MDA's stuff, but in truth he's had to rely on it more than anyone anticipated.

Woody hasn't just sat idly by and went out there winging it. He put a TON of thought into what he wanted to do with this team this year. Part of what he planned has been on hold due to the Amar'e injury, but even with Amar'e he still planned on using him in some of his traditional role in plays MDA used to run. The difference is that there will be some post play involved to keep teams from being able to just sit on what we do. That is all Woody. He has come up with something that fits his team the best. That's what a good coach does.

Woodson was with D'Ant for 42 games. Half a regular season.

MDA was a great Mentor for Woody...He taught Woodson what not to do. That lesson is invaluable and we thank him. We now have the blueprint on what to avoid as a team to win a Chip.

Foe,I know you meant that in green font.