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A much older dead horse: Good ol' David Lee
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ChuckBuck
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11/30/2012  4:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/30/2012  4:23 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Lee's teams always suck.


Sorry this is poor reasoning when comparing players as you could start handicapping at different levels of team success.

This is nothing new. Lee's always put up good numbers on bad teams.


Okay so Kevin Love is like the 6th or 7th best power forward in the NBA then

Kevin Love put up a 30 pt 30 rebound game, I think against us. I don't think Lee has ever sniffed that.

Doesn't change the fact that Lee's skills compliment these Knicks better and he is healthy unlike Amare

Not really, he doesn't play defense.

I did like David Lee as a Knick, as he was one of the few bright spots of the Mike D'Antoni era, but his teams have never won or finished above .500. It's only now in GS, that they are showing some signs of life.

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11/30/2012  4:25 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/30/2012  4:29 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Lee's teams always suck.


Sorry this is poor reasoning when comparing players as you could start handicapping at different levels of team success.

This is nothing new. Lee's always put up good numbers on bad teams.


Okay so Kevin Love is like the 6th or 7th best power forward in the NBA then

Kevin Love put up a 30 pt 30 rebound game, I think against us. I don't think Lee has ever sniffed that.

What was Sota's record that season? What has been Sota's winning % since drafting Love? How many times have the Wolves been in the lottery since drafting Love?


So 1 game sums up a position for 1 player meanwhile several games of well above average stats stamps a player down....


What Chocolate Factory did you come from?


Bizarro world of logic


For the record here is a frightening stat for you to look at....


Did you black out David Lee's 37/20/10 performance

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11/30/2012  4:26 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Lee's teams always suck.


Sorry this is poor reasoning when comparing players as you could start handicapping at different levels of team success.

This is nothing new. Lee's always put up good numbers on bad teams.


Okay so Kevin Love is like the 6th or 7th best power forward in the NBA then

Kevin Love put up a 30 pt 30 rebound game, I think against us. I don't think Lee has ever sniffed that.

Doesn't change the fact that Lee's skills compliment these Knicks better and he is healthy unlike Amare

Not really, he doesn't play defense.

Amar'e plays defense?

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11/30/2012  4:27 PM
Does Amare play defense? Does Amare ever play?

Lee needs to play alongside a center who defends. Someone like ummm Tyson Chandler


Lee doesn't defend enough, Woodson brings him in off the bench.

Amare gets injured again we get knocked out in the 1st round again playing Meloball

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11/30/2012  4:36 PM
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Lee's teams always suck.


Sorry this is poor reasoning when comparing players as you could start handicapping at different levels of team success.

This is nothing new. Lee's always put up good numbers on bad teams.


Okay so Kevin Love is like the 6th or 7th best power forward in the NBA then

Kevin Love put up a 30 pt 30 rebound game, I think against us. I don't think Lee has ever sniffed that.

What was Sota's record that season? What has been Sota's winning % since drafting Love? How many times have the Wolves been in the lottery since drafting Love?


So 1 game sums up a position for 1 player meanwhile several games of well above average stats stamps a player down....


What Chocolate Factory did you come from?


Bizarro world of logic


For the record here is a frightening stat for you to look at....


Did you black out David Lee's 37/20/10 performance

30 pt 30 rebounds games are exclusive company. Lee's had some nice games in his career. He's clearly not in Kevin Love's stratosphere though.

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11/30/2012  4:38 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Does Amare play defense? Does Amare ever play?

Lee needs to play alongside a center who defends. Someone like ummm Tyson Chandler


Lee doesn't defend enough, Woodson brings him in off the bench.

Amare gets injured again we get knocked out in the 1st round again playing Meloball

As fragile as Amare is, when healthy, he's still a more impactful player than Lee.

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11/30/2012  4:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/30/2012  4:47 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Lee's teams always suck.


Sorry this is poor reasoning when comparing players as you could start handicapping at different levels of team success.

This is nothing new. Lee's always put up good numbers on bad teams.


Okay so Kevin Love is like the 6th or 7th best power forward in the NBA then

Kevin Love put up a 30 pt 30 rebound game, I think against us. I don't think Lee has ever sniffed that.

What was Sota's record that season? What has been Sota's winning % since drafting Love? How many times have the Wolves been in the lottery since drafting Love?


So 1 game sums up a position for 1 player meanwhile several games of well above average stats stamps a player down....


What Chocolate Factory did you come from?


Bizarro world of logic


For the record here is a frightening stat for you to look at....


Did you black out David Lee's 37/20/10 performance

30 pt 30 rebounds games are exclusive company. Lee's had some nice games in his career. He's clearly not in Kevin Love's stratosphere though.

So is Lee it was the first 30/20/10 since Kareem Abdul Jabbar 1976.... have you heard of him? Lee has shortcomings we all know this as does Amar'e


So your arguments are conditional and switch based on who we're comparing a player against


Well keep this in mind when voters cast their ballots for MVP at season's end

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11/30/2012  4:47 PM
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Lee's teams always suck.


Sorry this is poor reasoning when comparing players as you could start handicapping at different levels of team success.

This is nothing new. Lee's always put up good numbers on bad teams.


Okay so Kevin Love is like the 6th or 7th best power forward in the NBA then

Kevin Love put up a 30 pt 30 rebound game, I think against us. I don't think Lee has ever sniffed that.

What was Sota's record that season? What has been Sota's winning % since drafting Love? How many times have the Wolves been in the lottery since drafting Love?


So 1 game sums up a position for 1 player meanwhile several games of well above average stats stamps a player down....


What Chocolate Factory did you come from?


Bizarro world of logic


For the record here is a frightening stat for you to look at....


Did you black out David Lee's 37/20/10 performance

30 pt 30 rebounds games are exclusive company. Lee's had some nice games in his career. He's clearly not in Kevin Love's stratosphere though.

So is Lee it was first 30/20/10 since Kareem Abdul Jabbar 1976.... have you heard of him?


So your arguments are conditional and switch based on who we're comparing a player against.


Well keep this in mind when voters cast their ballots for MVP at season's end

Are you seriously trying to compare David Lee to Kevin Love? We're not really debating this are we?

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11/30/2012  4:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/30/2012  4:52 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Lee's teams always suck.


Sorry this is poor reasoning when comparing players as you could start handicapping at different levels of team success.

This is nothing new. Lee's always put up good numbers on bad teams.


Okay so Kevin Love is like the 6th or 7th best power forward in the NBA then

Kevin Love put up a 30 pt 30 rebound game, I think against us. I don't think Lee has ever sniffed that.

What was Sota's record that season? What has been Sota's winning % since drafting Love? How many times have the Wolves been in the lottery since drafting Love?


So 1 game sums up a position for 1 player meanwhile several games of well above average stats stamps a player down....


What Chocolate Factory did you come from?


Bizarro world of logic


For the record here is a frightening stat for you to look at....


Did you black out David Lee's 37/20/10 performance

30 pt 30 rebounds games are exclusive company. Lee's had some nice games in his career. He's clearly not in Kevin Love's stratosphere though.

So is Lee it was first 30/20/10 since Kareem Abdul Jabbar 1976.... have you heard of him?


So your arguments are conditional and switch based on who we're comparing a player against.


Well keep this in mind when voters cast their ballots for MVP at season's end

Are you seriously trying to compare David Lee to Kevin Love? We're not really debating this are we?


We're not but when you make statements like....


"Lee's teams always suck"


as the reason this separates he and Amar'e then you can't turn around and say Kevin Love is worlds better than Lee based on stats


Your arguments are what you say they are.....QUOTIFIED

ChuckBuck
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11/30/2012  5:22 PM
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
3G4G wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Lee's teams always suck.


Sorry this is poor reasoning when comparing players as you could start handicapping at different levels of team success.

This is nothing new. Lee's always put up good numbers on bad teams.


Okay so Kevin Love is like the 6th or 7th best power forward in the NBA then

Kevin Love put up a 30 pt 30 rebound game, I think against us. I don't think Lee has ever sniffed that.

What was Sota's record that season? What has been Sota's winning % since drafting Love? How many times have the Wolves been in the lottery since drafting Love?


So 1 game sums up a position for 1 player meanwhile several games of well above average stats stamps a player down....


What Chocolate Factory did you come from?


Bizarro world of logic


For the record here is a frightening stat for you to look at....


Did you black out David Lee's 37/20/10 performance

30 pt 30 rebounds games are exclusive company. Lee's had some nice games in his career. He's clearly not in Kevin Love's stratosphere though.

So is Lee it was first 30/20/10 since Kareem Abdul Jabbar 1976.... have you heard of him?


So your arguments are conditional and switch based on who we're comparing a player against.


Well keep this in mind when voters cast their ballots for MVP at season's end

Are you seriously trying to compare David Lee to Kevin Love? We're not really debating this are we?


We're not but when you make statements like....


"Lee's teams always suck"


as the reason this separates he and Amar'e then you can't turn around and say Kevin Love is worlds better than Lee based on stats


Your arguments are what you say they are.....QUOTIFIED

The first 7 seasons of David Lee's career, his team ended with a below .500 record.

This season, 15 games in, he's finally over .500.

Lee's a very nice player. I don't think he's led the league in rebounding like Kevin Love has.

Love is 1st Tier, maybe the best Power Forward in the league currently.

Lee's maybe 3rd or 4th Tier. Not an impactful player. Put's up double doubles. Nothing wrong with that, just not in Love's company obviously.

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11/30/2012  5:26 PM
so the Knicks losing was on Lee and not Isiah is what you are saying? Under Walsh the Knicks were cleaning up Isiah's mess
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11/30/2012  5:33 PM
Lee will score for you, you just have to have someone to cover for him on D, and we have that in Tyson. If you're asking me Amar'e and Tyson or Lee and Tyson, it's Lee and Tyson all day.

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11/30/2012  5:52 PM
I've always liked Lee and was dissapointed to see him go. He was the lone bright spot for quite some time and I was not a fan of the Amare signing at the time.

Personally I think Lee would be a perfect fit on this team. He rebounds, has a decent handle, can knock down an open 15 footer and hits a high percentage. Other than his weakness on D Lee is a very solid player.

However, a healthy STAT is a better player. Regardless, I'm still a Lee fan and still follow what he's doing.

Maybe we'll resign him when his knees are shot at 37.

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11/30/2012  6:36 PM
What makes Amares tough? Because he dunks on people of gets a weak side block? Amares is one of tger worst defenders I have ever seen.

We actually should have signed him when Walsh was clearing space at 7-8MM but waited and could have grabbed him for 10 had we locked him up. Lee is an elite rebounder and accomplished scorer. He hasn't played with talent that ever warrants a double. I think he is just as impactful as any big man we have on this team.

Tyson only scores on wide open put backs and rarely scores the ball. He's an elite help defender, but below average rebounder/shotblocker.

And Lee would be a much better fit than Amare. Also take into account the 3.4 assists you get and which combined with 15 points makes him and elite player at his position.

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12/3/2012  8:20 AM
MS wrote:What makes Amares tough? Because he dunks on people of gets a weak side block? Amares is one of tger worst defenders I have ever seen.

And what makes a PF elite? Answer: 3.4 dimes and the ability to never be in-frame for a posterization.

Seriously, what purple skied-world do you live in that has D-less Lee living long in Woodsonville?

Practice scene, alternate universe, take 1:

"Ummmmmmmm David, I know you're very afraid of possibly drawing a hard charge or fouling out before OT, but work with me here..."

"Lee, do you or your family have any clips of yourself in the defensive paint at Florida State?"


I cannot believe this thread still exists.
Coming soon to a thread near you: 14 pages on why giving up on Anthony Randolph was the mistake of the decade.
To be followed by: Sabermetrics that prove we'd be 16-0 with Eddie Curry instead of Tyson.


I suppose I should at least be thankful the Melo hate threads are being locked almost instantaneously now...

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12/3/2012  9:13 AM
David Lee would be great on the knicks.
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12/3/2012  9:16 AM
Anji wrote:David Lee would be great on the knicks.

Hahahaha, he really would. I don't think GSW does it but I think Lakers might do it, so I think I'm wrong about Lakers doing it.

Amar'e Lee straight up can't go down right now because Lee is putting up something like 17/11/4 with a steal.

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A much older dead horse: Good ol' David Lee

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