IrishKnickFan wrote:

fishmike wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

TheloniusMonk wrote:Is Paul Peirce first tier or second tier? Durant? Niether is a great defender and have many other flaws.

They have both been to the finals. Look Im a melo supporter but he still has to prove that he can get lead a team past the first round again

Melo was in the finals?

you look at PPs career... good numbers, lots of wins. His niche was carved when the team around him improved and he fell more into his role, which was finishing and team basketball. Hopefully thats what we are seeing now with Melo. This is easily the best team he's ever been on. I wouldnt have said that start of the season but a few things have really broken our way. Felton's in shape, motivated and playing his best ball. JR grew up. Kidd has a lot left after all. Brewer has been a Battier type role player. None of those things suprise me, but having ALL happen is unexpected and awesome.

Whats the knock on Melo? Poor playoff performer, sporatic defender not a leader. So we filled the roster with guys who know how to win in the postseason, tough defenders and locker room leaders. Grunwald as put Melo in the best spot to succeed and Melo has been great, and the team has been great. Great job all around. They all deserve due credit, Melo included. Why thats not enough and people need to constantly make Melo into something he isnt or shove his epic greatness down peoples throats is totally beyond me.

I said Pierce and Durant were. Try and keep up lol

It's crazy when people compare Melo to Paul Pierce and say how much better Pierce is, how many championships and Finals appearances did Pierce win before Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen got there? How much defense did he play before Doc Rivers made it a priority when the big 3 were assembled? And how bad were the Celtics before the big 3 were put together? Pierce made the playoffs 4 out of his first 9 seasons before Garnett and Ray Allen Melo has made it every single year and his teams have had very good records but Paul Pierce is a "winner" lmao,

Mray20 wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

fishmike wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

TheloniusMonk wrote:Is Paul Peirce first tier or second tier? Durant? Niether is a great defender and have many other flaws.

They have both been to the finals. Look Im a melo supporter but he still has to prove that he can get lead a team past the first round again

Melo was in the finals?

you look at PPs career... good numbers, lots of wins. His niche was carved when the team around him improved and he fell more into his role, which was finishing and team basketball. Hopefully thats what we are seeing now with Melo. This is easily the best team he's ever been on. I wouldnt have said that start of the season but a few things have really broken our way. Felton's in shape, motivated and playing his best ball. JR grew up. Kidd has a lot left after all. Brewer has been a Battier type role player. None of those things suprise me, but having ALL happen is unexpected and awesome.

Whats the knock on Melo? Poor playoff performer, sporatic defender not a leader. So we filled the roster with guys who know how to win in the postseason, tough defenders and locker room leaders. Grunwald as put Melo in the best spot to succeed and Melo has been great, and the team has been great. Great job all around. They all deserve due credit, Melo included. Why thats not enough and people need to constantly make Melo into something he isnt or shove his epic greatness down peoples throats is totally beyond me.

I said Pierce and Durant were. Try and keep up lol

It's crazy when people compare Melo to Paul Pierce and say how much better Pierce is, how many championships and Finals appearances did Pierce win before Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen got there? How much defense did he play before Doc Rivers made it a priority when the big 3 were assembled? And how bad were the Celtics before the big 3 were put together? Pierce made the playoffs 4 out of his first 9 seasons before Garnett and Ray Allen Melo has made it every single year and his teams have had very good records but Paul Pierce is a "winner" lmao,

For a while it was looking like Melobury but he has really stepped it up and made this team his. Respect.

Mray20 wrote:Many on this board have said Pierce is better

Not True. People here understand that Pierce was seen in the same light as Melo before KG, Allen and Rondo joined him. Melo on the Celtics would be just as lethal if not more. They are very similar except Melo can go inside and rebound better. Defensively both are equal when motivated to play D by guys like KG and Woodson. I also argued that both guys should be able to play at a high level in their late 30s as there game is not very tasking physically

gunsnewing wrote:

Mray20 wrote:Many on this board have said Pierce is better

Not True. People here understand that Pierce was seen in the same light as Melo before KG, Allen and Rondo joined him. Melo on the Celtics would be just as lethal if not more. They are very similar except Melo can go inside and rebound better. Defensively both are equal when motivated to play D by guys like KG and Woodson. I also argued that both guys should be able to play at a high level in their late 30s as there game is not very tasking physically

The same way Pierce adjusted his play when his team made those acquisitions, we're seeing the same from Melo early on.

Hopefully the overall result is similar as far as the team goes, but only time will tell.

NYKMentality wrote:

tkf wrote: MOST Top tier players have won scoring titles

Don't you dare mention Melo not winning a scoring title as a knock on Melo not being a top tier player, when Melo himself has been one of the greatest scoring phenoms this game has seen dating back to his rookie season. Averaged 21 points per game as a rookie and hasn't looked back since. Has actually improved as a scoring great dating back to his rookie season of 2003-2004.

Do you not use your noggin before the bashing of Melo? Do you not sit back and think for a second before you press the post new reply tab?

I'm only asking because you're actually using Melo not winning a scoring title as an example in order to give you 'that right' to knock on his game, without first having the overall knowledge to understand that Melo's currently on pace to rank 5th-6th all-time in regards to scoring, with a very respectable shooting percetange as well (a career shooting percentage higher than the likes of Kobe Bryant).

Heading into this season of 2012-2013...

Melo put up 15,926 points during his first 9 NBA seasons.
Kobe put up 14,034 points during his first 9 NBA seasons.

But yet, you decided to mention the fact that he's yet to win a scoring title? Well, then, lets not act as if Melo hasn't finished (in regards to scoring)...

2nd in 2006-2007. Only behind Kobe Bryant.
3rd in 2009-2010. Only behind LeBron and Durant.
3rd in 2010-2011. Only behind LeBron and Durant.
4th in 2012-2013. Behind only LeBron, Durant and Kobe.
4th in 2007-2008. Only behind Iverson, LeBron and Durant.
6th in 2011-2012.
7th in 2008-2009.
8th in 2005-2006.
12th in 2003-2004. Finished ahead of LeBron during their rookie season.
19th in 2004-2005.

tkf wrote:would it be fair to for nets fans to mention joe johnson as elite just because they like him and he wears a uniform of the team they root for?

Really? Are you really using Joe Johnson of all players, as an example on why New York fans shouldn't mention Melo as being elite? Joe Johnson? Really?

Joe Johnson has been in the league for 13 seasons and has only averaged 20+ points during 5 of those years (hasn't averaged anything over 18.8 points during 3 years and counting). Melo on the other hand? Has never as a season in which he's averaged anything under 20 points per game.

Joe Johnson? Really? Let's at least think before the bashing of Melo TKF, because now you're borderline trolling out of frustration. Joe freaking Johnson?

TKF, you going to reply to how foolish you sound and/or the post above?

NYKMentality wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

tkf wrote: MOST Top tier players have won scoring titles

Don't you dare mention Melo not winning a scoring title as a knock on Melo not being a top tier player, when Melo himself has been one of the greatest scoring phenoms this game has seen dating back to his rookie season. Averaged 21 points per game as a rookie and hasn't looked back since. Has actually improved as a scoring great dating back to his rookie season of 2003-2004.

Do you not use your noggin before the bashing of Melo? Do you not sit back and think for a second before you press the post new reply tab?

I'm only asking because you're actually using Melo not winning a scoring title as an example in order to give you 'that right' to knock on his game, without first having the overall knowledge to understand that Melo's currently on pace to rank 5th-6th all-time in regards to scoring, with a very respectable shooting percetange as well (a career shooting percentage higher than the likes of Kobe Bryant).

Heading into this season of 2012-2013...

Melo put up 15,926 points during his first 9 NBA seasons.
Kobe put up 14,034 points during his first 9 NBA seasons.

But yet, you decided to mention the fact that he's yet to win a scoring title? Well, then, lets not act as if Melo hasn't finished (in regards to scoring)...

2nd in 2006-2007. Only behind Kobe Bryant.
3rd in 2009-2010. Only behind LeBron and Durant.
3rd in 2010-2011. Only behind LeBron and Durant.
4th in 2012-2013. Behind only LeBron, Durant and Kobe.
4th in 2007-2008. Only behind Iverson, LeBron and Durant.
6th in 2011-2012.
7th in 2008-2009.
8th in 2005-2006.
12th in 2003-2004. Finished ahead of LeBron during their rookie season.
19th in 2004-2005.

tkf wrote:would it be fair to for nets fans to mention joe johnson as elite just because they like him and he wears a uniform of the team they root for?

Really? Are you really using Joe Johnson of all players, as an example on why New York fans shouldn't mention Melo as being elite? Joe Johnson? Really?

Joe Johnson has been in the league for 13 seasons and has only averaged 20+ points during 5 of those years (hasn't averaged anything over 18.8 points during 3 years and counting). Melo on the other hand? Has never as a season in which he's averaged anything under 20 points per game.

Joe Johnson? Really? Let's at least think before the bashing of Melo TKF, because now you're borderline trolling out of frustration. Joe freaking Johnson?

TKF, you going to reply to how foolish you sound and/or the post above?

Well to be fair you didnt actually provide proof that Melo won a scoring title but I do see your point

knickscity wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

tkf wrote: MOST Top tier players have won scoring titles

Don't you dare mention Melo not winning a scoring title as a knock on Melo not being a top tier player, when Melo himself has been one of the greatest scoring phenoms this game has seen dating back to his rookie season. Averaged 21 points per game as a rookie and hasn't looked back since. Has actually improved as a scoring great dating back to his rookie season of 2003-2004.

Do you not use your noggin before the bashing of Melo? Do you not sit back and think for a second before you press the post new reply tab?

I'm only asking because you're actually using Melo not winning a scoring title as an example in order to give you 'that right' to knock on his game, without first having the overall knowledge to understand that Melo's currently on pace to rank 5th-6th all-time in regards to scoring, with a very respectable shooting percetange as well (a career shooting percentage higher than the likes of Kobe Bryant).

Heading into this season of 2012-2013...

Melo put up 15,926 points during his first 9 NBA seasons.
Kobe put up 14,034 points during his first 9 NBA seasons.

But yet, you decided to mention the fact that he's yet to win a scoring title? Well, then, lets not act as if Melo hasn't finished (in regards to scoring)...

2nd in 2006-2007. Only behind Kobe Bryant.
3rd in 2009-2010. Only behind LeBron and Durant.
3rd in 2010-2011. Only behind LeBron and Durant.
4th in 2012-2013. Behind only LeBron, Durant and Kobe.
4th in 2007-2008. Only behind Iverson, LeBron and Durant.
6th in 2011-2012.
7th in 2008-2009.
8th in 2005-2006.
12th in 2003-2004. Finished ahead of LeBron during their rookie season.
19th in 2004-2005.

tkf wrote:would it be fair to for nets fans to mention joe johnson as elite just because they like him and he wears a uniform of the team they root for?

Really? Are you really using Joe Johnson of all players, as an example on why New York fans shouldn't mention Melo as being elite? Joe Johnson? Really?

Joe Johnson has been in the league for 13 seasons and has only averaged 20+ points during 5 of those years (hasn't averaged anything over 18.8 points during 3 years and counting). Melo on the other hand? Has never as a season in which he's averaged anything under 20 points per game.

Joe Johnson? Really? Let's at least think before the bashing of Melo TKF, because now you're borderline trolling out of frustration. Joe freaking Johnson?

TKF, you going to reply to how foolish you sound and/or the post above?

Well to be fair you didnt actually provide proof that Melo won a scoring title but I do see your point

He couldn't because there was always a better scorer in the league.

And TKF, a lot of the people calling Melo elite(im not one of those people) arent doing so just because they like him and he wears a knicks jersey. If that was the case, how many fans would have been calling Gallinari, Lin, Amare, Lee, Crawford, or all the other players we had "elite" Melo is very good which is where a lot of this talk stems from. Some people do take it too far though.

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Mray20 wrote:Many on this board have said Pierce is better

Not True. People here understand that Pierce was seen in the same light as Melo before KG, Allen and Rondo joined him. Melo on the Celtics would be just as lethal if not more. They are very similar except Melo can go inside and rebound better. Defensively both are equal when motivated to play D by guys like KG and Woodson. I also argued that both guys should be able to play at a high level in their late 30s as there game is not very tasking physically

guns i do think pierce shoots better, and plays off the ball better than carmelo.. honestly, I would take pierce over carmelo, but that is just my prefrence.... he is very savvy....

I remember when you were a knick fan.