VCoug wrote:So far, Felton is what I thought he was. A mediocre shoot first point guard who can't shoot, the worst starting pg in the division, and a guy who's going to start losing us games if he doesn't stop shooting the ball so much.

He is not a shoot first PG...he has to take what the defense is giving him...It's what contributes to ball movement...He is getting into the lane hoping to draw the defense then dish..If the defense lays off which is what they are doing then he shoots...

gunsnewing wrote:That old thread is hilarious. Just goes to show that Knicks fans will turn on a player the minute he is leaves. Felton was the one piece I did not want to give up in the Melo trade. Mozgov too to extant because we were going to be left without a center and Denver were just toying with Dolan at that point.

You bumped an old thread on Lin couldn't believe what I saw posted there either.

Holfresh will try to imply that's not how things were. You show a poster like him evidence it was and then it's either ignored, treated as no big deal, or to be understood that's how fans are.

Well to a degree that's really bogus how fans are and it calls into question you're overall integrity assessing a player/team. It doesn't question the loyalty but when in discussion the other poster doesn't have the confidence their debating with someone with honest conviction. Pure hypocrisy and double standards galore, when it doesn't necessarily have to be the case which baffles me.

misterearl wrote:7-1 is not mediocre

VCoug wrote:So far, Felton is what I thought he was. A mediocre shoot first point guard who can't shoot, the worst starting pg in the division, and a guy who's going to start losing us games if he doesn't stop shooting the ball so much.

VCoug - did you say "start losing us games"? Really?

Sadly, you are stuck picking boogers on rankings and individual statistics over the ONLY numbers that matter.... wins and losses.

Good teams can't have any mediocre players? I guess Mario Chalmers is now one of the best point guards in the league now since he started for a Miami team that won the equivalent of 57 games last year and won the title.

3G4G wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:That old thread is hilarious. Just goes to show that Knicks fans will turn on a player the minute he is leaves. Felton was the one piece I did not want to give up in the Melo trade. Mozgov too to extant because we were going to be left without a center and Denver were just toying with Dolan at that point.

You bumped an old thread on Lin couldn't believe what I saw posted there either.

Holfresh will try to imply that's not how things were. You show a poster like him evidence it was and then it's either ignored, treated as no big deal, or to be understood that's how fans are.

Well to a degree that's really bogus how fans are and it calls into question you're overall integrity assessing a player/team. It doesn't question the loyalty but when in discussion the other poster doesn't have the confidence their debating with someone with honest conviction. Pure hypocrisy and double standards galore, when it doesn't necessarily have to be the case which baffles me.

You bumped the thread...Exactly what was my response to posters in these threads...Please tell me what I was saying then and what I'm saying now???..You accuse me of being a numbskull that changes his opinion...Prove it..U have the thread...Don't disappear on this one..U want to come on strong..Let's have at it...Prove it...

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:That old thread is hilarious. Just goes to show that Knicks fans will turn on a player the minute he is leaves. Felton was the one piece I did not want to give up in the Melo trade. Mozgov too to extant because we were going to be left without a center and Denver were just toying with Dolan at that point.

You bumped an old thread on Lin couldn't believe what I saw posted there either.

Holfresh will try to imply that's not how things were. You show a poster like him evidence it was and then it's either ignored, treated as no big deal, or to be understood that's how fans are.

Well to a degree that's really bogus how fans are and it calls into question you're overall integrity assessing a player/team. It doesn't question the loyalty but when in discussion the other poster doesn't have the confidence their debating with someone with honest conviction. Pure hypocrisy and double standards galore, when it doesn't necessarily have to be the case which baffles me.

You bumped the thread...Exactly what was my response to posters in these threads...Please tell me what I was saying then and what I'm saying now???

You may have held your opinion and stayed consistent on Felton

but you said in this discussion..."you didn't think this was the fan opinion of Felton at the time."

I showed you what it was from 1 link. I could have posted others but no need to go overboard digging through chronicled history

I think you've been more consistent than others pre/post trade, a little homeristic at times but come on I'm not stating lies here nor the only one who notices this takes place far too often.

I know Billups was not quite your fancy, you've defended your case well here.

So why are u accusing me of changing my mind like the "others"...Yes, I may have been wrong about how others felt but you are questioning my integrity when it clear what I was saying was consistent throughout...

misterearl wrote:Mario Chalmers?

VCoug - Take a deep breath. Step back and read your own absurd words in the context of what the Knicks have done under Raymond Felton's leadership at guard.

it is not Raymond Felton's issue that you are unhappy. Really.

Enjoy the ride baby. We are good.

I suggest you go back and read what you wrote. I'm claiming that Raymond Felton is a pretty mediocre pg and you're saying that he's not because we're 7-1. By that logic Mario Chalmers must be a good to great point guard because Miami won the championship last year with him as the starter. Hell, by that logic the Ewing trade was a great success because we got Luc Longley who was the starting center for the Bulls during three of their championships.

misterearl wrote:7-1

VCoug - Raymond Felton is a mediocre point guard.

Hope you are happy now.

Some posters would rather be "right" than root for the team and enjoy the ride.

VCoug wrote:So far, Felton is what I thought he was. A mediocre shoot first point guard who can't shoot, the worst starting pg in the division, and a guy who's going to start losing us games if he doesn't stop shooting the ball so much.

Felton has not been medicre and we could not win these games without him. His dribble penetration outweighs any negative in his game.

VCoug wrote:So far, Felton is what I thought he was. A mediocre shoot first point guard who can't shoot, the worst starting pg in the division, and a guy who's going to start losing us games if he doesn't stop shooting the ball so much.

If he's open he needs to take the shot. He's had a few rough shooting games and a few really good shooting games but the bottom line is that we're 7-1. We don't beat the Spurs without Felton. Just as important is that he's averaging 2.8 assist per turnover.