CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:I would and I'd want the several picks we gave up back, in particular.

The first rounder or the 2 second rounders?

All of them hence several. And we gave up a pick by trading AR to Minny acquiring one they had and conveyed that pick to Denver. I don't like the 2016 swap either as we don't have full control over the pick. We very well could bottom out come 2016....as many have said our window isn't a wide open one.

The trade was AR, Curry and Denver's second round pick not the Knicks. It was a three team trade. The pick belonged to the Nuggets. The Knicks gave a 1st, 2 seconds and the right to swap in 2016.

And if we never swap picks then that pick turns into a guranteeed 2nd rder I believe..

But something has to be said - Do any of the guys we traded want to be there? I really think Gallo and Chandler and Mos would be playing better here. I mean they were, there games have taken a nose dive, especially Gallo's. I would still try to get him in a trade if we could.

Sometimes the mental aspect of paying where you want is just huge. Think of Vince Carter, etc.

Everything looks good here.

Homerism never looked better.

Looking for a good grilled squid recipe. Was inspired by such at a japanese restaurant last nite and need to replicate the dish!

earthmansurfer wrote:The trade is looking great for us now.

But something has to be said - Do any of the guys we traded want to be there? I really think Gallo and Chandler and Mos would be playing better here. I mean they were, there games have taken a nose dive, especially Gallo's. I would still try to get him in a trade if we could.

Sometimes the mental aspect of paying where you want is just huge. Think of Vince Carter, etc.

If anything, Gallo's game should have flourished in the high octane offense that Denver runs...Saying that his game has nose-dived simply because he's feeling home-sick is a poor excuse....

ShellTopAdidas wrote:This is NOT the Melo we traded for. If This new Melo played like this for George Karl, they probably would of won a few championships and would have never been traded. Melo JUST starting to realise he doesn't know it all and Melo ball is only going to get u an all star invite and nothing else. Glad to see he's growing up. It's about time.

First off, to say that Melo has never played better is a stretch considering its only been 4 games. Next, Melo has played at this level before, its just that those teams in Denver were never built to beat the Lakers, Spurs or even the Suns. You make it seem as though Denver wanted to trade him which we know isn't the case; Melo wanted out....

Nalod wrote:

ShellTopAdidas wrote:This is NOT the Melo we traded for. If This new Melo played like this for George Karl, they probably would of won a few championships and would have never been traded. Melo JUST starting to realise he doesn't know it all and Melo ball is only going to get u an all star invite and nothing else. Glad to see he's growing up. It's about time.

Is melo really playing so much better or is the team around him playing team ball with him included?
And a deep bench?
And a strong team resolve?

No doubt he is having a grand time and is healthy.

In this instance, this point in the season "On paper" is not as good as "on the court"!

Lots of games left. Enjoy!

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:Harden is no Melo. Him disappearing last year in finals as 3rd option says a lot. No post game like Melo, doesnt' rebound like melo and doesn't defend like the New Melo.

as opposed to Melo's .390 post-season FG% for us?

Hey Bonn what is Melos FG% or TS% in critical and clutch situations compared to the rest of the league? When the team absolutly needs a bucket?

i don't know about critical or clutch situations but for his career his regular season FG% is an entirely mediocre 45.6 and goes down to a pathetic 41.9 in the playoffs.

in terms of TS% in the regular season it is an entirely mediocre 54.4 (this is his TS% so far this season BTW) and plummets to an awful 51.8 in the playoffs.

these numbers imply that he does not rise to the occasion overall and that if teams do in fact plan for him that his losing playoff history show that he doesn't have the ability to adjust, that he's basically a one-trick pony.

the question is will his defense and hustle plays turn him into a true positive-sum player come the second round of the playoffs?

82games.com has clutch stats. looking at his best season in 08-09 (note no TS% which would include getting to the line):

SHOT ATT eFG ASS BLK NET
Jumpers 71% .300 50% 10% 0.9
Close 21% .667 0% 0% 0.6
Dunk 7% 1.000 0% 0% 0.3
Tips 0% .000 0% 0% 0.0
Inside 29% .750 0% 0% 0.9

my apologies for the formatting issue.

these stats don't actually state whether the team is ahead by 5 or behind by 5.

pierce 2.6 and .8 in 08-09 the year garnett was out and you presume the celtics will be trailing more often than not
bryant 2.6 and .4 in 08-09 against the inferior magic squad
bryant 1.5 and .6 in 07-08 against the superior celtic squad
wade 1.6 and .6 in 05-06 which was the ref gifting series so he had help
melo 0.9 and .6 in 08-09 which was his most successful playoff season

melo is well off the pace of his so-called peers.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ShellTopAdidas wrote:This is NOT the Melo we traded for. If This new Melo played like this for George Karl, they probably would of won a few championships and would have never been traded. Melo JUST starting to realise he doesn't know it all and Melo ball is only going to get u an all star invite and nothing else. Glad to see he's growing up. It's about time.

Is melo really playing so much better or is the team around him playing team ball with him included?
And a deep bench?
And a strong team resolve?

No doubt he is having a grand time and is healthy.

In this instance, this point in the season "On paper" is not as good as "on the court"!

Lots of games left. Enjoy!

His defense is better but otherwise he's still a .440 shooter with a 1 to 1 assist turnover ratio. It's mostly the team around him doing better.

The ball isn't stopping at him like in years past. He doesn't have to have a high asst avg, just get others involved!!!! That's what EVERY SINGLE COACH BEEN TRYING TO TELL HIM, but it hasn't been until NOW that its sinking in.

Bonn1997 wrote:

ShellTopAdidas wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ShellTopAdidas wrote:This is NOT the Melo we traded for. If This new Melo played like this for George Karl, they probably would of won a few championships and would have never been traded. Melo JUST starting to realise he doesn't know it all and Melo ball is only going to get u an all star invite and nothing else. Glad to see he's growing up. It's about time.

Is melo really playing so much better or is the team around him playing team ball with him included?
And a deep bench?
And a strong team resolve?

No doubt he is having a grand time and is healthy.

In this instance, this point in the season "On paper" is not as good as "on the court"!

Lots of games left. Enjoy!

His defense is better but otherwise he's still a .440 shooter with a 1 to 1 assist turnover ratio. It's mostly the team around him doing better.

The ball isn't stopping at him like in years past. He doesn't have to have a high asst avg, just get others involved!!!! That's what EVERY SINGLE COACH BEEN TRYING TO TELL HIM, but it hasn't been until NOW that its sinking in.

Is that the case or is there just a changed perception of him because the team is doing better? I doubt anyone has recorded the data, but I'd be surprised if he actually was spending less time with the ball in his hands now (less ball stopping) than in previous seasons.

It's the team doing better, most of our points aren't even assisted now, we're like middle of the pack in assists at the moment.