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1. Real or Hype: The Knicks are the NBA's best team so far.


Mark Haubner, The Painted Area: Hype (but just a little). The Knicks certainly have been the most spectacular success, and are making a clear statement that Amar'e Stoudemire fits best off the bench, but the team's 48 percent 3-point shooting isn't sustainable. Overall, I'd favor the Spurs, who are standing out amid the carnage of predicted Western contenders, even though their shots haven't been falling and Manu Ginobili's barely played.

Beckley Mason, ESPN.com: Real. The Knicks have blown out two playoff teams and rank in the top three in offensive and defensive efficiency. That's pretty good -- no team has finished that high in both categories since the 72-win Bulls in 1996.

Steve McPherson, Hardwood Paroxysm: Hype. Maybe if you go strictly by point differential, the Knicks are the best with a plus-18 in two games, but J.J. Barea is also currently leading the league in offensive efficiency at a ludicrous 156.3. Any numbers you've got right now need to be taken with all the grains of salt and besides, the Knicks' problems have been about consistency, not talent.

Tom Sunnergren, Philadunkia: Real. While most in the business of basketball punditry spent the offseason wringing the hands over the Knicks maladroit handling of the Jeremy Lin and Landry Fields situations, NYK calmly, quietly got better. And yeah, they can shoot the 3 and defend as well as anyone. I'm buying here.

Amin Vafa, Hardwood Paroxysm: Hype. Even if it were real, doesn't everything surrounding the Knicks have to automatically be classified as hype? It's nice to see the team coming together and [Carmelo Anthony] playing well on both ends of the court, but the players' age and the re-addition of STAT will give this team some growing pains sooner rather than later.

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mrKnickShot
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11/6/2012  9:07 PM
nixluva wrote:We actually never ran SSOL since MDA was here, but what we did run is basically his halfcourt offense and I've got news for all those who aren't paying attention, WE'RE STILL RUNNING A LOT OF MDA'S HALFCOURT OFFENSE! IF you can't see that we're still spreading the floor and getting wide open 3's and how those sets are basically the same as last year you must be blind. Yes there are some added wrinkles but basically it's the same stuff. The big difference is that we don't have a young inexperienced PG running it.

Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez

We are in a state of Euphoria and you can't stop bringing up Isiah - I mean MDA

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nixluva
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11/6/2012  10:44 PM
For all you complaining itches, I commented because someone wrote about SSOL!!!
misterearl wrote:Forget the shooting percentages.... Disciplined ball handling and far fewer turnovers than SSOL. Intelligence and poise.

Saying anything about SSOL already shows a lack of knowledge cuz we never really ran SSOL here due to a lack of players able to do it. SSOL was a much higher pace than we've ever been able to play here. Our players couldn't do it so MDA had to slow things down and only employed the halfcourt aspects of his offense. Much of which we're still using today. Go f'n study up on this ish before making dumb comments. If you have some real technical explanations for how i'm wrong bring it. Just remember I told U guys that I actually have the plays and am very familiar with the offense. Trust me we haven't been running SSOL. Don't jump on my case when I respond to inaccurate comments. You guys can keep trying to make me sound irrational and ish like that, but i'm fully aware of the stance i'm defending and I have legitimate proof to support my position.

It seems that many of you don't really understand my position on this topic. For some reason too many of you think that because i'm correcting the record about MDA that i'm trying to give him credit for what the team is doing now. I haven't said any such thing. I'm merely stating the facts. I like how Woody has implemented his offense. It's been smart and appropriate for the roster we have. He's mixing things up and it works great for keeping teams off balance and not able to just predict everything we're going to do. When we ran too much PnR it was too predictable and teams shut it down. Just like when we ran too much ISO Melo.

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11/6/2012  10:52 PM
to be fair nixluva hasn't brought up MDA really this season and has been one of the biggest supporters of the current team.
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11/6/2012  11:03 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/6/2012  11:05 PM
nixluva wrote:For all you complaining itches, I commented because someone wrote about SSOL!!!
misterearl wrote:Forget the shooting percentages.... Disciplined ball handling and far fewer turnovers than SSOL. Intelligence and poise.

Saying anything about SSOL already shows a lack of knowledge cuz we never really ran SSOL here due to a lack of players able to do it. SSOL was a much higher pace than we've ever been able to play here. Our players couldn't do it so MDA had to slow things down and only employed the halfcourt aspects of his offense. Much of which we're still using today. Go f'n study up on this ish before making dumb comments. If you have some real technical explanations for how i'm wrong bring it. Just remember I told U guys that I actually have the plays and am very familiar with the offense. Trust me we haven't been running SSOL. Don't jump on my case when I respond to inaccurate comments. You guys can keep trying to make me sound irrational and ish like that, but i'm fully aware of the stance i'm defending and I have legitimate proof to support my position.

It seems that many of you don't really understand my position on this topic. For some reason too many of you think that because i'm correcting the record about MDA that i'm trying to give him credit for what the team is doing now. I haven't said any such thing. I'm merely stating the facts. I like how Woody has implemented his offense. It's been smart and appropriate for the roster we have. He's mixing things up and it works great for keeping teams off balance and not able to just predict everything we're going to do. When we ran too much PnR it was too predictable and teams shut it down. Just like when we ran too much ISO Melo.

First of all, personally I am very tired of hearing about the brilliance of a guy that coached the team I root for and was really bad at it. Every criticism of him prior to coming was accurate and magnified once he was without the hall of fame roster he left. A big part of the Knicks success on offense this year has been credited to how well Kidd moves the ball when he is on offense and takes advantage of what the defense gives him. He was doing this in dallas as well. Not sure how D'Antoni gets credit for this. Prior to D'Antoni leaving there were reports that Melo didn't trust the offense. The guy is all in now with Mike Woodson who keeps it simple, hold a team to under 25 every quarter and will win. The Knicks are second in defense and second in offense after three games. They didn't come out of camp and need 15 games to figure things out or for Woodson to settle on a rotation. The Knicks did not look good in preseason. Tyson said Woodson took the week before the season to work on all of the things that they were struggling with. The Knicks didn't start 6-10, 3-8 or 1-9 this year. In fact they are 21-6 in the regular season since the switch.
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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11/6/2012  11:39 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:For all you complaining itches, I commented because someone wrote about SSOL!!!
misterearl wrote:Forget the shooting percentages.... Disciplined ball handling and far fewer turnovers than SSOL. Intelligence and poise.

Saying anything about SSOL already shows a lack of knowledge cuz we never really ran SSOL here due to a lack of players able to do it. SSOL was a much higher pace than we've ever been able to play here. Our players couldn't do it so MDA had to slow things down and only employed the halfcourt aspects of his offense. Much of which we're still using today. Go f'n study up on this ish before making dumb comments. If you have some real technical explanations for how i'm wrong bring it. Just remember I told U guys that I actually have the plays and am very familiar with the offense. Trust me we haven't been running SSOL. Don't jump on my case when I respond to inaccurate comments. You guys can keep trying to make me sound irrational and ish like that, but i'm fully aware of the stance i'm defending and I have legitimate proof to support my position.

It seems that many of you don't really understand my position on this topic. For some reason too many of you think that because i'm correcting the record about MDA that i'm trying to give him credit for what the team is doing now. I haven't said any such thing. I'm merely stating the facts. I like how Woody has implemented his offense. It's been smart and appropriate for the roster we have. He's mixing things up and it works great for keeping teams off balance and not able to just predict everything we're going to do. When we ran too much PnR it was too predictable and teams shut it down. Just like when we ran too much ISO Melo.

First of all, personally I am very tired of hearing about the brilliance of a guy that coached the team I root for and was really bad at it. Every criticism of him prior to coming was accurate and magnified once he was without the hall of fame roster he left. A big part of the Knicks success on offense this year has been credited to how well Kidd moves the ball when he is on offense and takes advantage of what the defense gives him. He was doing this in dallas as well. Not sure how D'Antoni gets credit for this. Prior to D'Antoni leaving there were reports that Melo didn't trust the offense. The guy is all in now with Mike Woodson who keeps it simple, hold a team to under 25 every quarter and will win. The Knicks are second in defense and second in offense after three games. They didn't come out of camp and need 15 games to figure things out or for Woodson to settle on a rotation. The Knicks did not look good in preseason. Tyson said Woodson took the week before the season to work on all of the things that they were struggling with. The Knicks didn't start 6-10, 3-8 or 1-9 this year. In fact they are 21-6 in the regular season since the switch.

the bold is HUGE in my view. all these years of flat out dreadful slow starts where the team doesnt even look like they belonged in the nba... ill take 3-0, hope they continue to play well (even with all these 3's).

GO TEAM VENTURE!!!!!
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11/7/2012  12:08 AM
misterearl wrote:I said in another happy thread that I was happy for y'all and the games have been good fun to watch.

Spoken like a true outsider

Lol, I love the life breathe back into the forum.

The same couple of posters describing how much sand they have in their ginas was getting old, but look at what a little sunshine does.

"Really, all Americans want is a cold beer, warm p***y, and some place to s**t with a door on it." - Mr. Ford
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11/7/2012  3:08 AM
FoeDiddy wrote:to be fair nixluva hasn't brought up MDA really this season and has been one of the biggest supporters of the current team.

Thank YOU!!! These same guys who've been doing this crap for years are still looking for ways to bash a guy that isn't here anymore. If you simply state a FACT they try and make it a federal case. I've been extremely positive about Woody and the Knicks roster changes and was on board with what I saw very early. None of these guys has a leg to stand on in regards to me and whether I support this current team and coach. I haven't said anything that isn't true or backed up. These guys can't beat me honestly so all they do is talk ish about me. Notice none of them ever are able to prove that what I say isn't true, cuz they see the proof and then have to resort to other lame arguments.

It's easy to just point to the W/L record and say see i'm right! MDA SUCKS. LAME ASS POSTS!!! I'm not talking about this crap anymore. I've more than proven my point on this stuff. All my posts are backed up with actual articles proving what I argued was true. I sleep good at night. GO KNICKS!!!

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