NUPE wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

NUPE wrote:LoL @ certain people on this board bashing anyone that does not think Lin is a "Gift" including Deron...

Lol @

- certain people on this board determined to knock the kid down at every opportunity. what their motivation is i have no idea. the kid was the most fun thing we've had as knicks fans since how long. if he's not with the team anymore than why not wish him good luck and leave it at that vs. feeling the need to **** on him every chance.

- certain people on this board who KNOW what he will or won't become.

I don't know if he'll be able to play at an NBA starter's level over 82 games. I hope he does though. If he fails it might feel food for certain people to say "see i told you he sucks!"

Other than the 'I told you so!' factor, why, as a Knicks fan, would you be actively rooting for this guy to fail? I just don't get it.

Look like my comment hit home with you. A bit defensive are you?!?!

I haven't actually posted anything on this board trying to slam Deron Williams. You didn't really address any of the questions I had.

1. Why do you feel the need to act like you know what this kid is going to become? Other than a handful of people on this board (like Briggs) no one saw this kid coming. Do you have some type of statistical model projecting him to be a bust? Do you have a history of making accurate calls on 1st or 2nd year players and projecting what they'll become consistently?

If not, then I am confused as to where all the certainty about what Lin will become is coming from. The same applies to those who are certain he'll be the next Chris Paul or whatever.

2. Other than the 'I told you so!' factor, why, as a Knicks fan, would you (NUPE) be actively rooting for this guy to fail? I just don't get it.

This is not a rhetorical question NUPE. I am genuinely confused about your attitude towards the kid. If your only response is something like 'a bit defensive are you!?!?!', well I guess that pretty much kills the conversation. But I am curious as to what your point of view is. Enlighten me.

It make about as much sense to me as people who believe in Lin actively rooting for Felton to fall flat on his face this season.

For the record I think Felton is on a mission and will have a bounce back season.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

NUPE wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

NUPE wrote:LoL @ certain people on this board bashing anyone that does not think Lin is a "Gift" including Deron...

Lol @

- certain people on this board determined to knock the kid down at every opportunity. what their motivation is i have no idea. the kid was the most fun thing we've had as knicks fans since how long. if he's not with the team anymore than why not wish him good luck and leave it at that vs. feeling the need to **** on him every chance.

- certain people on this board who KNOW what he will or won't become.

I don't know if he'll be able to play at an NBA starter's level over 82 games. I hope he does though. If he fails it might feel food for certain people to say "see i told you he sucks!"

Other than the 'I told you so!' factor, why, as a Knicks fan, would you be actively rooting for this guy to fail? I just don't get it.

Look like my comment hit home with you. A bit defensive are you?!?!

I haven't actually posted anything on this board trying to slam Deron Williams. You didn't really address any of the questions I had.

1. Why do you feel the need to act like you know what this kid is going to become? Other than a handful of people on this board (like Briggs) no one saw this kid coming. Do you have some type of statistical model projecting him to be a bust? Do you have a history of making accurate calls on 1st or 2nd year players and projecting what they'll become consistently?

If not, then I am confused as to where all the certainty about what Lin will become is coming from. The same applies to those who are certain he'll be the next Chris Paul or whatever.

2. Other than the 'I told you so!' factor, why, as a Knicks fan, would you be actively rooting for this guy to fail? I just don't get it.

It make about as much sense to me as people who believe in Lin actively rooting for Felton to fall flat on his face this season.

For the record I think Felton is on a mission and will have a bounce back season.

Well ... as (knicks) fans, don't we all have the right to hope an opposing player fails? Especially one the we might have stupidly let walk?

I hate to say it but I hope he sux so that it bothers me less.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

NUPE wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

NUPE wrote:LoL @ certain people on this board bashing anyone that does not think Lin is a "Gift" including Deron...

Lol @

- certain people on this board determined to knock the kid down at every opportunity. what their motivation is i have no idea. the kid was the most fun thing we've had as knicks fans since how long. if he's not with the team anymore than why not wish him good luck and leave it at that vs. feeling the need to **** on him every chance.

- certain people on this board who KNOW what he will or won't become.

I don't know if he'll be able to play at an NBA starter's level over 82 games. I hope he does though. If he fails it might feel food for certain people to say "see i told you he sucks!"

Other than the 'I told you so!' factor, why, as a Knicks fan, would you be actively rooting for this guy to fail? I just don't get it.

Look like my comment hit home with you. A bit defensive are you?!?!

I haven't actually posted anything on this board trying to slam Deron Williams. You didn't really address any of the questions I had.

1. Why do you feel the need to act like you know what this kid is going to become? Other than a handful of people on this board (like Briggs) no one saw this kid coming. Do you have some type of statistical model projecting him to be a bust? Do you have a history of making accurate calls on 1st or 2nd year players and projecting what they'll become consistently?

If not, then I am confused as to where all the certainty about what Lin will become is coming from. The same applies to those who are certain he'll be the next Chris Paul or whatever.

2. Other than the 'I told you so!' factor, why, as a Knicks fan, would you be actively rooting for this guy to fail? I just don't get it.

It make about as much sense to me as people who believe in Lin actively rooting for Felton to fall flat on his face this season.

For the record I think Felton is on a mission and will have a bounce back season.

Well ... as (knicks) fans, don't we all have the right to hope an opposing player fails? Especially one the we might have stupidly let walk?

I hate to say it but I hope he sux so that it bothers me less.

I guess? There's a few ways to look at it.

1) Lin is a marginal, end of the rotation player. A backup PG at best. He had a great few weeks here. He's gone but that's better than the Knicks being on the hook for $8M per. If that's the case then he doesn't really matter at all.

2) He was a great young prospect. Houston offered him more than we were willing to pay. He walked.

3) He was totally pretending to be a humble kid and played the trusting, well intentioned James Dolan and Knicks management by seeking out a poison pill contract to free himself of the limelight stealing Carmelo Anthony. If this is the case then again, good riddance. We dodged having a phony nice, cap killin, locker room cancer on the team for 3 seasons.

Houston isn't going anywhere this season. It's not like a Ray Allen going to Miami situation where he left to go play for a hated rival that stands between you and the championship.

And yes I know that you are in the "wish he stayed" camp but I'm just confused as to how he went from a feel good story for Knicks fans who've been miserable for the past 12 seasons to the level of schadenfreude that he attracts right now. It's just...weird. Really, really weird.

I don't think it is strange. It is the epitome of fandom.

Deep down people feel/fear that perhaps we did the wrong thing and there for are spewing and praying that he fails.

Why is it that nobody is talking about Landry Feilds? Because nobody misses/will-mill him.

mrKnickShot wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

NUPE wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

NUPE wrote:LoL @ certain people on this board bashing anyone that does not think Lin is a "Gift" including Deron...

Lol @

- certain people on this board determined to knock the kid down at every opportunity. what their motivation is i have no idea. the kid was the most fun thing we've had as knicks fans since how long. if he's not with the team anymore than why not wish him good luck and leave it at that vs. feeling the need to **** on him every chance.

- certain people on this board who KNOW what he will or won't become.

I don't know if he'll be able to play at an NBA starter's level over 82 games. I hope he does though. If he fails it might feel food for certain people to say "see i told you he sucks!"

Other than the 'I told you so!' factor, why, as a Knicks fan, would you be actively rooting for this guy to fail? I just don't get it.

Look like my comment hit home with you. A bit defensive are you?!?!

I haven't actually posted anything on this board trying to slam Deron Williams. You didn't really address any of the questions I had.

1. Why do you feel the need to act like you know what this kid is going to become? Other than a handful of people on this board (like Briggs) no one saw this kid coming. Do you have some type of statistical model projecting him to be a bust? Do you have a history of making accurate calls on 1st or 2nd year players and projecting what they'll become consistently?

If not, then I am confused as to where all the certainty about what Lin will become is coming from. The same applies to those who are certain he'll be the next Chris Paul or whatever.

2. Other than the 'I told you so!' factor, why, as a Knicks fan, would you be actively rooting for this guy to fail? I just don't get it.

It make about as much sense to me as people who believe in Lin actively rooting for Felton to fall flat on his face this season.

For the record I think Felton is on a mission and will have a bounce back season.

Well ... as (knicks) fans, don't we all have the right to hope an opposing player fails? Especially one the we might have stupidly let walk?

I hate to say it but I hope he sux so that it bothers me less.

Why aren't you more upset at the incompetent organization who let him walk for nothing? Why not be indifferent to what happens to Lin in Houston, he did no wrong to the organization. He went and negotiated a deal like any other player.

He wasn't saying things in the media like Batum and Eric Gordon telling their teams not to match or that they hope they don't match. He said he wanted to remain a Knick.

This internal personal satisfaction stuff is kind of disturbing when you look at it front and center.

NUPE wrote:Well, I am not praying or hoping for Lin to fail. I think he will do like 15 ppg and 7 assists with bad %'s and high to. That is not bad nor great nor a gift. He is a decent young player with potential. I just don't get all the outrage that arose when the Knicks decided to sign Felton who will put up similar #'s for substantially less money.

I think it is partly because we know what Felton is.

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NUPE wrote:LoL @ certain people on this board bashing anyone that does not think Lin is a "Gift" including Deron...

"LOL at certain people"? Talk about being passive-aggressive!
In my case, I've been a critic of Deron's play for over a year.

This is true.

To me, it also shows how hard it is to be efficient on a bad team especially if you are pretty much the only option.

3G4G wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

NUPE wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

NUPE wrote:LoL @ certain people on this board bashing anyone that does not think Lin is a "Gift" including Deron...

Lol @

- certain people on this board determined to knock the kid down at every opportunity. what their motivation is i have no idea. the kid was the most fun thing we've had as knicks fans since how long. if he's not with the team anymore than why not wish him good luck and leave it at that vs. feeling the need to **** on him every chance.

- certain people on this board who KNOW what he will or won't become.

I don't know if he'll be able to play at an NBA starter's level over 82 games. I hope he does though. If he fails it might feel food for certain people to say "see i told you he sucks!"

Other than the 'I told you so!' factor, why, as a Knicks fan, would you be actively rooting for this guy to fail? I just don't get it.

Look like my comment hit home with you. A bit defensive are you?!?!

I haven't actually posted anything on this board trying to slam Deron Williams. You didn't really address any of the questions I had.

1. Why do you feel the need to act like you know what this kid is going to become? Other than a handful of people on this board (like Briggs) no one saw this kid coming. Do you have some type of statistical model projecting him to be a bust? Do you have a history of making accurate calls on 1st or 2nd year players and projecting what they'll become consistently?

If not, then I am confused as to where all the certainty about what Lin will become is coming from. The same applies to those who are certain he'll be the next Chris Paul or whatever.

2. Other than the 'I told you so!' factor, why, as a Knicks fan, would you be actively rooting for this guy to fail? I just don't get it.

It make about as much sense to me as people who believe in Lin actively rooting for Felton to fall flat on his face this season.

For the record I think Felton is on a mission and will have a bounce back season.

Well ... as (knicks) fans, don't we all have the right to hope an opposing player fails? Especially one the we might have stupidly let walk?

I hate to say it but I hope he sux so that it bothers me less.

Why aren't you more upset at the incompetent organization who let him walk for nothing? Why not be indifferent to what happens to Lin in Houston, he did no wrong to the organization. He went and negotiated a deal like any other player.

He wasn't saying things in the media like Batum and Eric Gordon telling their teams not to match or that they hope they don't match. He said he wanted to remain a Knick.

This internal personal satisfaction stuff is kind of disturbing when you look at it front and center.

Disturbing? You can choose to be any type of fan you want. If you are dopey and get disturbed by other fans positions and how they "deal" with things, then it is probably you who is disturbed. No offense man - it's just sports!

I am upset at the organization and do find them to be incompetent at times.

Lin was no saint here though IMHO. I think he cares a bit too much about fame. Hey, its just my opinion so don't freak out.

Anyway, Lin is playing with the enemy now and I would like him to fail!!

Actually he doesn't here's what he said about the Harden trade....

Lin is happy to have him aboard.

"He's always been an efficient, easy player to play with," Lin said. "The way he plays, the style he plays is very in tune with what we're trying to do."

and

If nothing else, the arrival of Harden will deflect some of the attention away from Lin, on the court and off it.

"We'll see how everything plays out," Lin said. "It'll be dispersed a little more."

I think the overhyping of his play last year has caused an overall warped idea of who and what he is. Positively and Negatively. Try and find some balance instead of boxing a player in based on an agenda

Agenda? With Lin? I have no agenda - I have an opinion and a rooting disinterest.

And, the only similarity that Lin had with Tebow was that they both loved the camera and saying "Jesus" to it.

3G4G wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

NUPE wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

NUPE wrote:LoL @ certain people on this board bashing anyone that does not think Lin is a "Gift" including Deron...

Lol @

- certain people on this board determined to knock the kid down at every opportunity. what their motivation is i have no idea. the kid was the most fun thing we've had as knicks fans since how long. if he's not with the team anymore than why not wish him good luck and leave it at that vs. feeling the need to **** on him every chance.

- certain people on this board who KNOW what he will or won't become.

I don't know if he'll be able to play at an NBA starter's level over 82 games. I hope he does though. If he fails it might feel food for certain people to say "see i told you he sucks!"

Other than the 'I told you so!' factor, why, as a Knicks fan, would you be actively rooting for this guy to fail? I just don't get it.

Look like my comment hit home with you. A bit defensive are you?!?!

I haven't actually posted anything on this board trying to slam Deron Williams. You didn't really address any of the questions I had.

1. Why do you feel the need to act like you know what this kid is going to become? Other than a handful of people on this board (like Briggs) no one saw this kid coming. Do you have some type of statistical model projecting him to be a bust? Do you have a history of making accurate calls on 1st or 2nd year players and projecting what they'll become consistently?

If not, then I am confused as to where all the certainty about what Lin will become is coming from. The same applies to those who are certain he'll be the next Chris Paul or whatever.

2. Other than the 'I told you so!' factor, why, as a Knicks fan, would you be actively rooting for this guy to fail? I just don't get it.

It make about as much sense to me as people who believe in Lin actively rooting for Felton to fall flat on his face this season.

For the record I think Felton is on a mission and will have a bounce back season.

Well ... as (knicks) fans, don't we all have the right to hope an opposing player fails? Especially one the we might have stupidly let walk?

I hate to say it but I hope he sux so that it bothers me less.

Why aren't you more upset at the incompetent organization who let him walk for nothing? Why not be indifferent to what happens to Lin in Houston, he did no wrong to the organization. He went and negotiated a deal like any other player.

He wasn't saying things in the media like Batum and Eric Gordon telling their teams not to match or that they hope they don't match. He said he wanted to remain a Knick.

This internal personal satisfaction stuff is kind of disturbing when you look at it front and center.

Disturbing? You can choose to be any type of fan you want. If you are dopey and get disturbed by other fans positions and how they "deal" with things, then it is probably you who is disturbed. No offense man - it's just sports!

I am upset at the organization and do find them to be incompetent at times.

Lin was no saint here though IMHO. I think he cares a bit too much about fame. Hey, its just my opinion so don't freak out.

Anyway, Lin is playing with the enemy now and I would like him to fail!!

Actually he doesn't here's what he said about the Harden trade....

Lin is happy to have him aboard.

"He's always been an efficient, easy player to play with," Lin said. "The way he plays, the style he plays is very in tune with what we're trying to do."

and

If nothing else, the arrival of Harden will deflect some of the attention away from Lin, on the court and off it.

"We'll see how everything plays out," Lin said. "It'll be dispersed a little more."

I think the overhyping of his play last year has caused an overall warped idea of who and what he is. Positively and Negatively. Try and find some balance instead of boxing a player in based on an agenda

It might be a good idea to take some of your own advice. There is not balance in your posts when you speak of the Knicks esp Melo. Your posts about the Knicks stink of agenda and you certainly have players that you dislike in a box...

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

NUPE wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

NUPE wrote:LoL @ certain people on this board bashing anyone that does not think Lin is a "Gift" including Deron...

Lol @

- certain people on this board determined to knock the kid down at every opportunity. what their motivation is i have no idea. the kid was the most fun thing we've had as knicks fans since how long. if he's not with the team anymore than why not wish him good luck and leave it at that vs. feeling the need to **** on him every chance.

- certain people on this board who KNOW what he will or won't become.

I don't know if he'll be able to play at an NBA starter's level over 82 games. I hope he does though. If he fails it might feel food for certain people to say "see i told you he sucks!"

Other than the 'I told you so!' factor, why, as a Knicks fan, would you be actively rooting for this guy to fail? I just don't get it.

Look like my comment hit home with you. A bit defensive are you?!?!

I haven't actually posted anything on this board trying to slam Deron Williams. You didn't really address any of the questions I had.

1. Why do you feel the need to act like you know what this kid is going to become? Other than a handful of people on this board (like Briggs) no one saw this kid coming. Do you have some type of statistical model projecting him to be a bust? Do you have a history of making accurate calls on 1st or 2nd year players and projecting what they'll become consistently?

If not, then I am confused as to where all the certainty about what Lin will become is coming from. The same applies to those who are certain he'll be the next Chris Paul or whatever.

2. Other than the 'I told you so!' factor, why, as a Knicks fan, would you be actively rooting for this guy to fail? I just don't get it.

It make about as much sense to me as people who believe in Lin actively rooting for Felton to fall flat on his face this season.

For the record I think Felton is on a mission and will have a bounce back season.

Well ... as (knicks) fans, don't we all have the right to hope an opposing player fails? Especially one the we might have stupidly let walk?

I hate to say it but I hope he sux so that it bothers me less.

Why aren't you more upset at the incompetent organization who let him walk for nothing? Why not be indifferent to what happens to Lin in Houston, he did no wrong to the organization. He went and negotiated a deal like any other player.

He wasn't saying things in the media like Batum and Eric Gordon telling their teams not to match or that they hope they don't match. He said he wanted to remain a Knick.

This internal personal satisfaction stuff is kind of disturbing when you look at it front and center.

Disturbing? You can choose to be any type of fan you want. If you are dopey and get disturbed by other fans positions and how they "deal" with things, then it is probably you who is disturbed. No offense man - it's just sports!

I am upset at the organization and do find them to be incompetent at times.

Lin was no saint here though IMHO. I think he cares a bit too much about fame. Hey, its just my opinion so don't freak out.

Anyway, Lin is playing with the enemy now and I would like him to fail!!

Actually he doesn't here's what he said about the Harden trade....

Lin is happy to have him aboard.

"He's always been an efficient, easy player to play with," Lin said. "The way he plays, the style he plays is very in tune with what we're trying to do."

and

If nothing else, the arrival of Harden will deflect some of the attention away from Lin, on the court and off it.

"We'll see how everything plays out," Lin said. "It'll be dispersed a little more."

I think the overhyping of his play last year has caused an overall warped idea of who and what he is. Positively and Negatively. Try and find some balance instead of boxing a player in based on an agenda

It might be a good idea to take some of your own advice. There is not balance in your posts when you speak of the Knicks esp Melo. Your posts about the Knicks stink of agenda and you certainly have players that you dislike in a box...

I don't....

We know who our players are and have yrs of data to back it up. Not 8-1 or 18-6 or 7-8 games of a preseason as samples. I don't build arguments around such frivolous data. I don't start endless threads about a certain player. I did start the one about Melo and his "sacrifice", something I'm skeptical of and I said we'll see.

Nalod wrote:So we complain when nets talk junk or give a compliment.

Nalod, we really need to worry about the Nets! They are selling crazy numbers in merchandise. The real estate around the Barclay Center is skyrocketing, the Nets are building a competitive team ...

I personally love it!