holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:blaming grunwald for this roster is misguided. he is just another one of dolan's mediocre lackeys, along with woodson. woodson is the very definition of mediocre, getting through the regular season with a respectable record only to be annihilated in second round play.

both of these dolan marionettes are trying to clean up the mess dolan created when he tore down walsh's plans.

the knicks prior to melo needed an upgrade at point guard, as was mentioned. felton was and remains inadequate which is why the wise walsh had him on a two-year audition contract. yet here he is again out of sheer desperation. lots of denial among the knick faithful on this point-- bad pun intended.

on a side note: walsh's last move was to draft shumpert and harrellson-- grunwald did not draft either. prior to that walsh drafted fields. someone mentioned that grunwald drafted shumpert and that is just not true.

all of this maneuvering traces itself back to february 2010. there's simply no way around it. it is quite clear that the talent we lost is indeed not so easy to replace and the ensuing chaos makes it even harder. so the acquisition of chandler was necessary ONLY because the team became a chaotic pile of cow patties and he was the best player available as opposed to an upgrade according to a plan. nothing against chandler because i really really like him even if his game is a bit one-sided. but he, like stoudemire, needs a top flight pick and roll point guard in order to be effective on offense. ironic that he was acquired in lieu of such a player.

this is what happens when you make an ill-advised trade and simultaneously scrap a plan. no amount of chest-beating is going to cover it up.

Who was going lead the fight charge with Amare(Walsh's plan??)going down..Gallo??

he is leading the fight charge in denver.....see the article I posted yesterday..

and then you get him help.. the same type of help many of you have been saying carmelo never got over the past 10 years...

and here is the kicker.. gallo isn't on a max deal, so it would have been easy to add a top flight player to help "lead the charge"..

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:blaming grunwald for this roster is misguided. he is just another one of dolan's mediocre lackeys, along with woodson. woodson is the very definition of mediocre, getting through the regular season with a respectable record only to be annihilated in second round play.

both of these dolan marionettes are trying to clean up the mess dolan created when he tore down walsh's plans.

the knicks prior to melo needed an upgrade at point guard, as was mentioned. felton was and remains inadequate which is why the wise walsh had him on a two-year audition contract. yet here he is again out of sheer desperation. lots of denial among the knick faithful on this point-- bad pun intended.

on a side note: walsh's last move was to draft shumpert and harrellson-- grunwald did not draft either. prior to that walsh drafted fields. someone mentioned that grunwald drafted shumpert and that is just not true.

all of this maneuvering traces itself back to february 2010. there's simply no way around it. it is quite clear that the talent we lost is indeed not so easy to replace and the ensuing chaos makes it even harder. so the acquisition of chandler was necessary ONLY because the team became a chaotic pile of cow patties and he was the best player available as opposed to an upgrade according to a plan. nothing against chandler because i really really like him even if his game is a bit one-sided. but he, like stoudemire, needs a top flight pick and roll point guard in order to be effective on offense. ironic that he was acquired in lieu of such a player.

this is what happens when you make an ill-advised trade and simultaneously scrap a plan. no amount of chest-beating is going to cover it up.

Who was going lead the fight charge with Amare(Walsh's plan??)going down..Gallo??

he is leading the fight charge in denver.....see the article I posted yesterday..

and then you get him help.. the same type of help many of you have been saying carmelo never got over the past 10 years...

and here is the kicker.. gallo isn't on a max deal, so it would have been easy to add a top flight player to help "lead the charge"..

I saw the playoffs last year when he was benched when he team needed him most..Maybe he is leading the charge from behind..the bench..

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:blaming grunwald for this roster is misguided. he is just another one of dolan's mediocre lackeys, along with woodson. woodson is the very definition of mediocre, getting through the regular season with a respectable record only to be annihilated in second round play.

both of these dolan marionettes are trying to clean up the mess dolan created when he tore down walsh's plans.

the knicks prior to melo needed an upgrade at point guard, as was mentioned. felton was and remains inadequate which is why the wise walsh had him on a two-year audition contract. yet here he is again out of sheer desperation. lots of denial among the knick faithful on this point-- bad pun intended.

on a side note: walsh's last move was to draft shumpert and harrellson-- grunwald did not draft either. prior to that walsh drafted fields. someone mentioned that grunwald drafted shumpert and that is just not true.

all of this maneuvering traces itself back to february 2010. there's simply no way around it. it is quite clear that the talent we lost is indeed not so easy to replace and the ensuing chaos makes it even harder. so the acquisition of chandler was necessary ONLY because the team became a chaotic pile of cow patties and he was the best player available as opposed to an upgrade according to a plan. nothing against chandler because i really really like him even if his game is a bit one-sided. but he, like stoudemire, needs a top flight pick and roll point guard in order to be effective on offense. ironic that he was acquired in lieu of such a player.

this is what happens when you make an ill-advised trade and simultaneously scrap a plan. no amount of chest-beating is going to cover it up.

Who was going lead the fight charge with Amare(Walsh's plan??)going down..Gallo??

he is leading the fight charge in denver.....see the article I posted yesterday..

and then you get him help.. the same type of help many of you have been saying carmelo never got over the past 10 years...

and here is the kicker.. gallo isn't on a max deal, so it would have been easy to add a top flight player to help "lead the charge"..

I saw the playoffs last year when he was benched when he team needed him most..Maybe he is leading the charge from behind..the bench..

and sometimes that can happen... guess what I am sure you also saw.... last year playoffs with the knicks..

tell me how that turned out.. with mr... "best pure scorer" leading the charge?

At least he was on the court to engage in a fight...Your guy could not break his own top five on 'his' team...

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:blaming grunwald for this roster is misguided. he is just another one of dolan's mediocre lackeys, along with woodson. woodson is the very definition of mediocre, getting through the regular season with a respectable record only to be annihilated in second round play.

both of these dolan marionettes are trying to clean up the mess dolan created when he tore down walsh's plans.

the knicks prior to melo needed an upgrade at point guard, as was mentioned. felton was and remains inadequate which is why the wise walsh had him on a two-year audition contract. yet here he is again out of sheer desperation. lots of denial among the knick faithful on this point-- bad pun intended.

on a side note: walsh's last move was to draft shumpert and harrellson-- grunwald did not draft either. prior to that walsh drafted fields. someone mentioned that grunwald drafted shumpert and that is just not true.

all of this maneuvering traces itself back to february 2010. there's simply no way around it. it is quite clear that the talent we lost is indeed not so easy to replace and the ensuing chaos makes it even harder. so the acquisition of chandler was necessary ONLY because the team became a chaotic pile of cow patties and he was the best player available as opposed to an upgrade according to a plan. nothing against chandler because i really really like him even if his game is a bit one-sided. but he, like stoudemire, needs a top flight pick and roll point guard in order to be effective on offense. ironic that he was acquired in lieu of such a player.

this is what happens when you make an ill-advised trade and simultaneously scrap a plan. no amount of chest-beating is going to cover it up.

Who was going lead the fight charge with Amare(Walsh's plan??)going down..Gallo??

he is leading the fight charge in denver.....see the article I posted yesterday..

and then you get him help.. the same type of help many of you have been saying carmelo never got over the past 10 years...

and here is the kicker.. gallo isn't on a max deal, so it would have been easy to add a top flight player to help "lead the charge"..

I saw the playoffs last year when he was benched when he team needed him most..Maybe he is leading the charge from behind..the bench..

and sometimes that can happen... guess what I am sure you also saw.... last year playoffs with the knicks..

tell me how that turned out.. with mr... "best pure scorer" leading the charge?

At least he was on the court to engage in a fight...Your guy could not break his own top five on 'his' team...

holfresh.. give up.. you sound crazy... you create a thread bashing the team and then get touchy when people agree and what do people do when they get touchy around here? go after gallo... LOL.. it is sad bro..

But gallo says hi....His team of stallions are rearin to go... he sends his best wishes and a box of geritol for the geezers and midol for melo...

Ha...Funny...Walsh's grand plan...U cats are funny...

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:blaming grunwald for this roster is misguided. he is just another one of dolan's mediocre lackeys, along with woodson. woodson is the very definition of mediocre, getting through the regular season with a respectable record only to be annihilated in second round play.

both of these dolan marionettes are trying to clean up the mess dolan created when he tore down walsh's plans.

the knicks prior to melo needed an upgrade at point guard, as was mentioned. felton was and remains inadequate which is why the wise walsh had him on a two-year audition contract. yet here he is again out of sheer desperation. lots of denial among the knick faithful on this point-- bad pun intended.

on a side note: walsh's last move was to draft shumpert and harrellson-- grunwald did not draft either. prior to that walsh drafted fields. someone mentioned that grunwald drafted shumpert and that is just not true.

all of this maneuvering traces itself back to february 2010. there's simply no way around it. it is quite clear that the talent we lost is indeed not so easy to replace and the ensuing chaos makes it even harder. so the acquisition of chandler was necessary ONLY because the team became a chaotic pile of cow patties and he was the best player available as opposed to an upgrade according to a plan. nothing against chandler because i really really like him even if his game is a bit one-sided. but he, like stoudemire, needs a top flight pick and roll point guard in order to be effective on offense. ironic that he was acquired in lieu of such a player.

this is what happens when you make an ill-advised trade and simultaneously scrap a plan. no amount of chest-beating is going to cover it up.

Who was going lead the fight charge with Amare(Walsh's plan??)going down..Gallo??

he is leading the fight charge in denver.....see the article I posted yesterday..

and then you get him help.. the same type of help many of you have been saying carmelo never got over the past 10 years...

and here is the kicker.. gallo isn't on a max deal, so it would have been easy to add a top flight player to help "lead the charge"..

I saw the playoffs last year when he was benched when he team needed him most..Maybe he is leading the charge from behind..the bench..

and sometimes that can happen... guess what I am sure you also saw.... last year playoffs with the knicks..

tell me how that turned out.. with mr... "best pure scorer" leading the charge?

At least he was on the court to engage in a fight...Your guy could not break his own top five on 'his' team...

holfresh.. give up.. you sound crazy... you create a thread bashing the team and then get touchy when people agree and what do people do when they get touchy around here? go after gallo... LOL.. it is sad bro..

But gallo says hi....His team of stallions are rearin to go... he sends his best wishes and a box of geritol for the geezers and midol for melo...

Ha...Funny...Walsh's grand plan...U cats are funny...

What was Walsh grandplan??

HE was the one that signed A.Stoudimire knowing he had knee issues.

He was the one that brought in the Coach that NEEDED a capable PG to run his magical offense and he never did!! Walsh never signed, traded or drafted a PG for MDA yet he is praised around here like he did something fantastic.

Swishfm3 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:blaming grunwald for this roster is misguided. he is just another one of dolan's mediocre lackeys, along with woodson. woodson is the very definition of mediocre, getting through the regular season with a respectable record only to be annihilated in second round play.

both of these dolan marionettes are trying to clean up the mess dolan created when he tore down walsh's plans.

the knicks prior to melo needed an upgrade at point guard, as was mentioned. felton was and remains inadequate which is why the wise walsh had him on a two-year audition contract. yet here he is again out of sheer desperation. lots of denial among the knick faithful on this point-- bad pun intended.

on a side note: walsh's last move was to draft shumpert and harrellson-- grunwald did not draft either. prior to that walsh drafted fields. someone mentioned that grunwald drafted shumpert and that is just not true.

all of this maneuvering traces itself back to february 2010. there's simply no way around it. it is quite clear that the talent we lost is indeed not so easy to replace and the ensuing chaos makes it even harder. so the acquisition of chandler was necessary ONLY because the team became a chaotic pile of cow patties and he was the best player available as opposed to an upgrade according to a plan. nothing against chandler because i really really like him even if his game is a bit one-sided. but he, like stoudemire, needs a top flight pick and roll point guard in order to be effective on offense. ironic that he was acquired in lieu of such a player.

this is what happens when you make an ill-advised trade and simultaneously scrap a plan. no amount of chest-beating is going to cover it up.

Who was going lead the fight charge with Amare(Walsh's plan??)going down..Gallo??

he is leading the fight charge in denver.....see the article I posted yesterday..

and then you get him help.. the same type of help many of you have been saying carmelo never got over the past 10 years...

and here is the kicker.. gallo isn't on a max deal, so it would have been easy to add a top flight player to help "lead the charge"..

I saw the playoffs last year when he was benched when he team needed him most..Maybe he is leading the charge from behind..the bench..

and sometimes that can happen... guess what I am sure you also saw.... last year playoffs with the knicks..

tell me how that turned out.. with mr... "best pure scorer" leading the charge?

At least he was on the court to engage in a fight...Your guy could not break his own top five on 'his' team...

holfresh.. give up.. you sound crazy... you create a thread bashing the team and then get touchy when people agree and what do people do when they get touchy around here? go after gallo... LOL.. it is sad bro..

But gallo says hi....His team of stallions are rearin to go... he sends his best wishes and a box of geritol for the geezers and midol for melo...

Ha...Funny...Walsh's grand plan...U cats are funny...

What was Walsh grandplan??

HE was the one that signed A.Stoudimire knowing he had knee issues.

He was the one that brought in the Coach that NEEDED a capable PG to run his magical offense and he never did!! Walsh never signed, traded or drafted a PG for MDA yet he is praised around here like he did something fantastic.

WHERE?

MS wrote:Walsh made one big miss at the point guard spot (Jennings, Lawson Holiday)for Hill

He made several strong pics (Douglas, Fields, Shumpert, Harrleson) for where they were positioned

One great signing Mozgov at 3MM is great value

Amare was a miss, but Mike D played him major minutes, perhaps they should have allowed Crawford and Zach to play themselves into more value. But there was at least that ability to make some moves left.

My problem is this. Let's just say we kept the team we had and currently have Crawford-Shumpert-Gallo-Zach-Lee-Chandler-Douglas does that team beat this one? I think the answer is yes. Either way we are likely a one and done, but don't sell a plan, **** up the plan and then expect fans to buy into the fact that we have put together a good team. The Celtics managed to get a number of good players in the draft and free agency and get younger. The Nets are a better team than the Knicks as are the Sixers and Pacers. So that puts us in the 5th slot and that's not even in stone.

He also signed Felton to a two year deal and probably would have kept a pick/young player from the Melo trade that he could use in future trades.
That’s the difference between Walsh and Dolan, Walsh always had a plan B in case plan A didn’t work, Dolan has no plan and this is why he is giving out 3 year contract to 39 years old players.

KnicksFE wrote:

MS wrote:Walsh made one big miss at the point guard spot (Jennings, Lawson Holiday)for Hill

He made several strong pics (Douglas, Fields, Shumpert, Harrleson) for where they were positioned

One great signing Mozgov at 3MM is great value

Amare was a miss, but Mike D played him major minutes, perhaps they should have allowed Crawford and Zach to play themselves into more value. But there was at least that ability to make some moves left.

My problem is this. Let's just say we kept the team we had and currently have Crawford-Shumpert-Gallo-Zach-Lee-Chandler-Douglas does that team beat this one? I think the answer is yes. Either way we are likely a one and done, but don't sell a plan, **** up the plan and then expect fans to buy into the fact that we have put together a good team. The Celtics managed to get a number of good players in the draft and free agency and get younger. The Nets are a better team than the Knicks as are the Sixers and Pacers. So that puts us in the 5th slot and that's not even in stone.

He also signed Felton to a two year deal and probably would have kept a pick/young player from the Melo trade that he could use in future trades.
That’s the difference between Walsh and Dolan, Walsh always had a plan B in case plan A didn’t work, Dolan has no plan and this is why he is giving out 3 year contract to 39 years old players.

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

MS wrote:Walsh made one big miss at the point guard spot (Jennings, Lawson Holiday)for Hill

He made several strong pics (Douglas, Fields, Shumpert, Harrleson) for where they were positioned

One great signing Mozgov at 3MM is great value

Amare was a miss, but Mike D played him major minutes, perhaps they should have allowed Crawford and Zach to play themselves into more value. But there was at least that ability to make some moves left.

My problem is this. Let's just say we kept the team we had and currently have Crawford-Shumpert-Gallo-Zach-Lee-Chandler-Douglas does that team beat this one? I think the answer is yes. Either way we are likely a one and done, but don't sell a plan, **** up the plan and then expect fans to buy into the fact that we have put together a good team. The Celtics managed to get a number of good players in the draft and free agency and get younger. The Nets are a better team than the Knicks as are the Sixers and Pacers. So that puts us in the 5th slot and that's not even in stone.

He also signed Felton to a two year deal and probably would have kept a pick/young player from the Melo trade that he could use in future trades.
That’s the difference between Walsh and Dolan, Walsh always had a plan B in case plan A didn’t work, Dolan has no plan and this is why he is giving out 3 year contract to 39 years old players.

[b]Walsh got raked over the coals in the McGrady trade so I am not sure if he could have kept a pick. Maybe he keeps Moz but I think the first round pick was going to Denver.[/b]

He publicly commented trade remorse on the MrGrady deal

And by keeping Mozgov, the Knicks may have kept Billups and his expiring contract (instead of waving him for Chandler ) and use the cap space on a premier point guard instead, since our center position would have being in some ways cover and less of a need at that point.

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

MS wrote:Walsh made one big miss at the point guard spot (Jennings, Lawson Holiday)for Hill

He made several strong pics (Douglas, Fields, Shumpert, Harrleson) for where they were positioned

One great signing Mozgov at 3MM is great value

Amare was a miss, but Mike D played him major minutes, perhaps they should have allowed Crawford and Zach to play themselves into more value. But there was at least that ability to make some moves left.

My problem is this. Let's just say we kept the team we had and currently have Crawford-Shumpert-Gallo-Zach-Lee-Chandler-Douglas does that team beat this one? I think the answer is yes. Either way we are likely a one and done, but don't sell a plan, **** up the plan and then expect fans to buy into the fact that we have put together a good team. The Celtics managed to get a number of good players in the draft and free agency and get younger. The Nets are a better team than the Knicks as are the Sixers and Pacers. So that puts us in the 5th slot and that's not even in stone.

He also signed Felton to a two year deal and probably would have kept a pick/young player from the Melo trade that he could use in future trades.
That’s the difference between Walsh and Dolan, Walsh always had a plan B in case plan A didn’t work, Dolan has no plan and this is why he is giving out 3 year contract to 39 years old players.

[b]Walsh got raked over the coals in the McGrady trade so I am not sure if he could have kept a pick. Maybe he keeps Moz but I think the first round pick was going to Denver.[/b]

He publicly commented trade remorse on the MrGrady deal

And by keeping Mozgov, the Knicks may have kept Billups and his expiring contract (instead of waving him for Chandler ) and use the cap space on a premier point guard instead, since our center position would have being in some ways cover and less of a need at that point.

Absolutely. He was a throw in that was completely unexpected. He is at least a big body.

Gentlemen..It was a good thing that MDA and the need for an elite PG is no longer here...Defense wins Championships...Pick and roll masters rarely do..Ask the Utah Jazz...

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

MS wrote:Walsh made one big miss at the point guard spot (Jennings, Lawson Holiday)for Hill

He made several strong pics (Douglas, Fields, Shumpert, Harrleson) for where they were positioned

One great signing Mozgov at 3MM is great value

Amare was a miss, but Mike D played him major minutes, perhaps they should have allowed Crawford and Zach to play themselves into more value. But there was at least that ability to make some moves left.

My problem is this. Let's just say we kept the team we had and currently have Crawford-Shumpert-Gallo-Zach-Lee-Chandler-Douglas does that team beat this one? I think the answer is yes. Either way we are likely a one and done, but don't sell a plan, **** up the plan and then expect fans to buy into the fact that we have put together a good team. The Celtics managed to get a number of good players in the draft and free agency and get younger. The Nets are a better team than the Knicks as are the Sixers and Pacers. So that puts us in the 5th slot and that's not even in stone.

He also signed Felton to a two year deal and probably would have kept a pick/young player from the Melo trade that he could use in future trades.
That’s the difference between Walsh and Dolan, Walsh always had a plan B in case plan A didn’t work, Dolan has no plan and this is why he is giving out 3 year contract to 39 years old players.

[b]Walsh got raked over the coals in the McGrady trade so I am not sure if he could have kept a pick. Maybe he keeps Moz but I think the first round pick was going to Denver.[/b]

He publicly commented trade remorse on the MrGrady deal

And by keeping Mozgov, the Knicks may have kept Billups and his expiring contract (instead of waving him for Chandler ) and use the cap space on a premier point guard instead, since our center position would have being in some ways cover and less of a need at that point.

Absolutely. He was a throw in that was completely unexpected. He is at least a big body.

Gentlemen..It was a good thing that MDA and the need for an elite PG is no longer here...Defense wins Championships...Pick and roll masters rarely do..Ask the Utah Jazz...

Who's talking about pick and roll? I said a premier point guard, some one that can allow Melo and Stat to play effectively without having to force shots. Which I don't think we currently have.