gunsnewing wrote:The funny thing is the Knicks missed out on the one guy who all fans all agreed on in Lebron. Now by going after Amare and Melo you created a huge split in the fanbase.

On the Dolan issue. He is the sole reason our gm's can't rebuild properly, Like I said earlier Dolan pressures them into making bad trades at the expense of young talent and picks in order to get the fair weather fans in the seat and create a buzz with players with bloated contracts and castoffs. In 30yrs when Dolan's health dissipates the Knicks might be able to build a true title contender

Back in 2009 i thought we would get wade and lebron since we were finally clearing cap space and i thought after all the years of suffering we were gonna be a top team again. Obviously since im a mets/jets/knicks fan i never seem to have good luck lol

ChuckBuck wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Common thread here is Dolan. Awful draft picks the past 12yrs. The few good ones he traded away for bloated outcasts etc. The need to create buzz and fill the seats with fair whether new york fans has destroyed this franchise. Ewing made us competitve if not for him it would be 40yrs of possibily the worst basketball by any team

Dolan doesn't draft. Dude could barely speak in public, you're giving him too much credit!

Once in awhile, you need to take the blinders off. If you don't think Dolan is the cause then you are kidding yourself.

castoffs?
You're honestly telling me James Dolan is in the war room in June making the picks? I severely doubt it. Too much homework involved, not enough guesswork!

If that's the case, bravo on Iman Shumpert, Dolan! Great pick. Finished 5th in Rookie of the Year voting!

What difference is a draft pick going to make when the gm under pressure from Dolan is going to be forced to trade them for other teams castoffs? Like Amare, melo, marbury, crawford, curry, francis etc?

IrishKnickFan wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:The funny thing is the Knicks missed out on the one guy who all fans all agreed on in Lebron. Now by going after Amare and Melo you created a huge split in the fanbase.

On the Dolan issue. He is the sole reason our gm's can't rebuild properly, Like I said earlier Dolan pressures them into making bad trades at the expense of young talent and picks in order to get the fair weather fans in the seat and create a buzz with players with bloated contracts and castoffs. In 30yrs when Dolan's health dissipates the Knicks might be able to build a true title contender

Back in 2009 i thought we would get wade and lebron since we were finally clearing cap space and i thought after all the years of suffering we were gonna be a top team again. Obviously since im a mets/jets/knicks fan i never seem to have good luck lol

if you're a knicks fan all we have left is fighting each other after watching getting our asses handed to us in the playoffs or failing to make them at all.

btw turns out that Larry Brown was right about Ariza being delusional/chucker.

Pringles was not the only one who thought Randolph and Darko sucked. Let's pick at all the old scabs!

When your undisciplined and reach for instant gratification you fall short.

You end up looking up!

Knicks go for style over substance.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:First MDA, then Jordan Hill, then Amare Stoudemire...

Blunder after Blunder! Of course he should take the high road!

Lamenting on Jordan HIll is comical.

Owner gives directive to GM. GM fulfils owners directive. Get over it. Jordan Hill got a bad back.

If you choose to be a knick fan this is how it goes. Stars play in NY because thats what fans want.

BLaming walsh for Amare? Wow! You think if Donnie was not here Amare would not have come? You THink We'd just hold on to the Cap space until something opened up?

We got more out of Donnie in this article than anyone in MSG dare to even discuss.

On the "High Road" men take responsability and understand the job is not always without its mistakes. Fans can always in hindsight point to what went wrong. In sports, it happens. Follow other teams and they blunder as well. Even the best ones.

Every team has regrets many times. Sometimes you get a gift like Lin and it it works out. Maybe the decision to let him walk for that price proves to be correct. Or not. Time will tell.

Seems to me the one constant is Dolan and like most NBA teams they set the agenda. I don't blame Layden, Donnie or Grunny for the big moves we make or don't. Isiah had a lot of pull with the owner so he contributed to our decline.

I'm not blaming Walsh for Jordan Hill's back, I'm blaming Walsh for picking Jordan Hill over the bajillion point guards in the draft!

lets get the history straight:

roster flush for 2 years in anticipation of landing lebron james in summer 2010.

hill was the draft class of 2009 a whole year earlier.

the knicks were angling for steph curry, who got snatched up. that left a shot at jennings who is not a d'antoni point guard besides being a fool. no way walsh takes jennings. after that lawson is far away at 17 and if you want to blame walsh then maybe you say you should take a shot at lawson.

but if you are gunning for lebron then you wonder what point there would be in trying to get a d'antoni style point guard. you have lebron.

the real issue is after curry is gone who is the most talented player left in the top 12 or so who can work best within d'antoni's offense?

dk7th wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:First MDA, then Jordan Hill, then Amare Stoudemire...

Blunder after Blunder! Of course he should take the high road!

Lamenting on Jordan HIll is comical.

Owner gives directive to GM. GM fulfils owners directive. Get over it. Jordan Hill got a bad back.

If you choose to be a knick fan this is how it goes. Stars play in NY because thats what fans want.

BLaming walsh for Amare? Wow! You think if Donnie was not here Amare would not have come? You THink We'd just hold on to the Cap space until something opened up?

We got more out of Donnie in this article than anyone in MSG dare to even discuss.

On the "High Road" men take responsability and understand the job is not always without its mistakes. Fans can always in hindsight point to what went wrong. In sports, it happens. Follow other teams and they blunder as well. Even the best ones.

Every team has regrets many times. Sometimes you get a gift like Lin and it it works out. Maybe the decision to let him walk for that price proves to be correct. Or not. Time will tell.

Seems to me the one constant is Dolan and like most NBA teams they set the agenda. I don't blame Layden, Donnie or Grunny for the big moves we make or don't. Isiah had a lot of pull with the owner so he contributed to our decline.

I'm not blaming Walsh for Jordan Hill's back, I'm blaming Walsh for picking Jordan Hill over the bajillion point guards in the draft!

lets get the history straight:

roster flush for 2 years in anticipation of landing lebron james in summer 2010.

hill was the draft class of 2009 a whole year earlier.

the knicks were angling for steph curry, who got snatched up. that left a shot at jennings who is not a d'antoni point guard besides being a fool. no way walsh takes jennings. after that lawson is far away at 17 and if you want to blame walsh then maybe you say you should take a shot at lawson.

but if you are gunning for lebron then you wonder what point there would be in trying to get a d'antoni style point guard. you have lebron.

the real issue is after curry is gone who is the most talented player left in the top 12 or so who can work best within d'antoni's offense?

So your excuse for not picking a point guard is Lebron? He's going to play point guard, small forward, coach etc LOLOL.

The Knicks had a need for a point guard, Walsh struck out on Curry, so what does he do...he's picks a Power Forward project!

Don't give me "D'Antoni Style Point Guard". He was able to wring 7 assists a game from Chris Duhon. Walsh phucked up plain and simple. He gave D'Antoni Jordan Hill, a guy who he couldn't even work with or give minutes to.

Passing on Brandon Jennings, Jrue Holliday, Ty Lawson, Jeff Teague, Eric Maynor, Darren Collison, Rodrigue Beaubois is all on Donnie Walsh. Hey at least he got Toney Douglas at 29!

Nalod wrote:Don't matter, he was traded.

Point guards take time to develope. Jennings was quick out of the gate but not the other guys.

They would have been traded also. It was a salary dump. Hill was here how long?

It would be nice if D'Antoni had a use for Hill, but he never even played him. That's a whole other thread!

Most of point guards I listed needed about a year or 2 seasoning. Bet they could've run a Pick and Roll...

dk7th wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

dk7th wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:First MDA, then Jordan Hill, then Amare Stoudemire...

Blunder after Blunder! Of course he should take the high road!

Lamenting on Jordan HIll is comical.

Owner gives directive to GM. GM fulfils owners directive. Get over it. Jordan Hill got a bad back.

If you choose to be a knick fan this is how it goes. Stars play in NY because thats what fans want.

BLaming walsh for Amare? Wow! You think if Donnie was not here Amare would not have come? You THink We'd just hold on to the Cap space until something opened up?

We got more out of Donnie in this article than anyone in MSG dare to even discuss.

On the "High Road" men take responsability and understand the job is not always without its mistakes. Fans can always in hindsight point to what went wrong. In sports, it happens. Follow other teams and they blunder as well. Even the best ones.

Every team has regrets many times. Sometimes you get a gift like Lin and it it works out. Maybe the decision to let him walk for that price proves to be correct. Or not. Time will tell.

Seems to me the one constant is Dolan and like most NBA teams they set the agenda. I don't blame Layden, Donnie or Grunny for the big moves we make or don't. Isiah had a lot of pull with the owner so he contributed to our decline.

I'm not blaming Walsh for Jordan Hill's back, I'm blaming Walsh for picking Jordan Hill over the bajillion point guards in the draft!

lets get the history straight:

roster flush for 2 years in anticipation of landing lebron james in summer 2010.

hill was the draft class of 2009 a whole year earlier.

the knicks were angling for steph curry, who got snatched up. that left a shot at jennings who is not a d'antoni point guard besides being a fool. no way walsh takes jennings. after that lawson is far away at 17 and if you want to blame walsh then maybe you say you should take a shot at lawson.

but if you are gunning for lebron then you wonder what point there would be in trying to get a d'antoni style point guard. you have lebron.

the real issue is after curry is gone who is the most talented player left in the top 12 or so who can work best within d'antoni's offense?

So your excuse for not picking a point guard is Lebron? He's going to play point guard, small forward, coach etc LOLOL.

The Knicks had a need for a point guard, Walsh struck out on Curry, so what does he do...he's picks a Power Forward project!

Don't give me "D'Antoni Style Point Guard". He was able to wring 7 assists a game from Chris Duhon. Walsh phucked up plain and simple. He gave D'Antoni Jordan Hill, a guy who he couldn't even work with or give minutes to.

Passing on Brandon Jennings, Jrue Holliday, Ty Lawson, Jeff Teague, Eric Maynor, Darren Collison, Rodrigue Beaubois is all on Donnie Walsh. Hey at least he got Toney Douglas at 29!

hey i wanted lawson and thought walsh made a mistake there but historically how often does an eighth pick get used for a player 10 slots lower? jennings was not going to get drafted by walsh and i don't think passing on jennings was a mistake either. realistically walsh could have dipped 5 slots lower, availing himself of hansbrough, derozan, terrence williams, and henderson.

perspective: shabeet is a totla bust and flynn just got waived.

Walsh could have conceivably traded down or up. Maybe if he trades up, we get Rubio, or down we get someone like Lawson. Either way, he could've done much better than a project. Believe we still had David Lee, so not sure why Walsh felt the need to draft another PF. Point Guard was always a need, and was never addressed.