tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:Obviously written well before the pre-season started...

AS IT SHOULD BE.. OR are you telling me they should put a lot of stock in pre-season games?

or are you saying after these stunning two preseason wins he should now change his tune to 55 wins?

Well yeah...I'm actually looking at Felton and think he is key to what we want to do this season...He has run an efficiently offense thus far and more importantly he is in shape...I think that was a big question mark going in...Now let's get Melo, Amare, Chandler and Felton on the same page...Let's rock this motha...I'm pumped...What's huge is that we will be playing defense as a team...If u saw the end of last season, we won games we usually lost because our defensive intensity was much higher...I'm looking at a 50 win team in my opinion...

a reasonable analyst and journalist should not be making real observations based on pre-season.. if felton is key and you want someone to drastically change their view of your team, then felton needs to be burning through preseason, and he just hasn't... again, even if felton sucked, I would not take so much from preseason...

tell me, how many wins did you have the warriors having this year? 30-35? well they are 3-1, denver is 3-0, the kings are 2-0.. what should we take from that? miami is 1-2, boston is 1-3, are they slippin?

so far in 2 games, felton is average 7/7 and shooting 31%.... last year deron williams aveaged 21/8 shot 40% and someone (i forgot who) said that was Horrendous...

go figure.. right? felton is not playing that well bro..

Now when you take that high level of PG play and mix it with a bevy of talented finishers that's a good recipe for success IMO. I don't get all the doubt and complaining some people are getting into. What else could we do as a franchise? There are limited resources, but I think they used them about as well as anyone could expect. Just look at all the vets we have in the prime of their careers:

Melo, STAT, Tyson, Felton, Brewer, JR, Shumpert, Novak. So most of our 10 man rotation for the playoffs would be guys that are primed for bigtime performance and experienced. Then you've got super vets behind them like Kidd, Camby, KT, Priggy and maybe Wallace. Because this team is so deep they can preserve guys for the playoffs. We won't have to burn anyone out.

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:Obviously written well before the pre-season started...

AS IT SHOULD BE.. OR are you telling me they should put a lot of stock in pre-season games?

or are you saying after these stunning two preseason wins he should now change his tune to 55 wins?

Well yeah...I'm actually looking at Felton and think he is key to what we want to do this season...He has run an efficiently offense thus far and more importantly he is in shape...I think that was a big question mark going in...Now let's get Melo, Amare, Chandler and Felton on the same page...Let's rock this motha...I'm pumped...What's huge is that we will be playing defense as a team...If u saw the end of last season, we won games we usually lost because our defensive intensity was much higher...I'm looking at a 50 win team in my opinion...

a reasonable analyst and journalist should not be making real observations based on pre-season.. if felton is key and you want someone to drastically change their view of your team, then felton needs to be burning through preseason, and he just hasn't... again, even if felton sucked, I would not take so much from preseason...

tell me, how many wins did you have the warriors having this year? 30-35? well they are 3-1, denver is 3-0, the kings are 2-0.. what should we take from that? miami is 1-2, boston is 1-3, are they slippin?

so far in 2 games, felton is average 7/7 and shooting 31%.... last year deron williams aveaged 21/8 shot 40% and someone (i forgot who) said that was Horrendous...

go figure.. right? felton is not playing that well bro..

Come now son, you have been watching basketball for some time now..At least I have that impression...Preseason isn't about wins and losses, it's about getting in basketball shape...Felton is there...He was throwing the alley hoops that you thought only Lin could do...Felton was in command of the offense, huge...It's what we need...We are seeing glimpses of what could be...Now we will spend the next two or three months establishing an offensive identity behind our defense...It won't happen day one or even a month into the season...This is about finding a way to win as a team, it isn't about individual accolades...

good point.. so then why do you so strongly cosign the carmelo trade that shredded this team of talent and picks.. at team that was establishing an identity.. you see son, it is so easy to throw out these cliche's another thing to truly mean it... I have seen enough of felton to know and understand that by mid season you will be screaming another tune... either that or lying to yourself about him and this team........ still..

Name the talent we lost...Gallo, 15 pt per game guy??...Will the same??..We were a .500 team with them...Amare and Felton were our two best players that year...Are we not better now than we were before the trade??...Felton was awesome last time he was here..Borderline all star...I'm not sure why u think I would change my tune...He was beloved last time he was here...I really don't get where the Felton dislike comes from, well I do get it , but it makes no sense....

GREAT ok, lets talk about record first of all that team was 28-26 that is above .500, not .500.... with carmelo we finished the season 36-30, we know carmelo missed most of linsanity, we know he didn't play during that 8-1 stretch, actually he played 65 minutes of that utah game.... so if you factor that in to the overall record with melo we are 28-29 and the year prior to when we made this "ridiculous"trade we were 14-14 with melo... add that up... that is 42-43 below .500

And lets not bring felton into this.. I really don't like or dislike felton, what I don't like is how you guys are now hyping him up in a feeble attempt to downplay letting lin go.....

What's actually crazy is that I really think you believe this stuff you are writing, unlike most others, who is spinning arguments off pure hate...What can I say, If you can't see it, you just can't see it...I'm not hyping Felton, last time here he was a borderline All Star...He had Amare playing like the MVP...Lin has never run an offense in the NBA the way Felton has first go-round here even during Linsanity...Lin was mostly scoring during Linsanity...He was also having horrible games during that run but Knicks some how won off great defense by Shump or other players...But U never saw that, in you mind it was all Lin...I'm not looking for that out of Felton this time around...I just want to see him get Amare and Melo playing together...I like what I saw from the few games in preseason..But hey, you think Lin can do more than what happened in Linsanity, we shall see in Houston...My bet is Felton can run a better offense and we all have witnessed it...No hype, its a fact...

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jrodmc wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:Obviously written well before the pre-season started...

AS IT SHOULD BE.. OR are you telling me they should put a lot of stock in pre-season games?

or are you saying after these stunning two preseason wins he should now change his tune to 55 wins?

Well yeah...I'm actually looking at Felton and think he is key to what we want to do this season...He has run an efficiently offense thus far and more importantly he is in shape...I think that was a big question mark going in...Now let's get Melo, Amare, Chandler and Felton on the same page...Let's rock this motha...I'm pumped...What's huge is that we will be playing defense as a team...If u saw the end of last season, we won games we usually lost because our defensive intensity was much higher...I'm looking at a 50 win team in my opinion...

a reasonable analyst and journalist should not be making real observations based on pre-season.. if felton is key and you want someone to drastically change their view of your team, then felton needs to be burning through preseason, and he just hasn't... again, even if felton sucked, I would not take so much from preseason...

tell me, how many wins did you have the warriors having this year? 30-35? well they are 3-1, denver is 3-0, the kings are 2-0.. what should we take from that? miami is 1-2, boston is 1-3, are they slippin?

so far in 2 games, felton is average 7/7 and shooting 31%.... last year deron williams aveaged 21/8 shot 40% and someone (i forgot who) said that was Horrendous...

go figure.. right? felton is not playing that well bro..

Come now son, you have been watching basketball for some time now..At least I have that impression...Preseason isn't about wins and losses, it's about getting in basketball shape...Felton is there...He was throwing the alley hoops that you thought only Lin could do...Felton was in command of the offense, huge...It's what we need...We are seeing glimpses of what could be...Now we will spend the next two or three months establishing an offensive identity behind our defense...It won't happen day one or even a month into the season...This is about finding a way to win as a team, it isn't about individual accolades...

good point.. so then why do you so strongly cosign the carmelo trade that shredded this team of talent and picks.. at team that was establishing an identity.. you see son, it is so easy to throw out these cliche's another thing to truly mean it... I have seen enough of felton to know and understand that by mid season you will be screaming another tune... either that or lying to yourself about him and this team........ still..

Name the talent we lost...Gallo, 15 pt per game guy??...Will the same??..We were a .500 team with them...Amare and Felton were our two best players that year...Are we not better now than we were before the trade??...Felton was awesome last time he was here..Borderline all star...I'm not sure why u think I would change my tune...He was beloved last time he was here...I really don't get where the Felton dislike comes from, well I do get it , but it makes no sense....

GREAT ok, lets talk about record first of all that team was 28-26 that is above .500, not .500.... with carmelo we finished the season 36-30, we know carmelo missed most of linsanity, we know he didn't play during that 8-1 stretch, actually he played 65 minutes of that utah game.... so if you factor that in to the overall record with melo we are 28-29 and the year prior to when we made this "ridiculous"trade we were 14-14 with melo... add that up... that is 42-43 below .500

And lets not bring felton into this.. I really don't like or dislike felton, what I don't like is how you guys are now hyping him up in a feeble attempt to downplay letting lin go.....

28 games pre trade

12-16

final 28 games - post trade

14-14

Priceless!

This post doesn't make any sense....

The team prior to the Melo trade was 28-26 after 54gms since then Melo had played approximately 85gms give or take 2-3gms and the team overall record is 42-43.

So with a 31gm difference between 1 team compared to two different Melo led teams and 2 off-seasons of moves I guess the pre-trade team wasn't going get better. Which means none of you had any confidence in that team or mgmt to improve it going forward.

Now ask yourself how is that any different than how current fans who aren't feeling this team feel?

Math is math. Numbers don't lie. And if we wanted to makes excuses there were a couple to be made for the first team but I won't because I don't make excuses as a fan.

The team prior to the trade was in a downward spiral - if you don't choose to remember that, thats fine. Amare was spent.

+1

No No No!!!! We were playing beautiful basketball! Stat was broken down from playing 68 minutes a game at the 5 sure, but that's okay, we were going to make the playoffs and possibly make a run! And we were then going to draft incredibly well and we'd all be sitting here shining the Larry O'Brien and shytting rainbows!

So that means last year you guys were licking your chops for Dec 15th to come soon enough to trade either Melo or Amar'e because that team was going nowhere pre Linsanity..

Oh wait let's not give too much credit to Lin here been there done that right but what was it fans were pining for...

Oh that's right firing D'Antoni. Well who was coaching the other team that still managed to be 2gms over .500 not 1 game below despite players breaking down, despite trade rumors, despite no FATHER FIGURE on the bench, despite no Shumpert, despite NO SUPERSTAR, despite no go to clutch PURE SCORER?

Like I said 31gms later and 2 off-seasons worth of moves you Loyal Lobbyist feel that the team was never going to be good. Agenda Much

djsunyc wrote:why the nets and the heat are better postseason teams than the knicks (if everyone is healthy):

they both possess 2 players that can play make and create for others. they both have 2 guys that can run the pick and roll and make defenses have to adjust. the knicks do not have a reliable play maker to break defenses down when the game is on the line. lebron + wade do that. deron + jj do that.

so the knicks must overcome that with tremendous defense and must get contributions from everyone on the roster. they must play the game like the dallas mavericks (who really faced a lebron that was not ready to lead.) defense from all players and hope, as a unit, the team can hit timely baskets.

the celtics are still better constructed for the postseason b/c they still have a guy that can attack at will with rondo.

melo is a scorer but doesn't create for others (think dirk)...he is not one to take it at the top, dribble drive and find others. he is the one that scores the basket. he is this generations nique. and the player that doesn't really fit into either the mavericks or celtics model is amare. doesn't provide defense and needs to be the pick and roll man.

the # of wins in the regular season doesn't really mean too much with this squad.

just my 2 cents. and yes, chalk this cameo up to being bored as hell at work.

OK fair enough, but when the game is on the line...Who do u want to have the ball with five seconds left...Melo, JJ, DWill,Bron or Wade??...Does that count for anything??

djsunyc wrote:why the nets and the heat are better postseason teams than the knicks (if everyone is healthy):

they both possess 2 players that can play make and create for others. they both have 2 guys that can run the pick and roll and make defenses have to adjust. the knicks do not have a reliable play maker to break defenses down when the game is on the line. lebron + wade do that. deron + jj do that.

so the knicks must overcome that with tremendous defense and must get contributions from everyone on the roster. they must play the game like the dallas mavericks (who really faced a lebron that was not ready to lead.) defense from all players and hope, as a unit, the team can hit timely baskets.

the celtics are still better constructed for the postseason b/c they still have a guy that can attack at will with rondo.

melo is a scorer but doesn't create for others (think dirk)...he is not one to take it at the top, dribble drive and find others. he is the one that scores the basket. he is this generations nique. and the player that doesn't really fit into either the mavericks or celtics model is amare. doesn't provide defense and needs to be the pick and roll man.

the # of wins in the regular season doesn't really mean too much with this squad.

just my 2 cents. and yes, chalk this cameo up to being bored as hell at work.

why would you put the nets in that conversation they have eben horrible for a few years now. i dont care who they got they still have a ton to prove before they are considered better postseason team than the knicks

holfresh wrote:

djsunyc wrote:why the nets and the heat are better postseason teams than the knicks (if everyone is healthy):

they both possess 2 players that can play make and create for others. they both have 2 guys that can run the pick and roll and make defenses have to adjust. the knicks do not have a reliable play maker to break defenses down when the game is on the line. lebron + wade do that. deron + jj do that.

so the knicks must overcome that with tremendous defense and must get contributions from everyone on the roster. they must play the game like the dallas mavericks (who really faced a lebron that was not ready to lead.) defense from all players and hope, as a unit, the team can hit timely baskets.

the celtics are still better constructed for the postseason b/c they still have a guy that can attack at will with rondo.

melo is a scorer but doesn't create for others (think dirk)...he is not one to take it at the top, dribble drive and find others. he is the one that scores the basket. he is this generations nique. and the player that doesn't really fit into either the mavericks or celtics model is amare. doesn't provide defense and needs to be the pick and roll man.

the # of wins in the regular season doesn't really mean too much with this squad.

just my 2 cents. and yes, chalk this cameo up to being bored as hell at work.

OK fair enough, but when the game is on the line...Who do u want to have the ball with five seconds left...Melo, JJ, DWill,Bron or Wade??...Does that count for anything??

last second shots are last second shots. jordan hit a ton of them but i also remember games won with paxson, kerr and armstrong hitting open jumpers as well. melo can hit them but if need be, he won't be passing off to paxson/kerr/bj.

game being on the line could be midway through the 4th quarter. who will lift the play of his teammates?

on paper, that's how i see it. knicks could finish with the best record in the regular season but ultimately, won't be able to get to the finals (barring injury). there's nothing wrong with that, playoff advancement is a good thing but title expectation need to be tempered. at best, the could be like the bulls with a healthy rose.

djsunyc wrote:

holfresh wrote:

djsunyc wrote:why the nets and the heat are better postseason teams than the knicks (if everyone is healthy):

they both possess 2 players that can play make and create for others. they both have 2 guys that can run the pick and roll and make defenses have to adjust. the knicks do not have a reliable play maker to break defenses down when the game is on the line. lebron + wade do that. deron + jj do that.

so the knicks must overcome that with tremendous defense and must get contributions from everyone on the roster. they must play the game like the dallas mavericks (who really faced a lebron that was not ready to lead.) defense from all players and hope, as a unit, the team can hit timely baskets.

the celtics are still better constructed for the postseason b/c they still have a guy that can attack at will with rondo.

melo is a scorer but doesn't create for others (think dirk)...he is not one to take it at the top, dribble drive and find others. he is the one that scores the basket. he is this generations nique. and the player that doesn't really fit into either the mavericks or celtics model is amare. doesn't provide defense and needs to be the pick and roll man.

the # of wins in the regular season doesn't really mean too much with this squad.

just my 2 cents. and yes, chalk this cameo up to being bored as hell at work.

OK fair enough, but when the game is on the line...Who do u want to have the ball with five seconds left...Melo, JJ, DWill,Bron or Wade??...Does that count for anything??

last second shots are last second shots. jordan hit a ton of them but i also remember games won with paxson, kerr and armstrong hitting open jumpers as well. melo can hit them but if need be, he won't be passing off to paxson/kerr/bj.

game being on the line could be midway through the 4th quarter. who will lift the play of his teammates?

on paper, that's how i see it. knicks could finish with the best record in the regular season but ultimately, won't be able to get to the finals (barring injury). there's nothing wrong with that, playoff advancement is a good thing but title expectation need to be tempered. at best, the could be like the bulls with a healthy rose.

I knew you'd be back!!!!!!!!

djsunyc wrote:why the nets and the heat are better postseason teams than the knicks (if everyone is healthy):

they both possess 2 players that can play make and create for others. they both have 2 guys that can run the pick and roll and make defenses have to adjust. the knicks do not have a reliable play maker to break defenses down when the game is on the line. lebron + wade do that. deron + jj do that.

so the knicks must overcome that with tremendous defense and must get contributions from everyone on the roster. they must play the game like the dallas mavericks (who really faced a lebron that was not ready to lead.) defense from all players and hope, as a unit, the team can hit timely baskets.

the celtics are still better constructed for the postseason b/c they still have a guy that can attack at will with rondo.

melo is a scorer but doesn't create for others (think dirk)...he is not one to take it at the top, dribble drive and find others. he is the one that scores the basket. he is this generations nique. and the player that doesn't really fit into either the mavericks or celtics model is amare. doesn't provide defense and needs to be the pick and roll man.

the # of wins in the regular season doesn't really mean too much with this squad.

just my 2 cents. and yes, chalk this cameo up to being bored as hell at work.

Look who crawled out from under BedRock

Hey dj Terrence Ross may have some game in him....he's a little trigger happy but once he finds his nitch I think it'll be a nice pick-up. Toronto is an intriguing team

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

djsunyc wrote:why the nets and the heat are better postseason teams than the knicks (if everyone is healthy):

they both possess 2 players that can play make and create for others. they both have 2 guys that can run the pick and roll and make defenses have to adjust. the knicks do not have a reliable play maker to break defenses down when the game is on the line. lebron + wade do that. deron + jj do that.

so the knicks must overcome that with tremendous defense and must get contributions from everyone on the roster. they must play the game like the dallas mavericks (who really faced a lebron that was not ready to lead.) defense from all players and hope, as a unit, the team can hit timely baskets.

the celtics are still better constructed for the postseason b/c they still have a guy that can attack at will with rondo.

melo is a scorer but doesn't create for others (think dirk)...he is not one to take it at the top, dribble drive and find others. he is the one that scores the basket. he is this generations nique. and the player that doesn't really fit into either the mavericks or celtics model is amare. doesn't provide defense and needs to be the pick and roll man.

the # of wins in the regular season doesn't really mean too much with this squad.

just my 2 cents. and yes, chalk this cameo up to being bored as hell at work.

OK fair enough, but when the game is on the line...Who do u want to have the ball with five seconds left...Melo, JJ, DWill,Bron or Wade??...Does that count for anything??

I like when my team plays games that aren't on the line. Most games are won by teams not on the line

EXACTLY.... I don't trade my team for so called stars to have the game on the line... I trade for that type of player to sipping gatorade on the sidelines as the clock winds down and the score in our favor..

but if it came down to it.. i will put the ball in lebron's or wades hands, no problem.... there a quite a few guys in this league who are capable shot makers as the clock winds down.... heck add ginobili and of course kobe to that list as well as pierce and durant.....again another overrating factor used to defend carmelo...

djsunyc wrote:why the nets and the heat are better postseason teams than the knicks (if everyone is healthy):

they both possess 2 players that can play make and create for others. they both have 2 guys that can run the pick and roll and make defenses have to adjust. the knicks do not have a reliable play maker to break defenses down when the game is on the line. lebron + wade do that. deron + jj do that.

so the knicks must overcome that with tremendous defense and must get contributions from everyone on the roster. they must play the game like the dallas mavericks (who really faced a lebron that was not ready to lead.) defense from all players and hope, as a unit, the team can hit timely baskets.

the celtics are still better constructed for the postseason b/c they still have a guy that can attack at will with rondo.

melo is a scorer but doesn't create for others (think dirk)...he is not one to take it at the top, dribble drive and find others. he is the one that scores the basket. he is this generations nique. and the player that doesn't really fit into either the mavericks or celtics model is amare. doesn't provide defense and needs to be the pick and roll man.

the # of wins in the regular season doesn't really mean too much with this squad.

just my 2 cents. and yes, chalk this cameo up to being bored as hell at work.

Welcome back. You haven't really missed much.