VCoug wrote:

FeltonandAmare wrote:

Vmart wrote:Here we go the injuries should start to pile up pretty fast for the Knicks. Was there ever a doubt that Camby wouldn't get hurt. That was his career as a Knick injured and it seems like he is going to continue right where he left off.

They always said this about the Celtics. Rookies don't win in this league. Relax.

The Celtics big three plus PJ Brown were all older but that ignores the valuable contributions they got from Rondi, Perkins, Powe, and Big Baby all of who were very young during their title run. Who are the young corresponding young guys on our team?

Ahhhh Ahh Ahhh don't forget

Tony Allen(you know probably the first Shumpert). Don't forget Allen/Pierce/Garnett were 31/32yrs(only like 2-3yrs older than Melo/Chandler/Amar'e not 38/39/40) factoring heavily on team success. With exception to K.G.(as Paul and Ray played college basketball for a couple yrs)..... we also have to keep in mind not yrs of age but mileage. Amar'e and Melo coming into the league at 18/19yrs of age. This makes them older than what they are.

Let's not forget Boston won 66gms that season, so are we saying Knicks are braced for a 60win season too?

Novak drains three's better than most players shoot from the field. 47 percent. He is the best sniper in the league. tkf labels that as "not that good"?

"not that good" as what?

C'mon Son!

knickscity wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

misterearl wrote:IrishKnickFan - so you are saying that other than dunking in people's faces and protecting the paint, Tyson Chandler is not that good?

No i was talking about Novak. When did i ever mention Tyson? I love Tyson in fact i feel he is the captain. I also love Novak but i was just saying that his defense needs work. Misterearl i was agreeing with YOU

what it seems he is saying is does being one dimensional equals not that good?

exactly... he is good at shooting threes... that's it.. he is not even good at getting open, I guess I should use the miami series to highlight how he could not get many shots off.. I mean that is fair, we used one miami game to define lin's entire career.. right?

misterearl wrote:IrishKnick - When tkf drops Steve Novak is "not that good" it is not only less factorial than most comments, it is downright arrogant in its dismissive flair.

Novak drains three's better than most players shoot from the field. 47 percent. He is the best sniper in the league. tkf labels that as "not that good"?

"not that good" as what?

C'mon Son!

How about, he's not a complete player? You not only have to score, but prevent your opponent from scoring to win games.

IrishKnickFan wrote:

misterearl wrote:IrishKnick - When tkf drops Steve Novak is "not that good" it is not only less factorial than most comments, it is downright arrogant in its dismissive flair.

Novak drains three's better than most players shoot from the field. 47 percent. He is the best sniper in the league. tkf labels that as "not that good"?

"not that good" as what?

C'mon Son!

Once again i am agreeing with YOU. I mean what dont you get about that.

IrishKnicksFan - please note the comments were directed at tkf, not you.

misterearl wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

misterearl wrote:IrishKnick - When tkf drops Steve Novak is "not that good" it is not only less factorial than most comments, it is downright arrogant in its dismissive flair.

Novak drains three's better than most players shoot from the field. 47 percent. He is the best sniper in the league. tkf labels that as "not that good"?

"not that good" as what?

C'mon Son!

Once again i am agreeing with YOU. I mean what dont you get about that.

IrishKnicksFan - please note the comments were directed at tkf, not you.

ok i thought you were since you were quoting me but my mistake

tkf wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

Panos wrote:

misterearl wrote:IrishKnick - When tkf drops Steve Novak is "not that good" it is not only less factorial than most comments, it is downright arrogant in its dismissive flair.

Novak drains three's better than most players shoot from the field. 47 percent. He is the best sniper in the league. tkf labels that as "not that good"?

"not that good" as what?

C'mon Son!

How about, he's not a complete player? You not only have to score, but prevent your opponent from scoring to win games.

Thank You Panos finally someone is thinking lol. I love Novak he is the best 3 point shooter in the game. But he is not a complete player on both sides of the courts. Now this doesnt mean he is "not that good" it just means that he has stregnths and weaknesses just like every nba player

IRISHKnicksfan, you seem like a pretty fair guy... let me ask you this..

is novak even an adequate defender? be honest here.. I don't think he is even adequate.

is novak even a decent passer? again be honest

is novak a decent rebounder?

Does novak move well without the ball?

I think an honest assesment will tell you that he is not really decent in any of these areas.. what he is tho, is a deadly three point shooter.... he does nothing else.. that dosen't make him a scrub, or bad, just "not that good" as a player... you can't be very good doing one thing and really bad in other areas, and be a "good" player... because if you are "not that good" then what are you?

Novak is a role player. His sole job / role is to provide spacing and hit open threes. Novak is great / perfect for his role. No one ever said Novak is a good all around player. He is not. Rather, people are saying Novak is great at his role. You are presenting a straw-man argument.

IrishKnickFan wrote:

tkf wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

Panos wrote:

misterearl wrote:IrishKnick - When tkf drops Steve Novak is "not that good" it is not only less factorial than most comments, it is downright arrogant in its dismissive flair.

Novak drains three's better than most players shoot from the field. 47 percent. He is the best sniper in the league. tkf labels that as "not that good"?

"not that good" as what?

C'mon Son!

How about, he's not a complete player? You not only have to score, but prevent your opponent from scoring to win games.

Thank You Panos finally someone is thinking lol. I love Novak he is the best 3 point shooter in the game. But he is not a complete player on both sides of the courts. Now this doesnt mean he is "not that good" it just means that he has stregnths and weaknesses just like every nba player

IRISHKnicksfan, you seem like a pretty fair guy... let me ask you this..

is novak even an adequate defender? be honest here.. I don't think he is even adequate.

is novak even a decent passer? again be honest

is novak a decent rebounder?

Does novak move well without the ball?

I think an honest assesment will tell you that he is not really decent in any of these areas.. what he is tho, is a deadly three point shooter.... he does nothing else.. that dosen't make him a scrub, or bad, just "not that good" as a player... you can't be very good doing one thing and really bad in other areas, and be a "good" player... because if you are "not that good" then what are you?

I try to be as fair as I can. First of all Im a big Novak fan but i am not afraid to talk about his weaknesses. We all know he has the best 3 point touch in the game. But he cant really defend, rebound, or many times create his own shot

so it is fair to say, as a player, he is not that good.. He is a great shooter, but that is it, no one is arguing that.. my point is, every current knick player criticism is met with harsh opposition, even when they know whats being said is true...

so it is true the knicks are pretty much an old team... to point out that novak isn't old, that copeland isn't old, and that white isn't old..is really not being fair to the discussion as these guys are bit players... everyone knows we are talking about the main rotation minute players....

it is ok to have doubts, it is ok to say this isn't good... or that isn't good... until this team proves otherwise, a lot of the criticism is fair and just not some arbitrary hatred towards NY players.... I like novak... but I can see him for what he is.... and that is not a bad thing...

tkf wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

tkf wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

Panos wrote:

misterearl wrote:IrishKnick - When tkf drops Steve Novak is "not that good" it is not only less factorial than most comments, it is downright arrogant in its dismissive flair.

Novak drains three's better than most players shoot from the field. 47 percent. He is the best sniper in the league. tkf labels that as "not that good"?

"not that good" as what?

C'mon Son!

How about, he's not a complete player? You not only have to score, but prevent your opponent from scoring to win games.

Thank You Panos finally someone is thinking lol. I love Novak he is the best 3 point shooter in the game. But he is not a complete player on both sides of the courts. Now this doesnt mean he is "not that good" it just means that he has stregnths and weaknesses just like every nba player

IRISHKnicksfan, you seem like a pretty fair guy... let me ask you this..

is novak even an adequate defender? be honest here.. I don't think he is even adequate.

is novak even a decent passer? again be honest

is novak a decent rebounder?

Does novak move well without the ball?

I think an honest assesment will tell you that he is not really decent in any of these areas.. what he is tho, is a deadly three point shooter.... he does nothing else.. that dosen't make him a scrub, or bad, just "not that good" as a player... you can't be very good doing one thing and really bad in other areas, and be a "good" player... because if you are "not that good" then what are you?

I try to be as fair as I can. First of all Im a big Novak fan but i am not afraid to talk about his weaknesses. We all know he has the best 3 point touch in the game. But he cant really defend, rebound, or many times create his own shot

so it is fair to say, as a player, he is not that good.. He is a great shooter, but that is it, no one is arguing that.. my point is, every current knick player criticism is met with harsh opposition, even when they know whats being said is true...

so it is true the knicks are pretty much an old team... to point out that novak isn't old, that copeland isn't old, and that white isn't old..is really not being fair to the discussion as these guys are bit players... everyone knows we are talking about the main rotation minute players....

it is ok to have doubts, it is ok to say this isn't good... or that isn't good... until this team proves otherwise, a lot of the criticism is fair and just not some arbitrary hatred towards NY players.... I like novak... but I can see him for what he is.... and that is not a bad thing...

I never said he was a great player i said he was a great shooter.

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

misterearl wrote:IrishKnickFan - so you are saying that other than dunking in people's faces and protecting the paint, Tyson Chandler is not that good?

No i was talking about Novak. When did i ever mention Tyson? I love Tyson in fact i feel he is the captain. I also love Novak but i was just saying that his defense needs work. Misterearl i was agreeing with YOU

what it seems he is saying is does being one dimensional equals not that good?

exactly... he is good at shooting threes... that's it.. he is not even good at getting open, I guess I should use the miami series to highlight how he could not get many shots off.. I mean that is fair, we used one miami game to define lin's entire career.. right?