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10/1/2012 11:27 AM LAST EDITED: 10/1/2012 11:29 AM

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fishmike wrote:ahh... another "lets desperately quantify Melo's greatness despite the lack of winning" threads.
How about these #s since we are focused on individual accomplishments... count how many all NBA, all NBA defense, MVP votes... you know, the individual honors in the NBA. How about comparing those for Melo/Kobe/Wade? Should be interesting..... looking forward to the indepth analysis
fish, go look at some of my post.. I have been screaming this for weeks.... I know winning a ring is hard, not everyone can win a ring, but what about the individual accolades, I mean at some point, greatness is recognized.. it happened with Barkley when he won MVP, no ring, but many accolades..
I ask, show me one scoring title, one first team all NBA, one mvp, one anything that melo has won?
all I keep getting is.. "best pure scorer".. and again, i ask how do we come to that conclusion..and I get, because he can post up and score.... LOL.. go figure man..

I was talking with another avid Knicks fans about scoring leaders throughout NBA history. There's almost no bigger individual standout recognition "by the numbers" than leading a league in scoring. Especially since these Melo scrotie huggers all want to talk about his scoring prowess.

Well throughout NBA history of all the scoring champs since the inception of keeping this stat in the records, 95% of these players scored 30ppg or more when they led the league. Some of these guys who may have finished 2nd or 3rd still averaged 30ppg. Think about this for a second and let it sink in....then look at the factual statement below....

"MELO HAS NEVER AVERAGED 30PPG IN HIS OVERHWHELMING-UNDERACHIEVING NBA CAREER EVER"

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GodNa7ion wrote:
3G4G wrote:
GodNa7ion wrote:TS% and other metric stats make players look worse than are
Melo not only scores buckets but he's a headache for opponents, a player coaches have to gameplan around
Gallo, Lin, etc..... none of them were that
Our team is built to win it all and I think we can

Miami game planed around Lin and New Jersey most certainly intensified their play against us when they played him for a second time.

Why let what took place or facts get in the way.

As far as Gallo goes he was part of the system teams had to game plan around as he helped stretch the floor for PNR play.

I think teams prefer Melo get busy as much as he desires, therefore it throws the rest of the team off if he Melo Balls It too much.
Miami didnt game plan around Lin, Mario Chalmers and Norris Cole locked him up and he was exposed, they didnt buy into the hype and it showed
New Jersey didnt do much either, Lin had a good game just got lit up by D-Will
Gallo was never a legit option to lead us to a title, we can all agree, and that system didn't work before so why would it work now.
Any coach would take a Melo and build around him properly and win a title doing so, remember they dont **** up 2 inbound passes in Denver and they beat LA go to the Finals and then beat Orlando most likely again thats an "if" but Melo-Ball works, Kobe-Ball works, Durant-Ball works and LeBron-Ball works. Judge Melo on what he's about to do because he's a changed man and if I'm wrong hey **** it

I'll say this one more time after posting the Meat & Potatoes below

It won't show up in the box score, but the Heat privately track the number of times that their players "contain" or corral opposing penetrators away from the painted area. Empirically, Anthony has done this one task better than anybody they've ever had in a Heat uniform.
So when Spoelstra fielded questions for about 10 minutes about prepping for Lin, he deliberately left Anthony's name out of the discussion. But the coach wouldn't get off so easy. When Anthony's name was brought up as a potential Lin-stopper when the media session winded down, Spoelstra smiled and declared that the questioning was over. He quickly scampered away from the horde of reporters, before finally turning around and offering his response.
"You're getting in too deep now," Spoelstra said to the reporters with a grin. "I'm not going to talk about that, but I will say that you're onto something."
Say no more.
The Knicks deploy the pick-and-roll more aggressively than most and coincidentally, the Heat defend the pick-and-roll more aggressively than most. For close observers of the Heat's defensive system, it's no surprise that the Heat plan on using Anthony to swarm Lin out on the perimeter. With Anthony, who covers more ground than a Boeing 747, the Heat have a lengthy center who can disrupt Lin beyond the three-point arc in a pick-and-roll and then retreat quickly to the paint.
During Wednesday's game against the Atlanta Hawks, almost all of Lin's screens were set by Knicks center Tyson Chandler, who will be guarded by Anthony. This plays right into the "something" that Spoelstra wouldn't elaborate in detail in that moment. But earlier in the conversation, Spoelstra spoke about the Heat's general game plan.
"We're going to try to bring our game to them, not necessarily to react and adapt to their pick-and-roll game," Spoelstra said. "We'll continue to play to our identity and to our style, which is to be disruptive."

Lin's final line: 1 for 11 from the field, eight points, three assists -- a long way from the 23.9 points and 9.2 assists he had been averaging over his first 11 games in the Knicks' rotation, when he breathed immeasurable life into a team that was floundering.
"First of all, he deserves all of the credit he's been given," Wade said. "We knew it was going to be a tough task guarding him. ... He's a good player, but we put a lot of pressure on him and it was a success."

"I'm sure they were all geeked up for him," Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni said of the Heat defense against Lin. "And they took the challenge and they did a great job. It's hard to be Peter Pan every day."

WHY LET WHAT TOOK PLACE OR FACTS GET IN THE WAY

You're not built for this, sorry

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3G4G wrote:
GodNa7ion wrote:
3G4G wrote:
GodNa7ion wrote:TS% and other metric stats make players look worse than are
Melo not only scores buckets but he's a headache for opponents, a player coaches have to gameplan around
Gallo, Lin, etc..... none of them were that
Our team is built to win it all and I think we can

Miami game planed around Lin and New Jersey most certainly intensified their play against us when they played him for a second time.

Why let what took place or facts get in the way.

As far as Gallo goes he was part of the system teams had to game plan around as he helped stretch the floor for PNR play.

I think teams prefer Melo get busy as much as he desires, therefore it throws the rest of the team off if he Melo Balls It too much.
Miami didnt game plan around Lin, Mario Chalmers and Norris Cole locked him up and he was exposed, they didnt buy into the hype and it showed
New Jersey didnt do much either, Lin had a good game just got lit up by D-Will
Gallo was never a legit option to lead us to a title, we can all agree, and that system didn't work before so why would it work now.
Any coach would take a Melo and build around him properly and win a title doing so, remember they dont **** up 2 inbound passes in Denver and they beat LA go to the Finals and then beat Orlando most likely again thats an "if" but Melo-Ball works, Kobe-Ball works, Durant-Ball works and LeBron-Ball works. Judge Melo on what he's about to do because he's a changed man and if I'm wrong hey **** it

I'll say this one more time after posting the Meat & Potatoes below
It won't show up in the box score, but the Heat privately track the number of times that their players "contain" or corral opposing penetrators away from the painted area. Empirically, Anthony has done this one task better than anybody they've ever had in a Heat uniform.
So when Spoelstra fielded questions for about 10 minutes about prepping for Lin, he deliberately left Anthony's name out of the discussion. But the coach wouldn't get off so easy. When Anthony's name was brought up as a potential Lin-stopper when the media session winded down, Spoelstra smiled and declared that the questioning was over. He quickly scampered away from the horde of reporters, before finally turning around and offering his response.
"You're getting in too deep now," Spoelstra said to the reporters with a grin. "I'm not going to talk about that, but I will say that you're onto something."
Say no more.
The Knicks deploy the pick-and-roll more aggressively than most and coincidentally, the Heat defend the pick-and-roll more aggressively than most. For close observers of the Heat's defensive system, it's no surprise that the Heat plan on using Anthony to swarm Lin out on the perimeter. With Anthony, who covers more ground than a Boeing 747, the Heat have a lengthy center who can disrupt Lin beyond the three-point arc in a pick-and-roll and then retreat quickly to the paint.
During Wednesday's game against the Atlanta Hawks, almost all of Lin's screens were set by Knicks center Tyson Chandler, who will be guarded by Anthony. This plays right into the "something" that Spoelstra wouldn't elaborate in detail in that moment. But earlier in the conversation, Spoelstra spoke about the Heat's general game plan.
"We're going to try to bring our game to them, not necessarily to react and adapt to their pick-and-roll game," Spoelstra said. "We'll continue to play to our identity and to our style, which is to be disruptive."

Lin's final line: 1 for 11 from the field, eight points, three assists -- a long way from the 23.9 points and 9.2 assists he had been averaging over his first 11 games in the Knicks' rotation, when he breathed immeasurable life into a team that was floundering.
"First of all, he deserves all of the credit he's been given," Wade said. "We knew it was going to be a tough task guarding him. ... He's a good player, but we put a lot of pressure on him and it was a success."

"I'm sure they were all geeked up for him," Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni said of the Heat defense against Lin. "And they took the challenge and they did a great job. It's hard to be Peter Pan every day."

WHY LET WHAT TOOK PLACE OR FACTS GET IN THE WAY

You're not built for this, sorry

GOOD WORK 3g.... no need to add to this as you have blown the norris cole mario chalmers theory to shreds.... the heat went out of their way to game plan for lin, and honestly, when you have guys like wade and lebron do that, for atleast a game or so, you will have problems... just ask derek rose how that worked when lebron decided to dedicate his energy full time to him... that was one game with lin, and these melo lovers will hold onto that with all their might.... glad you blew that to pieces....

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF

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Year by year NBA Scoring Titles
NBA Scoring Leaders Year by Year

Season Scoring Leader Team Games Point Average Total Points
2010-11 Kevin Durant Oklahoma City Thunder 78 27.7 2,472
2009-10 Kevin Durant Oklahoma City Thunder 82 30.1 2,472
2008-09 Dwayne Wade Miami Heat 79 30.2 2,386
2007-08 Lebron James Cleveland Cavaliers 75 30.0 2250
2006-07 Kobe Bryant Los Angeles Lakers 77 31.6 2430
2005-06 Kobe Bryant Los Angeles Lakers 80 35.4 2832
2004-05 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 75 30,7 2302
2003-04 Tracy McGrady Orlando Magic 67 28.0 1878
2002-03 Tracy McGrady Orlando Magic 75 32.1 2407
2001-02 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 60 31.4 1883
2000-01 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 71 31.1 2207
1999-00 Shaquille O'Neal (1) L.A. Lakers 79 29.7 2344
1998-99 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 48 26.8 1284
1997-98 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 28.7 2357
1996-97 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 29.7 2431
1995-96 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 30.4 2491
1994-95 Shaquille O'Neal Orlando Magic 79 29.3 2315
1993-94 David Robinson San Antonio Spurs 80 29.8 2383
1992-93 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 78 32.6 2541
1991-92 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 80 30.1 2404
1990-91 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 31.5 2580
1989-90 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 82 33.6 2753
1988-89 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 81 32.5 2633
1987-88 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 82 35.0 2868
1986-87 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 82 37.1 3041
1985-86 Dominique Wilkins Atlanta Hawks 78 30.3 2366
1984-85 Bernard King New York Knicks 55 32.9 1809
1983-84 Adrian Dantley Utah Jazz 79 30.6 2418
1982-83 Alex English Denver Nuggets 82 28.4 2326
1981-82 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 79 32.3 2551
1980-81 Adrian Dantley Utah Jazz 80 30.7 2452
1979-80 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 78 33.1 2585
1978-79 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 80 29.6 2365
1977-78 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 82 27.2 2232
1976-77 Pete Maravich New Orleans Jazz 73 31.1 2273
1975-76 Bob McAdoo Buffalo Braves 78 31.1 2427
1974-75 Bob McAdoo Buffalo Braves 82 34.5 2831
1973-74 Bob McAdoo Buffalo Braves 74 30.6 2261
1972-73 Nate "Tiny" Archibald KC-Omaha Kings 80 34.0 2719
1971-72 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Milwaukee Bucks 81 34.8 2822
1970-71 Lew Alcindor (1) (2) Milwaukee Bucks 82 31.7 2596
1969-70 Jerry West L.A. Lakers 74 31.2 2309
1968-69 Elvin Hayes San Diego Rockets 82 28.4 2327
1967-68 Dave Bing Detroit Pistons 79 27.1 2142
1966-67 Rick Barry San Francisco Warriors 78 35.6 2775
1965-66 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia 76ers 79 33.5 2649
1964-65 Wilt Chamberlain S.F. Warriors - Phil. 76ers 73 34.7 2534
1963-64 Wilt Chamberlain San Francisco Warriors 80 36.9 2948
1962-63 Wilt Chamberlain San Francisco Warriors 80 44.8 3586
1961-62 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors 80 50.4 4029
1960-61 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors 79 38.4 3033
1959-60 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors 72 37.6 2707
1958-59 Bob Pettit St. Louis Hawks 72 29.2 2105
1957-58 George Yardley Detroit Pistons 72 27.8 2001
1956-57 Paul Arizin Philadelphia Warriors 71 25.6 1817
1955-56 Bob Pettit St. Louis Hawks 72 25.7 1849
1954-55 Neil Johnston Philadelphia Warriors 72 22.7 1631
1953-54 Neil Johnston Philadelphia Warriors 72 24.4 1759
1952-53 Neil Johnston Philadelphia Warriors 70 22.3 1564
1951-52 Paul Arizin Philadelphia Warriors 66 25.4 1674
1950-51 George Mikan Minneapolis Lakers 68 28.4 1932
1949-50 George Mikan (1) Minneapolis Lakers 68 27.4 1865
1948-49 George Mikan (1) Minneapolis Lakers 60 28.3 1698
1947-48 Max Zaslofsky Chicago Stags 48 21.0 1007
1946-47 Joe Fulks (1) Philadelphia Warriors

Long history of non champion type players that head the list. Jordan is a big execption. Wilt never won a chip when he lead the league.

Melo is Gervin, Dominique, Mcadoo, Bernard, Dantley, English, McGrady, Vince, Big Dogg, Glenn Rice, and host of proelific scorers who are great 3's or 4's but for what ever reason (perhaps no fault of their own) did not win a title as the top scorer.

Great box office attractions and can be fun to watch.

Is he a "winner"?

He has yet to earn that label in the eyes of most.

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Cant edit the quote on my ipad, keep getting logged off. Good point Godna7ion about Melo and the lack of screens. I had a problem with the lack of screens being set for Melo since he got here under both coaches, especially when his shot wasn't falling and he was having trouble getting good looks. Looks like they are showing too much deference for his scoring ability. Chandler would set the occasional token screen but nothing really planned. I hole that changes this season. Doesn't have to be a big part of their game plan but I would like to see it be a part of it to some extent.

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^^^^^^^^^

Nalod

That's the Famous "By The Numbers" All Time Scoring Champ List. As I said about 95% of them averaged 30ppg or did even when they didn't finish 1rst. Melo's best is 28.9 and 28.2

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Nalod wrote:Year by year NBA Scoring Titles
NBA Scoring Leaders Year by Year

Season Scoring Leader Team Games Point Average Total Points
2010-11 Kevin Durant Oklahoma City Thunder 78 27.7 2,472
2009-10 Kevin Durant Oklahoma City Thunder 82 30.1 2,472
2008-09 Dwayne Wade Miami Heat 79 30.2 2,386
2007-08 Lebron James Cleveland Cavaliers 75 30.0 2250
2006-07 Kobe Bryant Los Angeles Lakers 77 31.6 2430
2005-06 Kobe Bryant Los Angeles Lakers 80 35.4 2832
2004-05 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 75 30,7 2302
2003-04 Tracy McGrady Orlando Magic 67 28.0 1878
2002-03 Tracy McGrady Orlando Magic 75 32.1 2407
2001-02 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 60 31.4 1883
2000-01 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 71 31.1 2207
1999-00 Shaquille O'Neal (1) L.A. Lakers 79 29.7 2344
1998-99 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 48 26.8 1284
1997-98 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 28.7 2357
1996-97 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 29.7 2431
1995-96 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 30.4 2491
1994-95 Shaquille O'Neal Orlando Magic 79 29.3 2315
1993-94 David Robinson San Antonio Spurs 80 29.8 2383
1992-93 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 78 32.6 2541
1991-92 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 80 30.1 2404
1990-91 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 31.5 2580
1989-90 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 82 33.6 2753
1988-89 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 81 32.5 2633
1987-88 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 82 35.0 2868
1986-87 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 82 37.1 3041
1985-86 Dominique Wilkins Atlanta Hawks 78 30.3 2366
1984-85 Bernard King New York Knicks 55 32.9 1809
1983-84 Adrian Dantley Utah Jazz 79 30.6 2418
1982-83 Alex English Denver Nuggets 82 28.4 2326
1981-82 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 79 32.3 2551
1980-81 Adrian Dantley Utah Jazz 80 30.7 2452
1979-80 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 78 33.1 2585
1978-79 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 80 29.6 2365
1977-78 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 82 27.2 2232
1976-77 Pete Maravich New Orleans Jazz 73 31.1 2273
1975-76 Bob McAdoo Buffalo Braves 78 31.1 2427
1974-75 Bob McAdoo Buffalo Braves 82 34.5 2831
1973-74 Bob McAdoo Buffalo Braves 74 30.6 2261
1972-73 Nate "Tiny" Archibald KC-Omaha Kings 80 34.0 2719
1971-72 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Milwaukee Bucks 81 34.8 2822
1970-71 Lew Alcindor (1) (2) Milwaukee Bucks 82 31.7 2596
1969-70 Jerry West L.A. Lakers 74 31.2 2309
1968-69 Elvin Hayes San Diego Rockets 82 28.4 2327
1967-68 Dave Bing Detroit Pistons 79 27.1 2142
1966-67 Rick Barry San Francisco Warriors 78 35.6 2775
1965-66 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia 76ers 79 33.5 2649
1964-65 Wilt Chamberlain S.F. Warriors - Phil. 76ers 73 34.7 2534
1963-64 Wilt Chamberlain San Francisco Warriors 80 36.9 2948
1962-63 Wilt Chamberlain San Francisco Warriors 80 44.8 3586
1961-62 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors 80 50.4 4029
1960-61 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors 79 38.4 3033
1959-60 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors 72 37.6 2707
1958-59 Bob Pettit St. Louis Hawks 72 29.2 2105
1957-58 George Yardley Detroit Pistons 72 27.8 2001
1956-57 Paul Arizin Philadelphia Warriors 71 25.6 1817
1955-56 Bob Pettit St. Louis Hawks 72 25.7 1849
1954-55 Neil Johnston Philadelphia Warriors 72 22.7 1631
1953-54 Neil Johnston Philadelphia Warriors 72 24.4 1759
1952-53 Neil Johnston Philadelphia Warriors 70 22.3 1564
1951-52 Paul Arizin Philadelphia Warriors 66 25.4 1674
1950-51 George Mikan Minneapolis Lakers 68 28.4 1932
1949-50 George Mikan (1) Minneapolis Lakers 68 27.4 1865
1948-49 George Mikan (1) Minneapolis Lakers 60 28.3 1698
1947-48 Max Zaslofsky Chicago Stags 48 21.0 1007
1946-47 Joe Fulks (1) Philadelphia Warriors

Long history of non champion type players that head the list. Jordan is a big execption. Wilt never won a chip when he lead the league.
Melo is Gervin, Dominique, Mcadoo, Bernard, Dantley, English, McGrady, Vince, Big Dogg, Glenn Rice, and host of proelific scorers who are great 3's or 4's but for what ever reason (perhaps no fault of their own) did not win a title as the top scorer.
Great box office attractions and can be fun to watch.
Is he a "winner"?
He has yet to earn that label in the eyes of most.

Melo is ~~Gervin, Dominique, Mcadoo, Bernard, Dantley, English, McGrady,~~ Vince, Big Dogg, Glenn Rice,

we don't dissagree much nalod, but I have to make a correction here... I think gervin, mcadoo, bernard, were moreso true Elite scorers and you could make an argument for English and dantley... even nique....

we understand not everyone can win a ring, I mentioned that many times.. but the argument that he is the "best" scorer, or "Best pure scorer".. just isn't true, and I think your list gives evidence to that.....

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF

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TKD, Do what you want with the list. I love the history of the game and the abstract arguements. I don't have a dog in this fight as I don't really dislike Melo as some do, and certainly don't promote his "starphuchedNess"'

Im just looking at the numbers. The guy can go for 26-28 per nite per year and thats pretty strong. How it translates to wins is a different story. When I was following Bernard it was great he was the scoring champ. I was younger then and he was a great story.

I'd root for Melo to be a scoring champ, but I'd like to think we have stonger team ambitions.

Im not sure Dolan does.

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Nalod wrote:Year by year NBA Scoring Titles
NBA Scoring Leaders Year by Year

Season Scoring Leader Team Games Point Average Total Points
2010-11 Kevin Durant Oklahoma City Thunder 78 27.7 2,472
2009-10 Kevin Durant Oklahoma City Thunder 82 30.1 2,472
2008-09 Dwayne Wade Miami Heat 79 30.2 2,386
2007-08 Lebron James Cleveland Cavaliers 75 30.0 2250
2006-07 Kobe Bryant Los Angeles Lakers 77 31.6 2430
2005-06 Kobe Bryant Los Angeles Lakers 80 35.4 2832
2004-05 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 75 30,7 2302
2003-04 Tracy McGrady Orlando Magic 67 28.0 1878
2002-03 Tracy McGrady Orlando Magic 75 32.1 2407
2001-02 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 60 31.4 1883
2000-01 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 71 31.1 2207
1999-00 Shaquille O'Neal (1) L.A. Lakers 79 29.7 2344
1998-99 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 48 26.8 1284
1997-98 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 28.7 2357
1996-97 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 29.7 2431
1995-96 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 30.4 2491
1994-95 Shaquille O'Neal Orlando Magic 79 29.3 2315
1993-94 David Robinson San Antonio Spurs 80 29.8 2383
1992-93 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 78 32.6 2541
1991-92 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 80 30.1 2404
1990-91 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 31.5 2580
1989-90 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 82 33.6 2753
1988-89 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 81 32.5 2633
1987-88 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 82 35.0 2868
1986-87 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 82 37.1 3041
1985-86 Dominique Wilkins Atlanta Hawks 78 30.3 2366
1984-85 Bernard King New York Knicks 55 32.9 1809
1983-84 Adrian Dantley Utah Jazz 79 30.6 2418
1982-83 Alex English Denver Nuggets 82 28.4 2326
1981-82 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 79 32.3 2551
1980-81 Adrian Dantley Utah Jazz 80 30.7 2452
1979-80 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 78 33.1 2585
1978-79 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 80 29.6 2365
1977-78 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 82 27.2 2232
1976-77 Pete Maravich New Orleans Jazz 73 31.1 2273
1975-76 Bob McAdoo Buffalo Braves 78 31.1 2427
1974-75 Bob McAdoo Buffalo Braves 82 34.5 2831
1973-74 Bob McAdoo Buffalo Braves 74 30.6 2261
1972-73 Nate "Tiny" Archibald KC-Omaha Kings 80 34.0 2719
1971-72 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Milwaukee Bucks 81 34.8 2822
1970-71 Lew Alcindor (1) (2) Milwaukee Bucks 82 31.7 2596
1969-70 Jerry West L.A. Lakers 74 31.2 2309
1968-69 Elvin Hayes San Diego Rockets 82 28.4 2327
1967-68 Dave Bing Detroit Pistons 79 27.1 2142
1966-67 Rick Barry San Francisco Warriors 78 35.6 2775
1965-66 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia 76ers 79 33.5 2649
1964-65 Wilt Chamberlain S.F. Warriors - Phil. 76ers 73 34.7 2534
1963-64 Wilt Chamberlain San Francisco Warriors 80 36.9 2948
1962-63 Wilt Chamberlain San Francisco Warriors 80 44.8 3586
1961-62 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors 80 50.4 4029
1960-61 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors 79 38.4 3033
1959-60 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors 72 37.6 2707
1958-59 Bob Pettit St. Louis Hawks 72 29.2 2105
1957-58 George Yardley Detroit Pistons 72 27.8 2001
1956-57 Paul Arizin Philadelphia Warriors 71 25.6 1817
1955-56 Bob Pettit St. Louis Hawks 72 25.7 1849
1954-55 Neil Johnston Philadelphia Warriors 72 22.7 1631
1953-54 Neil Johnston Philadelphia Warriors 72 24.4 1759
1952-53 Neil Johnston Philadelphia Warriors 70 22.3 1564
1951-52 Paul Arizin Philadelphia Warriors 66 25.4 1674
1950-51 George Mikan Minneapolis Lakers 68 28.4 1932
1949-50 George Mikan (1) Minneapolis Lakers 68 27.4 1865
1948-49 George Mikan (1) Minneapolis Lakers 60 28.3 1698
1947-48 Max Zaslofsky Chicago Stags 48 21.0 1007
1946-47 Joe Fulks (1) Philadelphia Warriors

Long history of non champion type players that head the list. Jordan is a big execption. Wilt never won a chip when he lead the league.
Melo is Gervin, Dominique, Mcadoo, Bernard, Dantley, English, McGrady, Vince, Big Dogg, Glenn Rice, and host of proelific scorers who are great 3's or 4's but for what ever reason (perhaps no fault of their own) did not win a title as the top scorer.
Great box office attractions and can be fun to watch.
Is he a "winner"?
He has yet to earn that label in the eyes of most.

Melo is ~~Gervin, Dominique, Mcadoo, Bernard, Dantley, English, McGrady,~~ Vince, Big Dogg, Glenn Rice,
we don't dissagree much nalod, but I have to make a correction here... I think gervin, mcadoo, bernard, were moreso true Elite scorers and you could make an argument for English and dantley... even nique....
we understand not everyone can win a ring, I mentioned that many times.. but the argument that he is the "best" scorer, or "Best pure scorer".. just isn't true, and I think your list gives evidence to that.....

Why the NBA best scorer (Melo) is not that list? Oops I guess NBA history must be a hater lol. What surprise me is that even McGrady claimed the scoring title a couple of time and Melo for all his offensive skills doesn’t have one single accolade under his name.

Now, my expectations for Melo are not based on whether the Knicks win a title with him or not, instead I just want Melo to make the Knicks a real contender like a TRUE SUPERSTAR should do. Especially considering that we traded 4 young starters, gave the guy 85 million deal (Melo has a player option the 4th year) and a bunch of picks which limit our flexibility going foward.
So yea, I want to see results for that type of HUGE investment.

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Whats done is done. Melo is here now and this team is built to win within the next 2-3 years. I tell you if we are able to win a title than it will be worth it everything we have gone through from 2000

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Nalod wrote:Year by year NBA Scoring Titles
NBA Scoring Leaders Year by Year

Season Scoring Leader Team Games Point Average Total Points
2010-11 Kevin Durant Oklahoma City Thunder 78 27.7 2,472
2009-10 Kevin Durant Oklahoma City Thunder 82 30.1 2,472
2008-09 Dwayne Wade Miami Heat 79 30.2 2,386
2007-08 Lebron James Cleveland Cavaliers 75 30.0 2250
2006-07 Kobe Bryant Los Angeles Lakers 77 31.6 2430
2005-06 Kobe Bryant Los Angeles Lakers 80 35.4 2832
2004-05 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 75 30,7 2302
2003-04 Tracy McGrady Orlando Magic 67 28.0 1878
2002-03 Tracy McGrady Orlando Magic 75 32.1 2407
2001-02 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 60 31.4 1883
2000-01 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 71 31.1 2207
1999-00 Shaquille O'Neal (1) L.A. Lakers 79 29.7 2344
1998-99 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 48 26.8 1284
1997-98 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 28.7 2357
1996-97 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 29.7 2431
1995-96 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 30.4 2491
1994-95 Shaquille O'Neal Orlando Magic 79 29.3 2315
1993-94 David Robinson San Antonio Spurs 80 29.8 2383
1992-93 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 78 32.6 2541
1991-92 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 80 30.1 2404
1990-91 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 31.5 2580
1989-90 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 82 33.6 2753
1988-89 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 81 32.5 2633
1987-88 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 82 35.0 2868
1986-87 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 82 37.1 3041
1985-86 Dominique Wilkins Atlanta Hawks 78 30.3 2366
1984-85 Bernard King New York Knicks 55 32.9 1809
1983-84 Adrian Dantley Utah Jazz 79 30.6 2418
1982-83 Alex English Denver Nuggets 82 28.4 2326
1981-82 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 79 32.3 2551
1980-81 Adrian Dantley Utah Jazz 80 30.7 2452
1979-80 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 78 33.1 2585
1978-79 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 80 29.6 2365
1977-78 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 82 27.2 2232
1976-77 Pete Maravich New Orleans Jazz 73 31.1 2273
1975-76 Bob McAdoo Buffalo Braves 78 31.1 2427
1974-75 Bob McAdoo Buffalo Braves 82 34.5 2831
1973-74 Bob McAdoo Buffalo Braves 74 30.6 2261
1972-73 Nate "Tiny" Archibald KC-Omaha Kings 80 34.0 2719
1971-72 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Milwaukee Bucks 81 34.8 2822
1970-71 Lew Alcindor (1) (2) Milwaukee Bucks 82 31.7 2596
1969-70 Jerry West L.A. Lakers 74 31.2 2309
1968-69 Elvin Hayes San Diego Rockets 82 28.4 2327
1967-68 Dave Bing Detroit Pistons 79 27.1 2142
1966-67 Rick Barry San Francisco Warriors 78 35.6 2775
1965-66 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia 76ers 79 33.5 2649
1964-65 Wilt Chamberlain S.F. Warriors - Phil. 76ers 73 34.7 2534
1963-64 Wilt Chamberlain San Francisco Warriors 80 36.9 2948
1962-63 Wilt Chamberlain San Francisco Warriors 80 44.8 3586
1961-62 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors 80 50.4 4029
1960-61 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors 79 38.4 3033
1959-60 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors 72 37.6 2707
1958-59 Bob Pettit St. Louis Hawks 72 29.2 2105
1957-58 George Yardley Detroit Pistons 72 27.8 2001
1956-57 Paul Arizin Philadelphia Warriors 71 25.6 1817
1955-56 Bob Pettit St. Louis Hawks 72 25.7 1849
1954-55 Neil Johnston Philadelphia Warriors 72 22.7 1631
1953-54 Neil Johnston Philadelphia Warriors 72 24.4 1759
1952-53 Neil Johnston Philadelphia Warriors 70 22.3 1564
1951-52 Paul Arizin Philadelphia Warriors 66 25.4 1674
1950-51 George Mikan Minneapolis Lakers 68 28.4 1932
1949-50 George Mikan (1) Minneapolis Lakers 68 27.4 1865
1948-49 George Mikan (1) Minneapolis Lakers 60 28.3 1698
1947-48 Max Zaslofsky Chicago Stags 48 21.0 1007
1946-47 Joe Fulks (1) Philadelphia Warriors

Long history of non champion type players that head the list. Jordan is a big execption. Wilt never won a chip when he lead the league.
Melo is Gervin, Dominique, Mcadoo, Bernard, Dantley, English, McGrady, Vince, Big Dogg, Glenn Rice, and host of proelific scorers who are great 3's or 4's but for what ever reason (perhaps no fault of their own) did not win a title as the top scorer.
Great box office attractions and can be fun to watch.
Is he a "winner"?
He has yet to earn that label in the eyes of most.

Melo is ~~Gervin, Dominique, Mcadoo, Bernard, Dantley, English, McGrady,~~ Vince, Big Dogg, Glenn Rice,
we don't dissagree much nalod, but I have to make a correction here... I think gervin, mcadoo, bernard, were moreso true Elite scorers and you could make an argument for English and dantley... even nique....
we understand not everyone can win a ring, I mentioned that many times.. but the argument that he is the "best" scorer, or "Best pure scorer".. just isn't true, and I think your list gives evidence to that.....
Why the NBA best scorer (Melo) is not that list? Oops I guess NBA history must be a hater lol. What surprise me is that even McGrady claimed the scoring title a couple of time and Melo for all his offensive skills doesn’t have one single accolade under his name.
Now, my expectations for Melo are not based on whether the Knicks win a title with him or not, instead I just want Melo to make the Knicks a real contender like a TRUE SUPERSTAR should do. Especially considering that we traded 4 young starters, gave the guy 85 million deal (Melo has a player option the 4th year) and a bunch of picks which limit our flexibility going foward.
So yea, I want to see results for that type of HUGE investment.

We traded four role players, lets not overstate things. Also, you conviently failed to mention that we got back Chauncey Billups aswell.

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Uptown wrote:
KnicksFE wrote:
tkf wrote:
Nalod wrote:Year by year NBA Scoring Titles
NBA Scoring Leaders Year by Year

Season Scoring Leader Team Games Point Average Total Points
2010-11 Kevin Durant Oklahoma City Thunder 78 27.7 2,472
2009-10 Kevin Durant Oklahoma City Thunder 82 30.1 2,472
2008-09 Dwayne Wade Miami Heat 79 30.2 2,386
2007-08 Lebron James Cleveland Cavaliers 75 30.0 2250
2006-07 Kobe Bryant Los Angeles Lakers 77 31.6 2430
2005-06 Kobe Bryant Los Angeles Lakers 80 35.4 2832
2004-05 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 75 30,7 2302
2003-04 Tracy McGrady Orlando Magic 67 28.0 1878
2002-03 Tracy McGrady Orlando Magic 75 32.1 2407
2001-02 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 60 31.4 1883
2000-01 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 71 31.1 2207
1999-00 Shaquille O'Neal (1) L.A. Lakers 79 29.7 2344
1998-99 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 48 26.8 1284
1997-98 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 28.7 2357
1996-97 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 29.7 2431
1995-96 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 30.4 2491
1994-95 Shaquille O'Neal Orlando Magic 79 29.3 2315
1993-94 David Robinson San Antonio Spurs 80 29.8 2383
1992-93 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 78 32.6 2541
1991-92 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 80 30.1 2404
1990-91 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 31.5 2580
1989-90 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 82 33.6 2753
1988-89 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 81 32.5 2633
1987-88 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 82 35.0 2868
1986-87 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 82 37.1 3041
1985-86 Dominique Wilkins Atlanta Hawks 78 30.3 2366
1984-85 Bernard King New York Knicks 55 32.9 1809
1983-84 Adrian Dantley Utah Jazz 79 30.6 2418
1982-83 Alex English Denver Nuggets 82 28.4 2326
1981-82 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 79 32.3 2551
1980-81 Adrian Dantley Utah Jazz 80 30.7 2452
1979-80 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 78 33.1 2585
1978-79 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 80 29.6 2365
1977-78 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 82 27.2 2232
1976-77 Pete Maravich New Orleans Jazz 73 31.1 2273
1975-76 Bob McAdoo Buffalo Braves 78 31.1 2427
1974-75 Bob McAdoo Buffalo Braves 82 34.5 2831
1973-74 Bob McAdoo Buffalo Braves 74 30.6 2261
1972-73 Nate "Tiny" Archibald KC-Omaha Kings 80 34.0 2719
1971-72 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Milwaukee Bucks 81 34.8 2822
1970-71 Lew Alcindor (1) (2) Milwaukee Bucks 82 31.7 2596
1969-70 Jerry West L.A. Lakers 74 31.2 2309
1968-69 Elvin Hayes San Diego Rockets 82 28.4 2327
1967-68 Dave Bing Detroit Pistons 79 27.1 2142
1966-67 Rick Barry San Francisco Warriors 78 35.6 2775
1965-66 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia 76ers 79 33.5 2649
1964-65 Wilt Chamberlain S.F. Warriors - Phil. 76ers 73 34.7 2534
1963-64 Wilt Chamberlain San Francisco Warriors 80 36.9 2948
1962-63 Wilt Chamberlain San Francisco Warriors 80 44.8 3586
1961-62 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors 80 50.4 4029
1960-61 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors 79 38.4 3033
1959-60 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors 72 37.6 2707
1958-59 Bob Pettit St. Louis Hawks 72 29.2 2105
1957-58 George Yardley Detroit Pistons 72 27.8 2001
1956-57 Paul Arizin Philadelphia Warriors 71 25.6 1817
1955-56 Bob Pettit St. Louis Hawks 72 25.7 1849
1954-55 Neil Johnston Philadelphia Warriors 72 22.7 1631
1953-54 Neil Johnston Philadelphia Warriors 72 24.4 1759
1952-53 Neil Johnston Philadelphia Warriors 70 22.3 1564
1951-52 Paul Arizin Philadelphia Warriors 66 25.4 1674
1950-51 George Mikan Minneapolis Lakers 68 28.4 1932
1949-50 George Mikan (1) Minneapolis Lakers 68 27.4 1865
1948-49 George Mikan (1) Minneapolis Lakers 60 28.3 1698
1947-48 Max Zaslofsky Chicago Stags 48 21.0 1007
1946-47 Joe Fulks (1) Philadelphia Warriors

Long history of non champion type players that head the list. Jordan is a big execption. Wilt never won a chip when he lead the league.
Melo is Gervin, Dominique, Mcadoo, Bernard, Dantley, English, McGrady, Vince, Big Dogg, Glenn Rice, and host of proelific scorers who are great 3's or 4's but for what ever reason (perhaps no fault of their own) did not win a title as the top scorer.
Great box office attractions and can be fun to watch.
Is he a "winner"?
He has yet to earn that label in the eyes of most.

Melo is ~~Gervin, Dominique, Mcadoo, Bernard, Dantley, English, McGrady,~~ Vince, Big Dogg, Glenn Rice,
we don't dissagree much nalod, but I have to make a correction here... I think gervin, mcadoo, bernard, were moreso true Elite scorers and you could make an argument for English and dantley... even nique....
we understand not everyone can win a ring, I mentioned that many times.. but the argument that he is the "best" scorer, or "Best pure scorer".. just isn't true, and I think your list gives evidence to that.....
Why the NBA best scorer (Melo) is not that list? Oops I guess NBA history must be a hater lol. What surprise me is that even McGrady claimed the scoring title a couple of time and Melo for all his offensive skills doesn’t have one single accolade under his name.
Now, my expectations for Melo are not based on whether the Knicks win a title with him or not, instead I just want Melo to make the Knicks a real contender like a TRUE SUPERSTAR should do. Especially considering that we traded 4 young starters, gave the guy 85 million deal (Melo has a player option the 4th year) and a bunch of picks which limit our flexibility going foward.
So yea, I want to see results for that type of HUGE investment.
We traded four role players, lets not overstate things. Also, you conviently failed to mention that we got back Chauncey Billups aswell.

Please lets not start a melo haters vs melo lovers feud again. I dont think he was bashing melo he made a valid point. we are all hoping it works out great

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GodNa7ion wrote:TS% and other metric stats make players look worse than are
Melo not only scores buckets but he's a headache for opponents, a player coaches have to gameplan around
Gallo, Lin, etc..... none of them were that
Our team is built to win it all and I think we can
i doubt the TS% stat was intentionally created to make players look worse than they are. do you sincerely believe that?
what it does do is tease out the value of certain players games so far as the type of scoring that helps the team rather than hurts the team. so while scoring points is important and in fact essential what is more important is HOW those points are scored.
this is why bryant and melo are such divisive figures. people see a certain kind of game from them-- lots of shots but not a lot of points per shot is perhaps another way of evaluating them-- and the TS% really backs that up.
I personally believe that, for example a player who shoots mostly contested jumpers will always have a lower TS% than a player getting wide open shots, that calls into question efficiency more so than analyzing how the shots are made
People say Durant is more efficient than Melo yet dont say he gets screens set for him and gets more open shots, Melo takes more contested shots but when Melo works off screens he's shooting like 52% or something and Durant shoots like 40 something % on contested jumpers. Then they forget about fast break points
I'm just saying I think film is the best way to analyze players, I hate numbers, the only numbers that matter at the final score and wins and losses, everything else should be analyzed off of film

firstly he has no business taking shots that are so contested that a pass wouldn't be a better choice. obviously when you go iso you are by definition going to have your shot contested more often than not... so how is that an effective strategy?

so far as screens i agree with you... but you have to wonder why the devil he hasn't learned to use screens and shoot off the dribble behind a screen REGULARLY and not just once in a blue moon. he is not very good as a catch and shoot guy... he kind of needs a dribble or two just to get in rhythm anyway, so why then can't he take a dribble or two with a screen set for him and have the option to make a pass to the roller. it baffles me no end. i mean do you REALLY think no coach has ever said that melo needs to incorporate the oldest play in the book and stop going iso? and why the devil did neither d'antoni or woodson get him to run a pick and roll with one of the great finishers we have in stat? again it makes zero sense... unless melo is so stubborn that he refuses to work pick and roll into his repertoire. it is one of my biggest peeves with his game... along with a lack of head and ball fakes to draw fouls.

believe it or not i hate numbers too, except the ones that seem to reflect what i study about players. speaking of study, the advent of DVR/tivo allows all of us to study film in a way. i am always slow to join postgame chats because i am busy replaying certain sequences for the sake of breaking down a player's game. this is a luxury that any avid b-ball fan should take advantage of.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%

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Uptown wrote:
KnicksFE wrote:
tkf wrote:
Nalod wrote:Year by year NBA Scoring Titles
NBA Scoring Leaders Year by Year

Season Scoring Leader Team Games Point Average Total Points
2010-11 Kevin Durant Oklahoma City Thunder 78 27.7 2,472
2009-10 Kevin Durant Oklahoma City Thunder 82 30.1 2,472
2008-09 Dwayne Wade Miami Heat 79 30.2 2,386
2007-08 Lebron James Cleveland Cavaliers 75 30.0 2250
2006-07 Kobe Bryant Los Angeles Lakers 77 31.6 2430
2005-06 Kobe Bryant Los Angeles Lakers 80 35.4 2832
2004-05 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 75 30,7 2302
2003-04 Tracy McGrady Orlando Magic 67 28.0 1878
2002-03 Tracy McGrady Orlando Magic 75 32.1 2407
2001-02 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 60 31.4 1883
2000-01 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 71 31.1 2207
1999-00 Shaquille O'Neal (1) L.A. Lakers 79 29.7 2344
1998-99 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 48 26.8 1284
1997-98 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 28.7 2357
1996-97 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 29.7 2431
1995-96 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 30.4 2491
1994-95 Shaquille O'Neal Orlando Magic 79 29.3 2315
1993-94 David Robinson San Antonio Spurs 80 29.8 2383
1992-93 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 78 32.6 2541
1991-92 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 80 30.1 2404
1990-91 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 31.5 2580
1989-90 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 82 33.6 2753
1988-89 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 81 32.5 2633
1987-88 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 82 35.0 2868
1986-87 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 82 37.1 3041
1985-86 Dominique Wilkins Atlanta Hawks 78 30.3 2366
1984-85 Bernard King New York Knicks 55 32.9 1809
1983-84 Adrian Dantley Utah Jazz 79 30.6 2418
1982-83 Alex English Denver Nuggets 82 28.4 2326
1981-82 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 79 32.3 2551
1980-81 Adrian Dantley Utah Jazz 80 30.7 2452
1979-80 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 78 33.1 2585
1978-79 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 80 29.6 2365
1977-78 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 82 27.2 2232
1976-77 Pete Maravich New Orleans Jazz 73 31.1 2273
1975-76 Bob McAdoo Buffalo Braves 78 31.1 2427
1974-75 Bob McAdoo Buffalo Braves 82 34.5 2831
1973-74 Bob McAdoo Buffalo Braves 74 30.6 2261
1972-73 Nate "Tiny" Archibald KC-Omaha Kings 80 34.0 2719
1971-72 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Milwaukee Bucks 81 34.8 2822
1970-71 Lew Alcindor (1) (2) Milwaukee Bucks 82 31.7 2596
1969-70 Jerry West L.A. Lakers 74 31.2 2309
1968-69 Elvin Hayes San Diego Rockets 82 28.4 2327
1967-68 Dave Bing Detroit Pistons 79 27.1 2142
1966-67 Rick Barry San Francisco Warriors 78 35.6 2775
1965-66 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia 76ers 79 33.5 2649
1964-65 Wilt Chamberlain S.F. Warriors - Phil. 76ers 73 34.7 2534
1963-64 Wilt Chamberlain San Francisco Warriors 80 36.9 2948
1962-63 Wilt Chamberlain San Francisco Warriors 80 44.8 3586
1961-62 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors 80 50.4 4029
1960-61 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors 79 38.4 3033
1959-60 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors 72 37.6 2707
1958-59 Bob Pettit St. Louis Hawks 72 29.2 2105
1957-58 George Yardley Detroit Pistons 72 27.8 2001
1956-57 Paul Arizin Philadelphia Warriors 71 25.6 1817
1955-56 Bob Pettit St. Louis Hawks 72 25.7 1849
1954-55 Neil Johnston Philadelphia Warriors 72 22.7 1631
1953-54 Neil Johnston Philadelphia Warriors 72 24.4 1759
1952-53 Neil Johnston Philadelphia Warriors 70 22.3 1564
1951-52 Paul Arizin Philadelphia Warriors 66 25.4 1674
1950-51 George Mikan Minneapolis Lakers 68 28.4 1932
1949-50 George Mikan (1) Minneapolis Lakers 68 27.4 1865
1948-49 George Mikan (1) Minneapolis Lakers 60 28.3 1698
1947-48 Max Zaslofsky Chicago Stags 48 21.0 1007
1946-47 Joe Fulks (1) Philadelphia Warriors

Long history of non champion type players that head the list. Jordan is a big execption. Wilt never won a chip when he lead the league.
Melo is Gervin, Dominique, Mcadoo, Bernard, Dantley, English, McGrady, Vince, Big Dogg, Glenn Rice, and host of proelific scorers who are great 3's or 4's but for what ever reason (perhaps no fault of their own) did not win a title as the top scorer.
Great box office attractions and can be fun to watch.
Is he a "winner"?
He has yet to earn that label in the eyes of most.

Melo is ~~Gervin, Dominique, Mcadoo, Bernard, Dantley, English, McGrady,~~ Vince, Big Dogg, Glenn Rice,
we don't dissagree much nalod, but I have to make a correction here... I think gervin, mcadoo, bernard, were moreso true Elite scorers and you could make an argument for English and dantley... even nique....
we understand not everyone can win a ring, I mentioned that many times.. but the argument that he is the "best" scorer, or "Best pure scorer".. just isn't true, and I think your list gives evidence to that.....
Why the NBA best scorer (Melo) is not that list? Oops I guess NBA history must be a hater lol. What surprise me is that even McGrady claimed the scoring title a couple of time and Melo for all his offensive skills doesn’t have one single accolade under his name.
Now, my expectations for Melo are not based on whether the Knicks win a title with him or not, instead I just want Melo to make the Knicks a real contender like a TRUE SUPERSTAR should do. Especially considering that we traded 4 young starters, gave the guy 85 million deal (Melo has a player option the 4th year) and a bunch of picks which limit our flexibility going foward.
So yea, I want to see results for that type of HUGE investment.
We traded four role players, lets not overstate things. Also, you conviently failed to mention that we got back Chauncey Billups aswell.
Please lets not start a melo haters vs melo lovers feud again. I dont think he was bashing melo he made a valid point. we are all hoping it works out great

We traded 4 young players 2 of them on their rookie contract, a bunch of picks and used 85 million of our salary cap on Melo. As far as Billups, I CAN’T believe we were also force to take that guy and his 14 million contract from the Nuggets, man they really took us to school.

How much total money did we save the Nuggets? No wonder they have two good players at every position and picks going their way courtesy of our beloved Knicks.

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IrishKnickFan wrote:
Uptown wrote:
KnicksFE wrote:
tkf wrote:
Nalod wrote:Year by year NBA Scoring Titles
NBA Scoring Leaders Year by Year

Season Scoring Leader Team Games Point Average Total Points
2010-11 Kevin Durant Oklahoma City Thunder 78 27.7 2,472
2009-10 Kevin Durant Oklahoma City Thunder 82 30.1 2,472
2008-09 Dwayne Wade Miami Heat 79 30.2 2,386
2007-08 Lebron James Cleveland Cavaliers 75 30.0 2250
2006-07 Kobe Bryant Los Angeles Lakers 77 31.6 2430
2005-06 Kobe Bryant Los Angeles Lakers 80 35.4 2832
2004-05 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 75 30,7 2302
2003-04 Tracy McGrady Orlando Magic 67 28.0 1878
2002-03 Tracy McGrady Orlando Magic 75 32.1 2407
2001-02 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 60 31.4 1883
2000-01 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 71 31.1 2207
1999-00 Shaquille O'Neal (1) L.A. Lakers 79 29.7 2344
1998-99 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 48 26.8 1284
1997-98 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 28.7 2357
1996-97 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 29.7 2431
1995-96 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 30.4 2491
1994-95 Shaquille O'Neal Orlando Magic 79 29.3 2315
1993-94 David Robinson San Antonio Spurs 80 29.8 2383
1992-93 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 78 32.6 2541
1991-92 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 80 30.1 2404
1990-91 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 31.5 2580
1989-90 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 82 33.6 2753
1988-89 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 81 32.5 2633
1987-88 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 82 35.0 2868
1986-87 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 82 37.1 3041
1985-86 Dominique Wilkins Atlanta Hawks 78 30.3 2366
1984-85 Bernard King New York Knicks 55 32.9 1809
1983-84 Adrian Dantley Utah Jazz 79 30.6 2418
1982-83 Alex English Denver Nuggets 82 28.4 2326
1981-82 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 79 32.3 2551
1980-81 Adrian Dantley Utah Jazz 80 30.7 2452
1979-80 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 78 33.1 2585
1978-79 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 80 29.6 2365
1977-78 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 82 27.2 2232
1976-77 Pete Maravich New Orleans Jazz 73 31.1 2273
1975-76 Bob McAdoo Buffalo Braves 78 31.1 2427
1974-75 Bob McAdoo Buffalo Braves 82 34.5 2831
1973-74 Bob McAdoo Buffalo Braves 74 30.6 2261
1972-73 Nate "Tiny" Archibald KC-Omaha Kings 80 34.0 2719
1971-72 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Milwaukee Bucks 81 34.8 2822
1970-71 Lew Alcindor (1) (2) Milwaukee Bucks 82 31.7 2596
1969-70 Jerry West L.A. Lakers 74 31.2 2309
1968-69 Elvin Hayes San Diego Rockets 82 28.4 2327
1967-68 Dave Bing Detroit Pistons 79 27.1 2142
1966-67 Rick Barry San Francisco Warriors 78 35.6 2775
1965-66 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia 76ers 79 33.5 2649
1964-65 Wilt Chamberlain S.F. Warriors - Phil. 76ers 73 34.7 2534
1963-64 Wilt Chamberlain San Francisco Warriors 80 36.9 2948
1962-63 Wilt Chamberlain San Francisco Warriors 80 44.8 3586
1961-62 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors 80 50.4 4029
1960-61 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors 79 38.4 3033
1959-60 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors 72 37.6 2707
1958-59 Bob Pettit St. Louis Hawks 72 29.2 2105
1957-58 George Yardley Detroit Pistons 72 27.8 2001
1956-57 Paul Arizin Philadelphia Warriors 71 25.6 1817
1955-56 Bob Pettit St. Louis Hawks 72 25.7 1849
1954-55 Neil Johnston Philadelphia Warriors 72 22.7 1631
1953-54 Neil Johnston Philadelphia Warriors 72 24.4 1759
1952-53 Neil Johnston Philadelphia Warriors 70 22.3 1564
1951-52 Paul Arizin Philadelphia Warriors 66 25.4 1674
1950-51 George Mikan Minneapolis Lakers 68 28.4 1932
1949-50 George Mikan (1) Minneapolis Lakers 68 27.4 1865
1948-49 George Mikan (1) Minneapolis Lakers 60 28.3 1698
1947-48 Max Zaslofsky Chicago Stags 48 21.0 1007
1946-47 Joe Fulks (1) Philadelphia Warriors

Long history of non champion type players that head the list. Jordan is a big execption. Wilt never won a chip when he lead the league.
Melo is Gervin, Dominique, Mcadoo, Bernard, Dantley, English, McGrady, Vince, Big Dogg, Glenn Rice, and host of proelific scorers who are great 3's or 4's but for what ever reason (perhaps no fault of their own) did not win a title as the top scorer.
Great box office attractions and can be fun to watch.
Is he a "winner"?
He has yet to earn that label in the eyes of most.

Melo is ~~Gervin, Dominique, Mcadoo, Bernard, Dantley, English, McGrady,~~ Vince, Big Dogg, Glenn Rice,
we don't dissagree much nalod, but I have to make a correction here... I think gervin, mcadoo, bernard, were moreso true Elite scorers and you could make an argument for English and dantley... even nique....
we understand not everyone can win a ring, I mentioned that many times.. but the argument that he is the "best" scorer, or "Best pure scorer".. just isn't true, and I think your list gives evidence to that.....
Why the NBA best scorer (Melo) is not that list? Oops I guess NBA history must be a hater lol. What surprise me is that even McGrady claimed the scoring title a couple of time and Melo for all his offensive skills doesn’t have one single accolade under his name.
Now, my expectations for Melo are not based on whether the Knicks win a title with him or not, instead I just want Melo to make the Knicks a real contender like a TRUE SUPERSTAR should do. Especially considering that we traded 4 young starters, gave the guy 85 million deal (Melo has a player option the 4th year) and a bunch of picks which limit our flexibility going foward.
So yea, I want to see results for that type of HUGE investment.
We traded four role players, lets not overstate things. Also, you conviently failed to mention that we got back Chauncey Billups aswell.
Please lets not start a melo haters vs melo lovers feud again. I dont think he was bashing melo he made a valid point. we are all hoping it works out great
We traded 4 young players 2 of them on their rookie contract, a bunch of picks and used 85 million of our salary cap on Melo. As far as Billups, I CAN’T believe we were also force to take that guy and his 14 million contract from the Nuggets, man they really took us to school.
How much total money did we save the Nuggets? No wonder they have two good players at every position and picks going their way courtesy of our beloved Knicks.

There is no doubt that if we lose in the first round again this year then the trade will be a bust. However i feel we will do well this year

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Nalod wrote:Year by year NBA Scoring Titles
NBA Scoring Leaders Year by Year

Season Scoring Leader Team Games Point Average Total Points
2010-11 Kevin Durant Oklahoma City Thunder 78 27.7 2,472
2009-10 Kevin Durant Oklahoma City Thunder 82 30.1 2,472
2008-09 Dwayne Wade Miami Heat 79 30.2 2,386
2007-08 Lebron James Cleveland Cavaliers 75 30.0 2250
2006-07 Kobe Bryant Los Angeles Lakers 77 31.6 2430
2005-06 Kobe Bryant Los Angeles Lakers 80 35.4 2832
2004-05 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 75 30,7 2302
2003-04 Tracy McGrady Orlando Magic 67 28.0 1878
2002-03 Tracy McGrady Orlando Magic 75 32.1 2407
2001-02 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 60 31.4 1883
2000-01 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 71 31.1 2207
1999-00 Shaquille O'Neal (1) L.A. Lakers 79 29.7 2344
1998-99 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 48 26.8 1284
1997-98 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 28.7 2357
1996-97 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 29.7 2431
1995-96 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 30.4 2491
1994-95 Shaquille O'Neal Orlando Magic 79 29.3 2315
1993-94 David Robinson San Antonio Spurs 80 29.8 2383
1992-93 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 78 32.6 2541
1991-92 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 80 30.1 2404
1990-91 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 31.5 2580
1989-90 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 82 33.6 2753
1988-89 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 81 32.5 2633
1987-88 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 82 35.0 2868
1986-87 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 82 37.1 3041
1985-86 Dominique Wilkins Atlanta Hawks 78 30.3 2366
1984-85 Bernard King New York Knicks 55 32.9 1809
1983-84 Adrian Dantley Utah Jazz 79 30.6 2418
1982-83 Alex English Denver Nuggets 82 28.4 2326
1981-82 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 79 32.3 2551
1980-81 Adrian Dantley Utah Jazz 80 30.7 2452
1979-80 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 78 33.1 2585
1978-79 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 80 29.6 2365
1977-78 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 82 27.2 2232
1976-77 Pete Maravich New Orleans Jazz 73 31.1 2273
1975-76 Bob McAdoo Buffalo Braves 78 31.1 2427
1974-75 Bob McAdoo Buffalo Braves 82 34.5 2831
1973-74 Bob McAdoo Buffalo Braves 74 30.6 2261
1972-73 Nate "Tiny" Archibald KC-Omaha Kings 80 34.0 2719
1971-72 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Milwaukee Bucks 81 34.8 2822
1970-71 Lew Alcindor (1) (2) Milwaukee Bucks 82 31.7 2596
1969-70 Jerry West L.A. Lakers 74 31.2 2309
1968-69 Elvin Hayes San Diego Rockets 82 28.4 2327
1967-68 Dave Bing Detroit Pistons 79 27.1 2142
1966-67 Rick Barry San Francisco Warriors 78 35.6 2775
1965-66 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia 76ers 79 33.5 2649
1964-65 Wilt Chamberlain S.F. Warriors - Phil. 76ers 73 34.7 2534
1963-64 Wilt Chamberlain San Francisco Warriors 80 36.9 2948
1962-63 Wilt Chamberlain San Francisco Warriors 80 44.8 3586
1961-62 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors 80 50.4 4029
1960-61 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors 79 38.4 3033
1959-60 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors 72 37.6 2707
1958-59 Bob Pettit St. Louis Hawks 72 29.2 2105
1957-58 George Yardley Detroit Pistons 72 27.8 2001
1956-57 Paul Arizin Philadelphia Warriors 71 25.6 1817
1955-56 Bob Pettit St. Louis Hawks 72 25.7 1849
1954-55 Neil Johnston Philadelphia Warriors 72 22.7 1631
1953-54 Neil Johnston Philadelphia Warriors 72 24.4 1759
1952-53 Neil Johnston Philadelphia Warriors 70 22.3 1564
1951-52 Paul Arizin Philadelphia Warriors 66 25.4 1674
1950-51 George Mikan Minneapolis Lakers 68 28.4 1932
1949-50 George Mikan (1) Minneapolis Lakers 68 27.4 1865
1948-49 George Mikan (1) Minneapolis Lakers 60 28.3 1698
1947-48 Max Zaslofsky Chicago Stags 48 21.0 1007
1946-47 Joe Fulks (1) Philadelphia Warriors

Long history of non champion type players that head the list. Jordan is a big execption. Wilt never won a chip when he lead the league.
Melo is Gervin, Dominique, Mcadoo, Bernard, Dantley, English, McGrady, Vince, Big Dogg, Glenn Rice, and host of proelific scorers who are great 3's or 4's but for what ever reason (perhaps no fault of their own) did not win a title as the top scorer.
Great box office attractions and can be fun to watch.
Is he a "winner"?
He has yet to earn that label in the eyes of most.

Melo is ~~Gervin, Dominique, Mcadoo, Bernard, Dantley, English, McGrady,~~ Vince, Big Dogg, Glenn Rice,
we don't dissagree much nalod, but I have to make a correction here... I think gervin, mcadoo, bernard, were moreso true Elite scorers and you could make an argument for English and dantley... even nique....
we understand not everyone can win a ring, I mentioned that many times.. but the argument that he is the "best" scorer, or "Best pure scorer".. just isn't true, and I think your list gives evidence to that.....

lol @ the strikethroughs. Melo is pretty much Vince Carter except not as dynamic and Vince has been past the first round several times

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Uptown wrote:
KnicksFE wrote:
tkf wrote:
Nalod wrote:Year by year NBA Scoring Titles
NBA Scoring Leaders Year by Year

Season Scoring Leader Team Games Point Average Total Points
2010-11 Kevin Durant Oklahoma City Thunder 78 27.7 2,472
2009-10 Kevin Durant Oklahoma City Thunder 82 30.1 2,472
2008-09 Dwayne Wade Miami Heat 79 30.2 2,386
2007-08 Lebron James Cleveland Cavaliers 75 30.0 2250
2006-07 Kobe Bryant Los Angeles Lakers 77 31.6 2430
2005-06 Kobe Bryant Los Angeles Lakers 80 35.4 2832
2004-05 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 75 30,7 2302
2003-04 Tracy McGrady Orlando Magic 67 28.0 1878
2002-03 Tracy McGrady Orlando Magic 75 32.1 2407
2001-02 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 60 31.4 1883
2000-01 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 71 31.1 2207
1999-00 Shaquille O'Neal (1) L.A. Lakers 79 29.7 2344
1998-99 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 48 26.8 1284
1997-98 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 28.7 2357
1996-97 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 29.7 2431
1995-96 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 30.4 2491
1994-95 Shaquille O'Neal Orlando Magic 79 29.3 2315
1993-94 David Robinson San Antonio Spurs 80 29.8 2383
1992-93 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 78 32.6 2541
1991-92 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 80 30.1 2404
1990-91 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 31.5 2580
1989-90 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 82 33.6 2753
1988-89 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 81 32.5 2633
1987-88 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 82 35.0 2868
1986-87 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 82 37.1 3041
1985-86 Dominique Wilkins Atlanta Hawks 78 30.3 2366
1984-85 Bernard King New York Knicks 55 32.9 1809
1983-84 Adrian Dantley Utah Jazz 79 30.6 2418
1982-83 Alex English Denver Nuggets 82 28.4 2326
1981-82 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 79 32.3 2551
1980-81 Adrian Dantley Utah Jazz 80 30.7 2452
1979-80 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 78 33.1 2585
1978-79 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 80 29.6 2365
1977-78 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 82 27.2 2232
1976-77 Pete Maravich New Orleans Jazz 73 31.1 2273
1975-76 Bob McAdoo Buffalo Braves 78 31.1 2427
1974-75 Bob McAdoo Buffalo Braves 82 34.5 2831
1973-74 Bob McAdoo Buffalo Braves 74 30.6 2261
1972-73 Nate "Tiny" Archibald KC-Omaha Kings 80 34.0 2719
1971-72 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Milwaukee Bucks 81 34.8 2822
1970-71 Lew Alcindor (1) (2) Milwaukee Bucks 82 31.7 2596
1969-70 Jerry West L.A. Lakers 74 31.2 2309
1968-69 Elvin Hayes San Diego Rockets 82 28.4 2327
1967-68 Dave Bing Detroit Pistons 79 27.1 2142
1966-67 Rick Barry San Francisco Warriors 78 35.6 2775
1965-66 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia 76ers 79 33.5 2649
1964-65 Wilt Chamberlain S.F. Warriors - Phil. 76ers 73 34.7 2534
1963-64 Wilt Chamberlain San Francisco Warriors 80 36.9 2948
1962-63 Wilt Chamberlain San Francisco Warriors 80 44.8 3586
1961-62 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors 80 50.4 4029
1960-61 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors 79 38.4 3033
1959-60 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors 72 37.6 2707
1958-59 Bob Pettit St. Louis Hawks 72 29.2 2105
1957-58 George Yardley Detroit Pistons 72 27.8 2001
1956-57 Paul Arizin Philadelphia Warriors 71 25.6 1817
1955-56 Bob Pettit St. Louis Hawks 72 25.7 1849
1954-55 Neil Johnston Philadelphia Warriors 72 22.7 1631
1953-54 Neil Johnston Philadelphia Warriors 72 24.4 1759
1952-53 Neil Johnston Philadelphia Warriors 70 22.3 1564
1951-52 Paul Arizin Philadelphia Warriors 66 25.4 1674
1950-51 George Mikan Minneapolis Lakers 68 28.4 1932
1949-50 George Mikan (1) Minneapolis Lakers 68 27.4 1865
1948-49 George Mikan (1) Minneapolis Lakers 60 28.3 1698
1947-48 Max Zaslofsky Chicago Stags 48 21.0 1007
1946-47 Joe Fulks (1) Philadelphia Warriors

Long history of non champion type players that head the list. Jordan is a big execption. Wilt never won a chip when he lead the league.
Melo is Gervin, Dominique, Mcadoo, Bernard, Dantley, English, McGrady, Vince, Big Dogg, Glenn Rice, and host of proelific scorers who are great 3's or 4's but for what ever reason (perhaps no fault of their own) did not win a title as the top scorer.
Great box office attractions and can be fun to watch.
Is he a "winner"?
He has yet to earn that label in the eyes of most.

Melo is ~~Gervin, Dominique, Mcadoo, Bernard, Dantley, English, McGrady,~~ Vince, Big Dogg, Glenn Rice,
we don't dissagree much nalod, but I have to make a correction here... I think gervin, mcadoo, bernard, were moreso true Elite scorers and you could make an argument for English and dantley... even nique....
we understand not everyone can win a ring, I mentioned that many times.. but the argument that he is the "best" scorer, or "Best pure scorer".. just isn't true, and I think your list gives evidence to that.....
Why the NBA best scorer (Melo) is not that list? Oops I guess NBA history must be a hater lol. What surprise me is that even McGrady claimed the scoring title a couple of time and Melo for all his offensive skills doesn’t have one single accolade under his name.
Now, my expectations for Melo are not based on whether the Knicks win a title with him or not, instead I just want Melo to make the Knicks a real contender like a TRUE SUPERSTAR should do. Especially considering that we traded 4 young starters, gave the guy 85 million deal (Melo has a player option the 4th year) and a bunch of picks which limit our flexibility going foward.
So yea, I want to see results for that type of HUGE investment.
We traded four role players, lets not overstate things. Also, you conviently failed to mention that we got back Chauncey Billups aswell.
Please lets not start a melo haters vs melo lovers feud again. I dont think he was bashing melo he made a valid point. we are all hoping it works out great

Where in my post did I say anything about Melo!!!!!!!! Dude, your the one that's obsessed with twisting certain peoples posts and reading between the lines searchin for some type of Melo rhetoric when its not there. You do the same thing to Holfresh.....Cut it out already....

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KnicksFE wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
Uptown wrote:
KnicksFE wrote:
tkf wrote:
Nalod wrote:Year by year NBA Scoring Titles
NBA Scoring Leaders Year by Year

Season Scoring Leader Team Games Point Average Total Points
2010-11 Kevin Durant Oklahoma City Thunder 78 27.7 2,472
2009-10 Kevin Durant Oklahoma City Thunder 82 30.1 2,472
2008-09 Dwayne Wade Miami Heat 79 30.2 2,386
2007-08 Lebron James Cleveland Cavaliers 75 30.0 2250
2006-07 Kobe Bryant Los Angeles Lakers 77 31.6 2430
2005-06 Kobe Bryant Los Angeles Lakers 80 35.4 2832
2004-05 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 75 30,7 2302
2003-04 Tracy McGrady Orlando Magic 67 28.0 1878
2002-03 Tracy McGrady Orlando Magic 75 32.1 2407
2001-02 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 60 31.4 1883
2000-01 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 71 31.1 2207
1999-00 Shaquille O'Neal (1) L.A. Lakers 79 29.7 2344
1998-99 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 48 26.8 1284
1997-98 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 28.7 2357
1996-97 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 29.7 2431
1995-96 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 30.4 2491
1994-95 Shaquille O'Neal Orlando Magic 79 29.3 2315
1993-94 David Robinson San Antonio Spurs 80 29.8 2383
1992-93 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 78 32.6 2541
1991-92 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 80 30.1 2404
1990-91 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 31.5 2580
1989-90 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 82 33.6 2753
1988-89 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 81 32.5 2633
1987-88 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 82 35.0 2868
1986-87 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 82 37.1 3041
1985-86 Dominique Wilkins Atlanta Hawks 78 30.3 2366
1984-85 Bernard King New York Knicks 55 32.9 1809
1983-84 Adrian Dantley Utah Jazz 79 30.6 2418
1982-83 Alex English Denver Nuggets 82 28.4 2326
1981-82 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 79 32.3 2551
1980-81 Adrian Dantley Utah Jazz 80 30.7 2452
1979-80 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 78 33.1 2585
1978-79 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 80 29.6 2365
1977-78 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 82 27.2 2232
1976-77 Pete Maravich New Orleans Jazz 73 31.1 2273
1975-76 Bob McAdoo Buffalo Braves 78 31.1 2427
1974-75 Bob McAdoo Buffalo Braves 82 34.5 2831
1973-74 Bob McAdoo Buffalo Braves 74 30.6 2261
1972-73 Nate "Tiny" Archibald KC-Omaha Kings 80 34.0 2719
1971-72 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Milwaukee Bucks 81 34.8 2822
1970-71 Lew Alcindor (1) (2) Milwaukee Bucks 82 31.7 2596
1969-70 Jerry West L.A. Lakers 74 31.2 2309
1968-69 Elvin Hayes San Diego Rockets 82 28.4 2327
1967-68 Dave Bing Detroit Pistons 79 27.1 2142
1966-67 Rick Barry San Francisco Warriors 78 35.6 2775
1965-66 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia 76ers 79 33.5 2649
1964-65 Wilt Chamberlain S.F. Warriors - Phil. 76ers 73 34.7 2534
1963-64 Wilt Chamberlain San Francisco Warriors 80 36.9 2948
1962-63 Wilt Chamberlain San Francisco Warriors 80 44.8 3586
1961-62 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors 80 50.4 4029
1960-61 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors 79 38.4 3033
1959-60 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors 72 37.6 2707
1958-59 Bob Pettit St. Louis Hawks 72 29.2 2105
1957-58 George Yardley Detroit Pistons 72 27.8 2001
1956-57 Paul Arizin Philadelphia Warriors 71 25.6 1817
1955-56 Bob Pettit St. Louis Hawks 72 25.7 1849
1954-55 Neil Johnston Philadelphia Warriors 72 22.7 1631
1953-54 Neil Johnston Philadelphia Warriors 72 24.4 1759
1952-53 Neil Johnston Philadelphia Warriors 70 22.3 1564
1951-52 Paul Arizin Philadelphia Warriors 66 25.4 1674
1950-51 George Mikan Minneapolis Lakers 68 28.4 1932
1949-50 George Mikan (1) Minneapolis Lakers 68 27.4 1865
1948-49 George Mikan (1) Minneapolis Lakers 60 28.3 1698
1947-48 Max Zaslofsky Chicago Stags 48 21.0 1007
1946-47 Joe Fulks (1) Philadelphia Warriors

Long history of non champion type players that head the list. Jordan is a big execption. Wilt never won a chip when he lead the league.
Melo is Gervin, Dominique, Mcadoo, Bernard, Dantley, English, McGrady, Vince, Big Dogg, Glenn Rice, and host of proelific scorers who are great 3's or 4's but for what ever reason (perhaps no fault of their own) did not win a title as the top scorer.
Great box office attractions and can be fun to watch.
Is he a "winner"?
He has yet to earn that label in the eyes of most.

Melo is ~~Gervin, Dominique, Mcadoo, Bernard, Dantley, English, McGrady,~~ Vince, Big Dogg, Glenn Rice,
we don't dissagree much nalod, but I have to make a correction here... I think gervin, mcadoo, bernard, were moreso true Elite scorers and you could make an argument for English and dantley... even nique....
we understand not everyone can win a ring, I mentioned that many times.. but the argument that he is the "best" scorer, or "Best pure scorer".. just isn't true, and I think your list gives evidence to that.....
Why the NBA best scorer (Melo) is not that list? Oops I guess NBA history must be a hater lol. What surprise me is that even McGrady claimed the scoring title a couple of time and Melo for all his offensive skills doesn’t have one single accolade under his name.
Now, my expectations for Melo are not based on whether the Knicks win a title with him or not, instead I just want Melo to make the Knicks a real contender like a TRUE SUPERSTAR should do. Especially considering that we traded 4 young starters, gave the guy 85 million deal (Melo has a player option the 4th year) and a bunch of picks which limit our flexibility going foward.
So yea, I want to see results for that type of HUGE investment.
We traded four role players, lets not overstate things. Also, you conviently failed to mention that we got back Chauncey Billups aswell.
Please lets not start a melo haters vs melo lovers feud again. I dont think he was bashing melo he made a valid point. we are all hoping it works out great
We traded 4 young players 2 of them on their rookie contract, a bunch of picks and used 85 million of our salary cap on Melo. As far as Billups, I CAN’T believe we were also force to take that guy and his 14 million contract from the Nuggets, man they really took us to school.
How much total money did we save the Nuggets? No wonder they have two good players at every position and picks going their way courtesy of our beloved Knicks.

Did we give up too much? Yes, especially when you consider that Melo's options were nill being that we pulled the trade off in the 25th hour and it wasn't necessary to give up as much as we did. With that said, Again, we gave up role players who will help the Nuggs continue to spin their wheels and remain 1st rounder fodder to the best of the west.

Billups turned into Chandler which is an upgrade being that we needed a center in the worse way and the one guy (Felton) who I didn't want to part with in the Melo trade is back.

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Uptown wrote:
KnicksFE wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
Uptown wrote:
KnicksFE wrote:
tkf wrote:
Nalod wrote:Year by year NBA Scoring Titles
NBA Scoring Leaders Year by Year

Season Scoring Leader Team Games Point Average Total Points
2010-11 Kevin Durant Oklahoma City Thunder 78 27.7 2,472
2009-10 Kevin Durant Oklahoma City Thunder 82 30.1 2,472
2008-09 Dwayne Wade Miami Heat 79 30.2 2,386
2007-08 Lebron James Cleveland Cavaliers 75 30.0 2250
2006-07 Kobe Bryant Los Angeles Lakers 77 31.6 2430
2005-06 Kobe Bryant Los Angeles Lakers 80 35.4 2832
2004-05 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 75 30,7 2302
2003-04 Tracy McGrady Orlando Magic 67 28.0 1878
2002-03 Tracy McGrady Orlando Magic 75 32.1 2407
2001-02 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 60 31.4 1883
2000-01 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 71 31.1 2207
1999-00 Shaquille O'Neal (1) L.A. Lakers 79 29.7 2344
1998-99 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers 48 26.8 1284
1997-98 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 28.7 2357
1996-97 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 29.7 2431
1995-96 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 30.4 2491
1994-95 Shaquille O'Neal Orlando Magic 79 29.3 2315
1993-94 David Robinson San Antonio Spurs 80 29.8 2383
1992-93 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 78 32.6 2541
1991-92 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 80 30.1 2404
1990-91 Michael Jordan (1) Chicago Bulls 82 31.5 2580
1989-90 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 82 33.6 2753
1988-89 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 81 32.5 2633
1987-88 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 82 35.0 2868
1986-87 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls 82 37.1 3041
1985-86 Dominique Wilkins Atlanta Hawks 78 30.3 2366
1984-85 Bernard King New York Knicks 55 32.9 1809
1983-84 Adrian Dantley Utah Jazz 79 30.6 2418
1982-83 Alex English Denver Nuggets 82 28.4 2326
1981-82 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 79 32.3 2551
1980-81 Adrian Dantley Utah Jazz 80 30.7 2452
1979-80 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 78 33.1 2585
1978-79 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 80 29.6 2365
1977-78 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs 82 27.2 2232
1976-77 Pete Maravich New Orleans Jazz 73 31.1 2273
1975-76 Bob McAdoo Buffalo Braves 78 31.1 2427
1974-75 Bob McAdoo Buffalo Braves 82 34.5 2831
1973-74 Bob McAdoo Buffalo Braves 74 30.6 2261
1972-73 Nate "Tiny" Archibald KC-Omaha Kings 80 34.0 2719
1971-72 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Milwaukee Bucks 81 34.8 2822
1970-71 Lew Alcindor (1) (2) Milwaukee Bucks 82 31.7 2596
1969-70 Jerry West L.A. Lakers 74 31.2 2309
1968-69 Elvin Hayes San Diego Rockets 82 28.4 2327
1967-68 Dave Bing Detroit Pistons 79 27.1 2142
1966-67 Rick Barry San Francisco Warriors 78 35.6 2775
1965-66 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia 76ers 79 33.5 2649
1964-65 Wilt Chamberlain S.F. Warriors - Phil. 76ers 73 34.7 2534
1963-64 Wilt Chamberlain San Francisco Warriors 80 36.9 2948
1962-63 Wilt Chamberlain San Francisco Warriors 80 44.8 3586
1961-62 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors 80 50.4 4029
1960-61 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors 79 38.4 3033
1959-60 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors 72 37.6 2707
1958-59 Bob Pettit St. Louis Hawks 72 29.2 2105
1957-58 George Yardley Detroit Pistons 72 27.8 2001
1956-57 Paul Arizin Philadelphia Warriors 71 25.6 1817
1955-56 Bob Pettit St. Louis Hawks 72 25.7 1849
1954-55 Neil Johnston Philadelphia Warriors 72 22.7 1631
1953-54 Neil Johnston Philadelphia Warriors 72 24.4 1759
1952-53 Neil Johnston Philadelphia Warriors 70 22.3 1564
1951-52 Paul Arizin Philadelphia Warriors 66 25.4 1674
1950-51 George Mikan Minneapolis Lakers 68 28.4 1932
1949-50 George Mikan (1) Minneapolis Lakers 68 27.4 1865
1948-49 George Mikan (1) Minneapolis Lakers 60 28.3 1698
1947-48 Max Zaslofsky Chicago Stags 48 21.0 1007
1946-47 Joe Fulks (1) Philadelphia Warriors

Long history of non champion type players that head the list. Jordan is a big execption. Wilt never won a chip when he lead the league.
Melo is Gervin, Dominique, Mcadoo, Bernard, Dantley, English, McGrady, Vince, Big Dogg, Glenn Rice, and host of proelific scorers who are great 3's or 4's but for what ever reason (perhaps no fault of their own) did not win a title as the top scorer.
Great box office attractions and can be fun to watch.
Is he a "winner"?
He has yet to earn that label in the eyes of most.

Melo is ~~Gervin, Dominique, Mcadoo, Bernard, Dantley, English, McGrady,~~ Vince, Big Dogg, Glenn Rice,
we don't dissagree much nalod, but I have to make a correction here... I think gervin, mcadoo, bernard, were moreso true Elite scorers and you could make an argument for English and dantley... even nique....
we understand not everyone can win a ring, I mentioned that many times.. but the argument that he is the "best" scorer, or "Best pure scorer".. just isn't true, and I think your list gives evidence to that.....
Why the NBA best scorer (Melo) is not that list? Oops I guess NBA history must be a hater lol. What surprise me is that even McGrady claimed the scoring title a couple of time and Melo for all his offensive skills doesn’t have one single accolade under his name.
Now, my expectations for Melo are not based on whether the Knicks win a title with him or not, instead I just want Melo to make the Knicks a real contender like a TRUE SUPERSTAR should do. Especially considering that we traded 4 young starters, gave the guy 85 million deal (Melo has a player option the 4th year) and a bunch of picks which limit our flexibility going foward.
So yea, I want to see results for that type of HUGE investment.
We traded four role players, lets not overstate things. Also, you conviently failed to mention that we got back Chauncey Billups aswell.
Please lets not start a melo haters vs melo lovers feud again. I dont think he was bashing melo he made a valid point. we are all hoping it works out great
We traded 4 young players 2 of them on their rookie contract, a bunch of picks and used 85 million of our salary cap on Melo. As far as Billups, I CAN’T believe we were also force to take that guy and his 14 million contract from the Nuggets, man they really took us to school.
How much total money did we save the Nuggets? No wonder they have two good players at every position and picks going their way courtesy of our beloved Knicks.
Did we give up too much? Yes, especially when you consider that Melo's options were nill being that we pulled the trade off in the 25th hour and it wasn't necessary to give up as much as we did. With that said, Again, we gave up role players who will help the Nuggs continue to spin their wheels and remain 1st rounder fodder to the best of the west.
Billups turned into Chandler which is an upgrade being that we needed a center in the worse way and the one guy (Felton) who I didn't want to part with in the Melo trade is back.

There is no point talking about this its over. Everybody should be happy for the team we have now

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