tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Hate on Hate, but Hate has been accurate.

It all looks good on paper.

Let the Games prove what is real.

Marbury knows the deal. Knicks are to make money not championships.

We don't rebuild thru the draft in NY.

Neither do the Lakers. Kobe, Shaq, Gasol ... all non draftees

Miami? They hit the jackpot with Wade, everyone else of significance was an import.

We drafted Gallo, Hill ... we did not hit the jackpot - not at all. We also don't draft in the top 5 since we don't officially tank.

then maybe we should sign or trade for the right guys, like the lakers getting shaq...
we don't trade well or sign the right FA's either.. you have to look at all sides bro..

I do not dispute this. Never have.

Do you really think I don't want to trade for Shaq('s)? C'mon.

I want Garnett's not Amare's.

I wanted Lebron, Wade - we tried and failed. Did they jump and get desperate? Uh ... YES! But I will not blame the player for this.

i UNDERSTAND, but I do blame melo for trying to force the deal here, knowing what it would do to the knicks.. that is selfish. I remember players like Gary payton trying to nix deals because he said, the team he would be going to would be stripped of all of the talent that would help him win..

for me, if carmelo had said out loud to denver.. I am going to wait and just sign with the knicks in the offseason because I don't want to strip the talent of the team I am joining, then honestly, I would have given him a lot of credit.. although I don't like him as a player, I would have respected him..... and that was within his control, carmelo could have done that.. Instead he wanted to get paid, and I can't fault anyone for wanting that.... but we have choices and with those come consequences.... Honestly would 85 mil not have cut it for the anthony family budget? didn't lebron and wade take cuts to play together.. It can be done, and it also shows a huge commitment to wanting to win.. as they say.. money talks...

Its a nice dream but we all know the business side to it would make it really hard.

At the same time Dwight Howard could have been a free agent and gotten himself to Brooklyn basically with the N*ts having to renounce or trade BroPez. He messed up a the trade deadline. Reality was his back was likely bothersome and the prospect of going into free agency after a back operation is not a good move either.

Melo had off season knee surgery and might not have passed a physical for insurance purposes. He has a problem with an operation (a statistical possibilty) he throws away $100,000,000!!!

When Lebron went to Miami there was basically very little roster at that time.

Fan wise the Melo trade was pretty much a win-win. Denver was tired of him and they have a good team in the aftermath. Knick fans are tickled pink to have a top 5 scorer to root for.

nixluva wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:There's really no excuse for either Amare or Melo that they don't have enough talent. If Amare is really worth $100M, Melo as a top 10 player should be a worthy sidekick.

Ditto for Melo.

The plague known as MDA has been removed. Ballhog, can't go left, chemistry ruining Lin is gone.

If all the critics and Woody can't make those 2 play at least average D then all hope is lost for the next 3 years.

Of course STAT and Melo aren't worth $100 mil. That's really not the point. That's what it took for NY to land them so that's what it is. What matters most if for Woody to find a way to get both players going this year. They have to find a flow that works when Melo, STAT & Tyson are all on the floor. I think Woody and his staff will find a way for these guys to flow now that they have Felton and Kidd running the point. I think Hakeem will be able to get them on the same page mentally as well.

When STAT and Melo are focused they can defend and I fully expect them to be more focused this year. I think they realize that this is their time to really put it all together. This roster is built to defend and to win at a high level IMO.

MDA was not a plague, he simply didn't fit this team as it was constructed after the Melo trade. The team was mismatched at that point. Lin needs his own team and I think he'll be good in Houston. This team has a much more clear direction now with MDA and Lin gone. Now this team can play a style that fits Melo better and the hope is that Woody can get the rest of the team to excel playing a style that is a bit more post oriented. They can still spread the floor but now will focus on going inside 1st and that should work for this current roster. We've got bigs that should be able to score inside and draw fouls. That should open up shots on the perimeter when teams collapse. The passing has to be crisp.

I was being semi-sarcastic about MDA. His system did not fit Melo and he wasn't willing to coach any other way.

I'm very hopeful about this season. I think everyone on this board can agree that if everyone stays healthy there are NO excuses for Melo and Amare this season.

Can't blame MDA and all of his flaws as coach: alleged non-focus on defense, failure to communicate with players, failure to resurrect Darko and Anthony Randolph, etc.

Amare can't complain about having to play center and bang with true centers. (Kind of smokes signal that he might be dumb since he feasted off those guys on offense) Chandler/Camby/Krazy Kurt are all here to do what he hasn't shown the ability (or effort?) to do on D.

Both of them can't complain about not having a floor general. Kidd is old but he can still feed guys. Felton, according to many people who pooped all over Lin, is a starting caliber PG.

Melo has Woody's support and the ball will be in his hands. Amare can't say Woody doesn't emphasize D.

Full offseason. Players coming in early. Largely the same roster (Melo, Novak, Shump, Amare, Chandler, etc). The same coach.

No more excuses. If we get swept in the first round this season or fail to finish with at least 50 wins and people want to bash Melo/Amare I won't have anything left to defend them with.

Nalod wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Hate on Hate, but Hate has been accurate.

It all looks good on paper.

Let the Games prove what is real.

Marbury knows the deal. Knicks are to make money not championships.

We don't rebuild thru the draft in NY.

Neither do the Lakers. Kobe, Shaq, Gasol ... all non draftees

Miami? They hit the jackpot with Wade, everyone else of significance was an import.

We drafted Gallo, Hill ... we did not hit the jackpot - not at all. We also don't draft in the top 5 since we don't officially tank.

then maybe we should sign or trade for the right guys, like the lakers getting shaq...
we don't trade well or sign the right FA's either.. you have to look at all sides bro..

I do not dispute this. Never have.

Do you really think I don't want to trade for Shaq('s)? C'mon.

I want Garnett's not Amare's.

I wanted Lebron, Wade - we tried and failed. Did they jump and get desperate? Uh ... YES! But I will not blame the player for this.

i UNDERSTAND, but I do blame melo for trying to force the deal here, knowing what it would do to the knicks.. that is selfish. I remember players like Gary payton trying to nix deals because he said, the team he would be going to would be stripped of all of the talent that would help him win..

for me, if carmelo had said out loud to denver.. I am going to wait and just sign with the knicks in the offseason because I don't want to strip the talent of the team I am joining, then honestly, I would have given him a lot of credit.. although I don't like him as a player, I would have respected him..... and that was within his control, carmelo could have done that.. Instead he wanted to get paid, and I can't fault anyone for wanting that.... but we have choices and with those come consequences.... Honestly would 85 mil not have cut it for the anthony family budget? didn't lebron and wade take cuts to play together.. It can be done, and it also shows a huge commitment to wanting to win.. as they say.. money talks...

Its a nice dream but we all know the business side to it would make it really hard.

At the same time Dwight Howard could have been a free agent and gotten himself to Brooklyn basically with the N*ts having to renounce or trade BroPez. He messed up a the trade deadline. Reality was his back was likely bothersome and the prospect of going into free agency after a back operation is not a good move either.

Melo had off season knee surgery and might not have passed a physical for insurance purposes. He has a problem with an operation (a statistical possibilty) he throws away $100,000,000!!!

When Lebron went to Miami there was basically very little roster at that time.

Fan wise the Melo trade was pretty much a win-win. Denver was tired of him and they have a good team in the aftermath. Knick fans are tickled pink to have a top 5 scorer to root for.

Nice dream indeed: truly unselfish max players all over the planet thinking: "Geez, I'd just love to be on a team with Gallo and the Mayor and Moz...sounds like the wave of the future..."

Knick fans who were getting high on cap space moves and drooling over the OKC model were tickling themselves over the beauty of youth and endless potential for that all elusive next year when Lebron or Dwight or CP3 or ANY OTHER STARPHUCQUE other than the two we did sign would finally be available and these beleagured fans would then be able to raise their heads high at the sportsbars once again. Alas, it is to cry.

Instead, we have a scorer/finisher who smiles too much who's sooooo terribly hard to root for.

Gallo love. Yoot love. Melo hate. Lebron envy.

Really tough sheehit.

Move on.

Old and nasty worked for Boston, way back when.

Let the games begin!

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Nalod wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Hate on Hate, but Hate has been accurate.

It all looks good on paper.

Let the Games prove what is real.

Marbury knows the deal. Knicks are to make money not championships.

We don't rebuild thru the draft in NY.

Neither do the Lakers. Kobe, Shaq, Gasol ... all non draftees

Miami? They hit the jackpot with Wade, everyone else of significance was an import.

We drafted Gallo, Hill ... we did not hit the jackpot - not at all. We also don't draft in the top 5 since we don't officially tank.

then maybe we should sign or trade for the right guys, like the lakers getting shaq...
we don't trade well or sign the right FA's either.. you have to look at all sides bro..

I do not dispute this. Never have.

Do you really think I don't want to trade for Shaq('s)? C'mon.

I want Garnett's not Amare's.

I wanted Lebron, Wade - we tried and failed. Did they jump and get desperate? Uh ... YES! But I will not blame the player for this.

i UNDERSTAND, but I do blame melo for trying to force the deal here, knowing what it would do to the knicks.. that is selfish. I remember players like Gary payton trying to nix deals because he said, the team he would be going to would be stripped of all of the talent that would help him win..

for me, if carmelo had said out loud to denver.. I am going to wait and just sign with the knicks in the offseason because I don't want to strip the talent of the team I am joining, then honestly, I would have given him a lot of credit.. although I don't like him as a player, I would have respected him..... and that was within his control, carmelo could have done that.. Instead he wanted to get paid, and I can't fault anyone for wanting that.... but we have choices and with those come consequences.... Honestly would 85 mil not have cut it for the anthony family budget? didn't lebron and wade take cuts to play together.. It can be done, and it also shows a huge commitment to wanting to win.. as they say.. money talks...

Its a nice dream but we all know the business side to it would make it really hard.

At the same time Dwight Howard could have been a free agent and gotten himself to Brooklyn basically with the N*ts having to renounce or trade BroPez. He messed up a the trade deadline. Reality was his back was likely bothersome and the prospect of going into free agency after a back operation is not a good move either.

Melo had off season knee surgery and might not have passed a physical for insurance purposes. He has a problem with an operation (a statistical possibilty) he throws away $100,000,000!!!

When Lebron went to Miami there was basically very little roster at that time.

Fan wise the Melo trade was pretty much a win-win. Denver was tired of him and they have a good team in the aftermath. Knick fans are tickled pink to have a top 5 scorer to root for.

Nice dream indeed: truly unselfish max players all over the planet thinking: "Geez, I'd just love to be on a team with Gallo and the Mayor and Moz...sounds like the wave of the future..."

Knick fans who were getting high on cap space moves and drooling over the OKC model were tickling themselves over the beauty of youth and endless potential for that all elusive next year when Lebron or Dwight or CP3 or ANY OTHER STARPHUCQUE other than the two we did sign would finally be available and these beleagured fans would then be able to raise their heads high at the sportsbars once again. Alas, it is to cry.

Instead, we have a scorer/finisher who smiles too much who's sooooo terribly hard to root for.

Gallo love. Yoot love. Melo hate. Lebron envy.

Really tough sheehit.

Move on.

Old and nasty worked for Boston, way back when.

Let the games begin!

amare came.. does that not count?

Not really. He had 2 choices and 1 was for 40 million more. He is a good guy but he gets no credit for coming here. We did him a huge favor - he did not do us any favors. He took the money.

Now, if he too 5-6 million less a year as you have suggested in regards to other players, then he would get "credit" in my book.

Signing the only Max deal was a no brainer for him.

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Nalod wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Hate on Hate, but Hate has been accurate.

It all looks good on paper.

Let the Games prove what is real.

Marbury knows the deal. Knicks are to make money not championships.

We don't rebuild thru the draft in NY.

Neither do the Lakers. Kobe, Shaq, Gasol ... all non draftees

Miami? They hit the jackpot with Wade, everyone else of significance was an import.

We drafted Gallo, Hill ... we did not hit the jackpot - not at all. We also don't draft in the top 5 since we don't officially tank.

then maybe we should sign or trade for the right guys, like the lakers getting shaq...
we don't trade well or sign the right FA's either.. you have to look at all sides bro..

I do not dispute this. Never have.

Do you really think I don't want to trade for Shaq('s)? C'mon.

I want Garnett's not Amare's.

I wanted Lebron, Wade - we tried and failed. Did they jump and get desperate? Uh ... YES! But I will not blame the player for this.

i UNDERSTAND, but I do blame melo for trying to force the deal here, knowing what it would do to the knicks.. that is selfish. I remember players like Gary payton trying to nix deals because he said, the team he would be going to would be stripped of all of the talent that would help him win..

for me, if carmelo had said out loud to denver.. I am going to wait and just sign with the knicks in the offseason because I don't want to strip the talent of the team I am joining, then honestly, I would have given him a lot of credit.. although I don't like him as a player, I would have respected him..... and that was within his control, carmelo could have done that.. Instead he wanted to get paid, and I can't fault anyone for wanting that.... but we have choices and with those come consequences.... Honestly would 85 mil not have cut it for the anthony family budget? didn't lebron and wade take cuts to play together.. It can be done, and it also shows a huge commitment to wanting to win.. as they say.. money talks...

Its a nice dream but we all know the business side to it would make it really hard.

At the same time Dwight Howard could have been a free agent and gotten himself to Brooklyn basically with the N*ts having to renounce or trade BroPez. He messed up a the trade deadline. Reality was his back was likely bothersome and the prospect of going into free agency after a back operation is not a good move either.

Melo had off season knee surgery and might not have passed a physical for insurance purposes. He has a problem with an operation (a statistical possibilty) he throws away $100,000,000!!!

When Lebron went to Miami there was basically very little roster at that time.

Fan wise the Melo trade was pretty much a win-win. Denver was tired of him and they have a good team in the aftermath. Knick fans are tickled pink to have a top 5 scorer to root for.

Nice dream indeed: truly unselfish max players all over the planet thinking: "Geez, I'd just love to be on a team with Gallo and the Mayor and Moz...sounds like the wave of the future..."

Knick fans who were getting high on cap space moves and drooling over the OKC model were tickling themselves over the beauty of youth and endless potential for that all elusive next year when Lebron or Dwight or CP3 or ANY OTHER STARPHUCQUE other than the two we did sign would finally be available and these beleagured fans would then be able to raise their heads high at the sportsbars once again. Alas, it is to cry.

Instead, we have a scorer/finisher who smiles too much who's sooooo terribly hard to root for.

Gallo love. Yoot love. Melo hate. Lebron envy.

Really tough sheehit.

Move on.

Old and nasty worked for Boston, way back when.

Let the games begin!

amare came.. does that not count?

Not really. He had 2 choices and 1 was for 40 million more. He is a good guy but he gets no credit for coming here. We did him a huge favor - he did not do us any favors. He took the money.

Now, if he too 5-6 million less a year as you have suggested in regards to other players, then he would get "credit" in my book.

Signing the only Max deal was a no brainer for him.

ok, well that helps my point.. no one is coming to play with gallo, chandler and carmelo for that matter, they are going where they can get the most money, most of the time..... why didn't nash come here to play with melo? why isn't kenyon running here to play with His BOY melo on the cheap? guys want to get paid.. all of this coming here to play with this guy or that guy is hogwash.. unless you are lebron, kobe, prime shaq... no one is running to play with non super studs...

If you think so, you make that trade with out a blink of the eye.

If Nash thinks he can put us over the top? He makes his way here.

Suns Im sure would have preffered he not play in the west. Just my guess.

I think Lin we still in the mix when Nash made his move.

If Kobe wants Nash then he is willing to scale it back. Kobe talks like he knows he needs to delegate more.

Lakes starters are strong but the bench will be thin.

as bryant ages he will need to morph into more of a jumpshooter, although i don't think he is effective as a catch and shoot guy which could be a problem. nash is already a great jumpshooter. i see them taking turns as drivers and shooters, preserving each other. if bryant refuses to adapt his game then yes it will get ugly.

nash coming here would have been great, since he loves new york and i believe has a place here.

but how would nash solved the biggest problem of all: getting one undersized 4 masquerading as a 3 and a 3 masquerading as a 4 or 5 to be productive with and for one another? the melo stoudemire pairing is just plain impossible. and woodson does not have the ability to work that out.

additionally, how can the knicks have a defensive identity when their two most expensive players are not defensive-minded?

this team must have looked pretty whack for nash not to want to come here to his second home.

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Nalod wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Hate on Hate, but Hate has been accurate.

It all looks good on paper.

Let the Games prove what is real.

Marbury knows the deal. Knicks are to make money not championships.

We don't rebuild thru the draft in NY.

Neither do the Lakers. Kobe, Shaq, Gasol ... all non draftees

Miami? They hit the jackpot with Wade, everyone else of significance was an import.

We drafted Gallo, Hill ... we did not hit the jackpot - not at all. We also don't draft in the top 5 since we don't officially tank.

then maybe we should sign or trade for the right guys, like the lakers getting shaq...
we don't trade well or sign the right FA's either.. you have to look at all sides bro..

I do not dispute this. Never have.

Do you really think I don't want to trade for Shaq('s)? C'mon.

I want Garnett's not Amare's.

I wanted Lebron, Wade - we tried and failed. Did they jump and get desperate? Uh ... YES! But I will not blame the player for this.

i UNDERSTAND, but I do blame melo for trying to force the deal here, knowing what it would do to the knicks.. that is selfish. I remember players like Gary payton trying to nix deals because he said, the team he would be going to would be stripped of all of the talent that would help him win..

for me, if carmelo had said out loud to denver.. I am going to wait and just sign with the knicks in the offseason because I don't want to strip the talent of the team I am joining, then honestly, I would have given him a lot of credit.. although I don't like him as a player, I would have respected him..... and that was within his control, carmelo could have done that.. Instead he wanted to get paid, and I can't fault anyone for wanting that.... but we have choices and with those come consequences.... Honestly would 85 mil not have cut it for the anthony family budget? didn't lebron and wade take cuts to play together.. It can be done, and it also shows a huge commitment to wanting to win.. as they say.. money talks...

Its a nice dream but we all know the business side to it would make it really hard.

At the same time Dwight Howard could have been a free agent and gotten himself to Brooklyn basically with the N*ts having to renounce or trade BroPez. He messed up a the trade deadline. Reality was his back was likely bothersome and the prospect of going into free agency after a back operation is not a good move either.

Melo had off season knee surgery and might not have passed a physical for insurance purposes. He has a problem with an operation (a statistical possibilty) he throws away $100,000,000!!!

When Lebron went to Miami there was basically very little roster at that time.

Fan wise the Melo trade was pretty much a win-win. Denver was tired of him and they have a good team in the aftermath. Knick fans are tickled pink to have a top 5 scorer to root for.

Nice dream indeed: truly unselfish max players all over the planet thinking: "Geez, I'd just love to be on a team with Gallo and the Mayor and Moz...sounds like the wave of the future..."

Knick fans who were getting high on cap space moves and drooling over the OKC model were tickling themselves over the beauty of youth and endless potential for that all elusive next year when Lebron or Dwight or CP3 or ANY OTHER STARPHUCQUE other than the two we did sign would finally be available and these beleagured fans would then be able to raise their heads high at the sportsbars once again. Alas, it is to cry.

Instead, we have a scorer/finisher who smiles too much who's sooooo terribly hard to root for.

Gallo love. Yoot love. Melo hate. Lebron envy.

Really tough sheehit.

Move on.

Old and nasty worked for Boston, way back when.

Let the games begin!

amare came.. does that not count?

Not really. He had 2 choices and 1 was for 40 million more. He is a good guy but he gets no credit for coming here. We did him a huge favor - he did not do us any favors. He took the money.

Now, if he too 5-6 million less a year as you have suggested in regards to other players, then he would get "credit" in my book.

Signing the only Max deal was a no brainer for him.

ok, well that helps my point.. no one is coming to play with gallo, chandler and carmelo for that matter, they are going where they can get the most money, most of the time..... why didn't nash come here to play with melo? why isn't kenyon running here to play with His BOY melo on the cheap? guys want to get paid.. all of this coming here to play with this guy or that guy is hogwash.. unless you are lebron, kobe, prime shaq... no one is running to play with non super studs...

See this is what hate will get you: incoherence.

First you say: Melo was supposed to say

I can't strip the team of talent

no is coming to play with gallo, chandler

As stated, Amare got paid. For $100 mil he would have signed to play with you and Nalod and two other N*yets cheerleaders.
[Sorry, Brooklyn is just so intoxicating of a subject, I just have to mention them in almost every post]

I will still root for the knicks... could care less about melo

It must be difficult to be you.