AlexanderFuSheng wrote:What does this have to do with The Knicks??

More importantly, does it have anything to do with the N*yets?

jrodmc wrote:

AlexanderFuSheng wrote:What does this have to do with The Knicks??

More importantly, does it have anything to do with the N*yets?

Not directly related (OT) but there are always a similarities.
Knicks organization is dictatorship and that’s why it is in bad shape... and will be until Jimmy will became irrelevant this way or another.

nyvector16 wrote:The Attack in Libya was preplanned.. The chaos ensuing across the other 10+ countries is completely due to the movie.

The only purpose of the movie was to stir up trouble in the Middle East and have Obama take the blame on the unrest, deaths, etc.. etc...
The movie is an election year gimmick by callous & calculating evil people to try and help bring down the president.

This is without a doubt the most idiotic post on this forum EVER. Get a clue buddy

smackeddog wrote:

arkrud wrote:
I never said that people in the West are superior. People do same bad things everywhere. I am looking at the society as a whole from the results of their collective being.
Do you really believe that live in Middle East is more secure, average folks have more freedom and opportunities in live, are on average better off financially, have more access to advances of culture, science, medicine, entertainment, sports? What about stoning woman, home violence, torcher, poisoning girls to deny them access to education, beheadings, suicide bombings, massacres of any other cast/tribes, killing of infidels only because they believe in same God called by other name? What about resolving debates by violence and destruction which going on now. Is this civilized? Is this civilized in the specific "Islam culture" terms or in general?
What the current Middle East Islam culture brought to the world of man? Any great inventions? Any examples of greatness and compassion? If you know - then tell me the examples. Because I cannot see much. What this people are bringing to the human civilization that worth keeping and remembering?

But again, you're picking out the worst excesses of the middle east, and comparing them to the best elements of western civilization. Stoning of women is disgraceful, but depressingly there is a lot of domestic violence in the west, in which women are beaten, raped or killed. Beheading someone is pretty much the same as electrocuting them or giving them a lethal injection in my opinion. The west resorts to violence and destruction (and in the case of Iraq, seem to relish it) all the time, and because of their military technologies, they end up killing and destroying far more than 'backward societies' do. Incidentally, one reason that there is beheadings and torture is because the west actively supported regimes that used such methods, all under the gise of realpolitik.

The problem is that a lot of the time being 'civilized' is in actual fact carrying out the same monstrous actions, but doing so while being smartly dressed and well mannered whilst making intellectual justifications. There is a lot to hate and change in the middle east, but there is also in the west too- I think we all need to advance. The whole West being incompatible with islamic cultures, is overblown- basically if everyone can figure out that you can disagree with someone without having to kill them, everything should be fine!

And in answer to the question "What the current Middle East Islam culture brought to the world of man?", I presume you mean 'people' not 'man' (misogyny ), what have you brought to the world of people? What have you personally brought to human civilization that's worth keeping and remembering? If you're anything like me the answer is nothing! (our Knick posts on this board don't count!)- I'm sure people in our western civilization have invented some useful stuff over the years, but I haven't, does that mean we're backward people? To be honest I think people with their existence alone make a valuable contribution to the world they live in.

I am focusing on the end result (same as with Knicks team). And end result is well... different. I will leave it up to you. I personally like the live in the West better and in USA the most. You can live in Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Iran or Iraq if you like the live of the people in this countries better. Good luck to you.
I do not think we in the West should interfere at all in internal lives of this countries. We should not bother of helping anybody there too. They know better what they want. And we will be also better off. But I expect same from them too. We have our rules here and if they will come to live in the West they will have to follow them. And we should make sure they do.

nykshaknbake wrote:Stalin, Hitler and Mao buried a lot of people.

jrodmc wrote:

Vmart wrote:That's religion for you. Biggest cause of death for humanity.

Yeah. Very true. Especially the religion of atheism.

Nobody can compare with that body count.

They dont make a dent in the tally of warfare over religion.

markvmc wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:Stalin, Hitler and Mao buried a lot of people.

jrodmc wrote:

Vmart wrote:That's religion for you. Biggest cause of death for humanity.

Yeah. Very true. Especially the religion of atheism.

Nobody can compare with that body count.

Hitler, at least if we take his word for it, was no atheist:

Mein Kampf: "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

Vmart wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:Stalin, Hitler and Mao buried a lot of people.

jrodmc wrote:

Vmart wrote:That's religion for you. Biggest cause of death for humanity.

Yeah. Very true. Especially the religion of atheism.

Nobody can compare with that body count.

They dont make a dent in the tally of warfare over religion.

Really? Go add the numbers up again and let me know how that works out for you.
Hitler, despite his pseudo-religiousity that also mixed in astrology and other megalomaniacalisms, spoke profusely on driving evolution forward. He also handed out Neitzsche.
Stalin - they're still trying to count the bodies.
Mao - ditto.
Pol Pot - just a few million.

arkrud wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/radical-islamic-terror-flicks-insult-humanity-deeply-idiot-film-muslims-a-felonious-man-article-1.1161857

Radical Islamic terror ‘flicks’ insult humanity far more deeply than an idiot film about Muslims by a felonious con man

If New Yorkers stormed embassies with murderous rage after 9/11, the NYPD would wrap us in huge orange nets, but the video of the twin towers falling, not to mention those of Daniel Pearl's beheading and the slaughter at the 1972 Munich Olympics are the true evil

C’mon, who’s obscene?

I’m having a hard time believing that Islamic extremists from more than 20 countries actually hold 300 million Americans responsible for a single amateur film, an incoherent anti-Islamic screed made by a convicted felon on parole for credit-card scams.

Okay, maybe one or two offended people could be that dumb. But no way could tens of thousands of folks in 20 countries believe the same line of nonsense that this film is representative of the entire American people.

And yet in the wake of four Americans murdered in Libya last week, here were fiery images from around the world as outraged Muslims attacked our consulates, embassies and even an American fast-food joint to avenge the twisted vision of one American con man with a camcorder. A film that esteemed Daily News movie critic Joe Neumaier says would have more social significance, as the old Hollywood line goes, if you cut it up and sold it for mandolin picks.

But somehow this obscure film has caused the Arab Spring to bloom into American funeral wreaths.

It got me thinking that we live in New York City, home of the United Nations, host of every one of those Islamic nations now erupting in irrational anti-American violence. Suppose New Yorkers decided to retaliate and storm all their diplomatic outposts, killing ambassadors and other innocents because we were outraged by an Islamist film that we found offensive?

The NYPD riot squad, hate crime unit, FBI and National Guard would be out rounding us up in orange fishing nets.

And, believe me, we have lots more than one dopey fictional film to be offended by.

Go online and you’ll find authentic real-life footage detailing radical Islamist atrocities that any rational person would find far more blasphemous to the human spirit than anything in the YouTube trailer that has set the Muslim world ablaze.

Start with these 10 videos:

1) The beheading of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl on an Al Qaeda website, perhaps one of the most evil videos ever shot.

2) American hostage Eugene Armstrong being beheaded in Iraq.

3) Hooded terrorists killing Israeli athletes at the 1972 Munich Olympic Games.

4) The second plane smashing into the South Tower of the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001.

5) Human beings leaping to their doom from the Trade Center.

6) The collapse of the twin towers as people are obliterated inside.

7) A woman being stoned to death for adultery in Saudi Arabia.

8) The bodies of four U.S. contractors hanging from a bridge above the Euphrates River in Fallujah, Iraq.

9) The aftermath of the 2000 attack on the destroyer Cole.

10) The embassy bombings in Sudan.

There are hundreds of such real-life videos available online detailing radical Islamist crimes against humanity. Footage so violent that it is seared into memory for a lifetime.

And yet here are radical Islamists rioting, storming American embassies, killing our ambassador and three others over an amateur movie few would have ever heard of unless these killers and protesters brought it to the world’s attention.

There are many legitimate incidents that moderate Muslims can condemn America for in the recent past. No one should forget the abuses in Abu Ghraib prison outside Baghdad. History will not be kind to George W. Bush and his band of merry neo cons for ordering the bombing of Iraq, which had nothing to do with 9/11 . There is also President Obama reneging on his promise to close Gitmo . And the ongoing killing of innocents with misguided drone attacks in the Middle East.

There are legitimate gripes reasonable Muslims can air. Instead, radical Islamists chose to kill and riot over a ridiculous and unreleased indie flick on Sept. 11.

If they want to view some truly obscene film, they should watch extremists storm the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi with machine guns and grenade launchers to murder Chris Stevens, a friend of the people of Libya, and three other innocents, in the name of Allah and the Prophet Muhammed.

That’s an obscene piece of film.

That’s evil.

Very true... but yet again we cannot look at this people like they are thinking similar to us.
They have no live and no future, no purpose and no values.
This is not their fault, this is their live.
We should take it for what it is. Dangerous, lawless, messed up place. Just stay away and let them be.
They need time... long time.

...and we're back to being racist again.

How many of the population do you actually think behead people? Or stone women? Probably about the same percentage as people who rape and beat women, and murder people in the US. So I suppose all Americans are rapists and murderers- savages all of them!

And depressingly there is lots of sick s*** on youtube, and even more depressingly it's watched by millions of people from every country (including the US), some of whom seem to enjoy it or find it funny.

smackeddog wrote:

arkrud wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/radical-islamic-terror-flicks-insult-humanity-deeply-idiot-film-muslims-a-felonious-man-article-1.1161857

Radical Islamic terror ‘flicks’ insult humanity far more deeply than an idiot film about Muslims by a felonious con man

If New Yorkers stormed embassies with murderous rage after 9/11, the NYPD would wrap us in huge orange nets, but the video of the twin towers falling, not to mention those of Daniel Pearl's beheading and the slaughter at the 1972 Munich Olympics are the true evil

C’mon, who’s obscene?

I’m having a hard time believing that Islamic extremists from more than 20 countries actually hold 300 million Americans responsible for a single amateur film, an incoherent anti-Islamic screed made by a convicted felon on parole for credit-card scams.

Okay, maybe one or two offended people could be that dumb. But no way could tens of thousands of folks in 20 countries believe the same line of nonsense that this film is representative of the entire American people.

And yet in the wake of four Americans murdered in Libya last week, here were fiery images from around the world as outraged Muslims attacked our consulates, embassies and even an American fast-food joint to avenge the twisted vision of one American con man with a camcorder. A film that esteemed Daily News movie critic Joe Neumaier says would have more social significance, as the old Hollywood line goes, if you cut it up and sold it for mandolin picks.

But somehow this obscure film has caused the Arab Spring to bloom into American funeral wreaths.

It got me thinking that we live in New York City, home of the United Nations, host of every one of those Islamic nations now erupting in irrational anti-American violence. Suppose New Yorkers decided to retaliate and storm all their diplomatic outposts, killing ambassadors and other innocents because we were outraged by an Islamist film that we found offensive?

The NYPD riot squad, hate crime unit, FBI and National Guard would be out rounding us up in orange fishing nets.

And, believe me, we have lots more than one dopey fictional film to be offended by.

Go online and you’ll find authentic real-life footage detailing radical Islamist atrocities that any rational person would find far more blasphemous to the human spirit than anything in the YouTube trailer that has set the Muslim world ablaze.

Start with these 10 videos:

1) The beheading of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl on an Al Qaeda website, perhaps one of the most evil videos ever shot.

2) American hostage Eugene Armstrong being beheaded in Iraq.

3) Hooded terrorists killing Israeli athletes at the 1972 Munich Olympic Games.

4) The second plane smashing into the South Tower of the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001.

5) Human beings leaping to their doom from the Trade Center.

6) The collapse of the twin towers as people are obliterated inside.

7) A woman being stoned to death for adultery in Saudi Arabia.

8) The bodies of four U.S. contractors hanging from a bridge above the Euphrates River in Fallujah, Iraq.

9) The aftermath of the 2000 attack on the destroyer Cole.

10) The embassy bombings in Sudan.

There are hundreds of such real-life videos available online detailing radical Islamist crimes against humanity. Footage so violent that it is seared into memory for a lifetime.

And yet here are radical Islamists rioting, storming American embassies, killing our ambassador and three others over an amateur movie few would have ever heard of unless these killers and protesters brought it to the world’s attention.

There are many legitimate incidents that moderate Muslims can condemn America for in the recent past. No one should forget the abuses in Abu Ghraib prison outside Baghdad. History will not be kind to George W. Bush and his band of merry neo cons for ordering the bombing of Iraq, which had nothing to do with 9/11 . There is also President Obama reneging on his promise to close Gitmo . And the ongoing killing of innocents with misguided drone attacks in the Middle East.

There are legitimate gripes reasonable Muslims can air. Instead, radical Islamists chose to kill and riot over a ridiculous and unreleased indie flick on Sept. 11.

If they want to view some truly obscene film, they should watch extremists storm the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi with machine guns and grenade launchers to murder Chris Stevens, a friend of the people of Libya, and three other innocents, in the name of Allah and the Prophet Muhammed.

That’s an obscene piece of film.

That’s evil.

Very true... but yet again we cannot look at this people like they are thinking similar to us.
They have no live and no future, no purpose and no values.
This is not their fault, this is their live.
We should take it for what it is. Dangerous, lawless, messed up place. Just stay away and let them be.
They need time... long time.

...and we're back to being racist again.

How many of the population do you actually think behead people? Or stone women? Probably about the same percentage as people who rape and beat women, and murder people in the US. So I suppose all Americans are rapists and murderers- savages all of them!And depressingly there is lots of sick s*** on youtube, and even more depressingly it's watched by millions of people from every country (including the US), some of whom seem to enjoy it or find it funny.

While I don’t consider everyone in the in the Middle East anti-America or radical, I’m very surprise every time I see thousands of extremist (including young children) celebrating in the street the killing of innocents in other countries and claiming for more of the same. I believe that’s the difference between them and us, here in the U.S. you don’t see the rapists or the murderers celebrating their evil acts in the street, our society definitely wouldn’t tolerate that.

KnicksFE wrote:

While I don’t consider everyone in the in the Middle East anti-America or radical, I’m very surprise every time I see thousands of extremist (including young children) celebrating in the street the killing of innocents in other countries and claiming for more of the same. I believe that’s the difference between them and us, here in the U.S. you don’t see the rapists or the murderers celebrating their evil acts in the street, our society definitely wouldn’t tolerate that.

Unfortunately they don't see those people as innocent or see them as acceptable collateral damage. We do pretty much the same- remember that "USA" chant and all the celebrations when Bin Laden got blasted. We also rationalize the killing of innocent people all the time- every war we basically decide that their deaths are acceptable in achieving our goals. At the end of every war, we have a little parade celeberating victory.

Culturally, in the middle east, there is more of an emphasis on exaggeration and passion- it's why fights always look so heated- you smash things, you shout, you make threats (you look crazy!), it's why these protests always look worse than they are. And plus for all the thousands taking part in the protests, there are millions of people who aren't- I don't get why people judge entire societies based on angry people shown on the news. It's like basing opinions on US society, on KKK marches or those really extreme christians who want to destroy all non-believing countries.

People are the same everywhere you go- the problem when you start looking down on other societies, or start judging everyone based on a a section of it, is you either cut yourself off from them, believing you can never get on with them, or you start using it to justify bombing the s*** out of them believing it's the only way they'll learn. In the past decade or so we've leveled Iraq, Afghanistan and let Israel flatten Lebanon. In the process we killed many, many civilians. A few soldiers raped and killed innocent civillians. In Guantanamo a few soldiers sexually abused and tortured prisoners. We've used torture as an acceptable measure during the 'war against terror'. Just like people did here from this side, other people in the middle east will look at all that and judge American society in the same way. Until both sides stop doing that (and it's not hard to stop doing), things will carry on going the way they are.

nykshaknbake wrote:Are you serious? You are equating OBL with suicide bomber victims and WTC tower victims?

The difference is that the US military goes through extraordinary pains to avoid harming civilians. The terrorists being celebrated hope to harm as many civilians as possible.

So they're not bad guys celebrating acts of evil, they're just passionate! Thanks for clearing that up.
When was the last notable KKK march or where can I find those really extreme Christians who want to wipe out all non believing countries?

Politically correct trash. On par with Reuters 'One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter'.

smackeddog wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

While I don’t consider everyone in the in the Middle East anti-America or radical, I’m very surprise every time I see thousands of extremist (including young children) celebrating in the street the killing of innocents in other countries and claiming for more of the same. I believe that’s the difference between them and us, here in the U.S. you don’t see the rapists or the murderers celebrating their evil acts in the street, our society definitely wouldn’t tolerate that.

Unfortunately they don't see those people as innocent or see them as acceptable collateral damage. We do pretty much the same- remember that "USA" chant and all the celebrations when Bin Laden got blasted. We also rationalize the killing of innocent people all the time- every war we basically decide that their deaths are acceptable in achieving our goals. At the end of every war, we have a little parade celeberating victory.

Culturally, in the middle east, there is more of an emphasis on exaggeration and passion- it's why fights always look so heated- you smash things, you shout, you make threats (you look crazy!), it's why these protests always look worse than they are. And plus for all the thousands taking part in the protests, there are millions of people who aren't- I don't get why people judge entire societies based on angry people shown on the news. It's like basing opinions on US society, on KKK marches or those really extreme christians who want to destroy all non-believing countries.

People are the same everywhere you go- the problem when you start looking down on other societies, or start judging everyone based on a a section of it, is you either cut yourself off from them, believing you can never get on with them, or you start using it to justify bombing the s*** out of them believing it's the only way they'll learn. In the past decade or so we've leveled Iraq, Afghanistan and let Israel flatten Lebanon. In the process we killed many, many civilians. A few soldiers raped and killed innocent civillians. In Guantanamo a few soldiers sexually abused and tortured prisoners. We've used torture as an acceptable measure during the 'war against terror'. Just like people did here from this side, other people in the middle east will look at all that and judge American society in the same way. Until both sides stop doing that (and it's not hard to stop doing), things will carry on going the way they are.

I totally agree, in the past decade our nation has committed a lot of atrocities around the world and this is why we are partially to blame for their resentment, however, I also believe that extremist will use anything to justify their hatred toward the West and the Anti-Islam Film is just an example of it.
People around the world should not judge our nation base on one guy’s movie, just like we should not judge an entire nation base on the extremist movements and their celebration of innocent people being killed. However, I will have to admit that if I see today, hundreds of thousands of KKK marching on our streets and claiming hatred, I would be seriously questioning our society as a whole.