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jrodmc
Posts: 32927 Alba Posts: 50 Joined: 11/24/2004 Member: #805 USA |
8/23/2012 7:52 AM
Nalod wrote:infinitilov100 wrote:Nalod wrote:infinitilov100 wrote:Nalod wrote:jrodmc wrote:Moonangie wrote:Props to the Russian mobster for calling him names and sticking out his tongue. Who cares if the Nyets have not won yet. They will (eventually) and it sucks to be the NY team racing them to not be known as the lamest hoops franchise in the City. Dolan's "little issues" and petulant ogre inside the castle management style aside, you really have to love an arrogant billionaire who spouts almost non-stop bs and has a team struggling not to be the worst in league history. Try making it to the playoffs, son. Then start talking of "greatness". Bluster obviously don't win ballgames. |
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foosballnick
Posts: 21533 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/17/2010 Member: #3148 |
8/23/2012 8:42 AM LAST EDITED: 8/23/2012 8:43 AM
Not sure anyone has made a good argument as to why Proko is a good NBA owner or why he would have been a good owner for the Knicks.....other than "he's not Dolan".
As Priniple owner of the Nets, what has he done to make the team better except for spout off at the lip and challenge the Knicks through questionable marketing tactics? He inherited Jay Z. He inherited the Brooklyn arena and move. He inherited the architect of the previous championship run, Rod Thorne and than cut ties with him in favor of GM also run Billy King. He traded all the picks and roster maneuverability that Thorne had created to lock up a very high salary and questionable "core 4". His current roster has limited roster depth. He spends significant time overseas during the season. And most significantly, his record since taking over the Nets is 46 - 102. Close to a 300 winning percentage and arguably one of the worst teams in the NBA over that time. So besides cool sound bites and Russian charm, and without Comparing him to Dolan, why are people enamored with Proko as an owner? It should also be noted that Proko made much of his Billions during the collapse of the USSR. It is said he used his government ties and friendships and was given inside information and exclusive deals. |
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ChuckBuck
Posts: 28851 Alba Posts: 11 Joined: 1/3/2012 Member: #3806 USA |
8/23/2012 8:53 AM
foosballnick wrote:Not sure anyone has made a good argument as to why Proko is a good NBA owner or why he would have been a good owner for the Knicks.....other than "he's not Dolan". Couldn't have been stated any better. |
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Nalod
Posts: 71219 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
8/23/2012 8:53 AM
jrodmc wrote:Nalod wrote:infinitilov100 wrote:Nalod wrote:infinitilov100 wrote:Nalod wrote:jrodmc wrote:Moonangie wrote:Props to the Russian mobster for calling him names and sticking out his tongue. Who cares if the Nyets have not won yet. They will (eventually) and it sucks to be the NY team racing them to not be known as the lamest hoops franchise in the City. The Russian is trying to mindPhuch Dolan which makes for good drama. Better than Isiah/AnuchaGate and Marbury's SUV intern prowess! Prokhorov boasts about getting Dolan to overpay for Melo. That is an argument for the ages but when you defy all your basketball people and take over negotiations it sends a desperate message. Or Prokhorov completely UNDERestimates him and the message. Dolan is really that incompetent? Prokhorov's 5 year proclamation goal of winning a title is totally suspect when you consider the all too familiar Soviet (rolling) 5 year economic plans that never came to fruition. Dolan's money was handed to him. Prokhorov is a thief who profited from the privatization but is a very good one as he is one of the few that did not get incarcerated or get made dead. This makes him either likable or despised depending on the way you look at it. He is young, single and what glimpses he has allowed the public to see of him makes him portrays a very cool dude with big toys and pretty women every where. He is 6-8 handsome. Dolan is a Hobbit who is shy unless he is fronting his band. Their work speaks for themselves. ONe is over confident perhaps while the little one is insecure and runs his business by belittling grown men but promotes empathy if it reminds him of his own personality defects. The man behind the curtain like the wizard of oz. He is insecure. Battles will be fought and both sides will savor victories and lament the defeats. It maybe 5 years before we know who wins the war. Knicks needed the N*ts to cross two rivers and consider winning basketball games as a priority. Both teams have flawed histories. The only thing that matters is what happens on the court. Good drama on and off the court makes for very entertaining times! |
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DurzoBlint
Posts: 23067 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 7/10/2006 Member: #1152 USA |
8/23/2012 8:58 AM
yeah f/u Dolan but, with that said, a bigger F/U Prok. The cold war may be over but any REAL Knicks fan would give you the Cold Shoulder. It's OK for us to hate on Dolan all we want because, in a way he belongs to "us." To think it's ok for this foreign "outsider" to diss Dolan is wack on people's part. Not saying he should get a pass for his issues but, this Prok has no history in the NBA to be proud. Nor has his team done anything in which to be proud of.
Say what you want about the Knicks but, at least we have been relevant even if off and on for decades. The Nets in my over 40years have been relevant during the Jason Kidd years only. That should be an embarrassment for any franchise so, fuk you Prok and your Brooklyn Clippers. the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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StraightShot
Posts: 20087 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 8/12/2012 Member: #4322 |
8/23/2012 10:22 AM
Jim's really misunderstood. He got a rocky start, but I've been impressed by his growth and maturation. This year he's finally made some wise business decisions and put together a good team.
FIX THE KNICKS / AND MAKE THEM SHINE / GET ’EM TO WIN LIKE ITS ’69 / HITTIN’ ALL THEIR FREE THROWS / AND NO MORE SHOOTING BRICKS / TIME TO GET IT RIGHT / AND FIX THE KNICKS
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Nalod
Posts: 71219 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
8/23/2012 10:40 AM LAST EDITED: 8/23/2012 10:43 AM
I complimented Dolan big time when he hired Donnie and we ate contracts to fulfil a plan to clear for Lebron.
Im not ok with the rumors of his clown like presentation that was a turn off to Lebron. Lebron was an ass so we can pass the sour grapes but the scene was not good according to "rumors". Riles with his slick tan and communicative skills to present a vision won him over. I thought the Isiah years was the worst ownership model short of Ted Septien and Donald Sterling. Prokhorov has no history to pound his chest over but I would take this dude over Dolan. Dolan: Prokhorov: |
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VCoug
Posts: 24935 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 3/28/2007 Member: #1406 |
8/23/2012 10:42 AM
StraightShot wrote:Jim's really misunderstood. He got a rocky start, but I've been impressed by his growth and maturation. This year he's finally made some wise business decisions and put together a good team. Um, is this a sock puppet account for Dolan or someone he hired? Dolan's shown literally no maturation and the groundwork for this team was all lain by Walsh, a guy Dolan couldn't wait to get rid of. Why did you choose StraightShot as your name? Is that a reference to Dolan's awful ****ing blues band? Now the joy of my world is in Zion
How beautiful if nothing more
Than to wait at Zion's door
I've never been in love like this before
Now let me pray to keep you from
The perils that will surely come
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DurzoBlint
Posts: 23067 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 7/10/2006 Member: #1152 USA |
8/23/2012 10:46 AM
Nalod wrote:I complimented Dolan big time when he hired Donnie and we ate contracts to fulfil a plan to clear for Lebron. why? Dude could prove to be even more inept and he's a foreigner. Dolan isn't perfect but, I'd never even consider "trading" him for an unknown commodity. Just because he's the Shiny New Toy in town, doesn't mean it's a good one. You could be trading your transformer for a "go-bot." the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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Nalod
Posts: 71219 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
8/23/2012 10:49 AM
StraightShot wrote:Jim's really misunderstood. He got a rocky start, but I've been impressed by his growth and maturation. This year he's finally made some wise business decisions and put together a good team. We being sarcastic? He let lin go without compensation. He bumbled the negotiation and took it personal. He embarassed his coach and his GM. Very impressive? Put together a good team? Thats Grunwalds job. Dolan spends money. He did good with eating Billups contract and signing Tyson. |
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DurzoBlint
Posts: 23067 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 7/10/2006 Member: #1152 USA |
8/23/2012 10:50 AM
VCoug wrote:StraightShot wrote:Jim's really misunderstood. He got a rocky start, but I've been impressed by his growth and maturation. This year he's finally made some wise business decisions and put together a good team. who Dolan hired and, if you think the Commis could make or even convince Dolan to do something he didn't want to do....you don't know the Knicks. Also, keep in mind, he wanted Magic for the position only to have Magic suggest he hire Isiah. the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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GustavBahler
Posts: 42856 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
8/23/2012 11:01 AM
VCoug wrote:StraightShot wrote:Jim's really misunderstood. He got a rocky start, but I've been impressed by his growth and maturation. This year he's finally made some wise business decisions and put together a good team. Don't believe its one of Dolan's minions, doubt they would have chosen a name like that. A bit too obvious. Wouldn't be surprised if it was a regular poster here. But the person isn't spamming or trolling in the strictest sense of the word, so no harm no foul. |
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foosballnick
Posts: 21533 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/17/2010 Member: #3148 |
8/23/2012 11:01 AM
Nalod, we all know Dolan's track record. But why would you choose Proko over him? The Nets are merely a toy to Proko so on top of his two abysmal years as owner in terms of on the court record, you really do not know what you have as an owner?
Dolan is at least a known commodity. He is now accountable to stockholders for MSG brands, so therefore will feel the effects of bad choices. He may not win ships, but he must at a minimum keep the Knicks and Rangers competitive. We may not like dolan's choices and tactics, but he does not present the downside risk of Proko. Since MSG has been spun off in 2010 as a separate publicly traded company, Dolan is much more accountable for the Knicks results than he was previously under the cable vision and dad's teet. The Nets are a toy that Proko can use up and discard at any time. |