VCoug wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Let me get this straight.
So Spree was washed up and out of the league. And yet after that whole 40 game stretch that "KVH played well for us", what happened to KVH? Why he had 1 good season with the Bucks and then was over and out. So much for getting younger.

Sprewell self-destructed. Comparing total skillsets, KVH just sucked. KVH couldn't and wouldn't guard you. Sprewell could singlehandedly change games at either end of the floor.

Trading KVH for essentially nothing (giving away Tim Thomas and getting him back for nothing) was pretty much a wash.

Sprewell could singlehandedly change games at either end of the floor for one more year and then he sucked. I was sad to see Spree go too, but the fact is that we got rid of at the right time. Was KVH ever as good a player a Spree? No. But he still had more left in the tank than Spree and he was a legit small forward. He couldn't defend, but he was a helluva rebounder for his position and was a consistent three-point shooter. I remember reading that Sprewell had like 10 dunks for all of the 2003-2004. There was a time Spree got that many dunks in a two game stretch. We sold at the right time.

Even if you're correct and we did sell at the right time getting KVH back is terrible value.

Agreed. KVH was a good player, but not even close to equal value for Spree. I still think if we had kept spree he may have managed to stave off self-destructing for another year at least. Spreewell was in many ways the last true Knick.

loweyecue wrote:

VCoug wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Let me get this straight.
So Spree was washed up and out of the league. And yet after that whole 40 game stretch that "KVH played well for us", what happened to KVH? Why he had 1 good season with the Bucks and then was over and out. So much for getting younger.

Sprewell self-destructed. Comparing total skillsets, KVH just sucked. KVH couldn't and wouldn't guard you. Sprewell could singlehandedly change games at either end of the floor.

Trading KVH for essentially nothing (giving away Tim Thomas and getting him back for nothing) was pretty much a wash.

Sprewell could singlehandedly change games at either end of the floor for one more year and then he sucked. I was sad to see Spree go too, but the fact is that we got rid of at the right time. Was KVH ever as good a player a Spree? No. But he still had more left in the tank than Spree and he was a legit small forward. He couldn't defend, but he was a helluva rebounder for his position and was a consistent three-point shooter. I remember reading that Sprewell had like 10 dunks for all of the 2003-2004. There was a time Spree got that many dunks in a two game stretch. We sold at the right time.

Even if you're correct and we did sell at the right time getting KVH back is terrible value.

Agreed. KVH was a good player, but not even close to equal value for Spree. I still think if we had kept spree he may have managed to stave off self-destructing for another year at least. Sprewell was in many ways the last true Knick.

+1
He gets extra points for hating Dolan, too.

I've made this correlation before. We gave away Spree for nothing. KVH = Tim Thomas = Tim Thomas for nothing

1977:Walt Frazier received from Knicks as compensation for Knicks expected signing of veteran free agent Jim Cleamons.

Clyde had another year or two left and they had to decide on him or Earl as both were getting too old and paid well. It was my worst moment as a knick fan and Cleamons never lived up to his contract.