FoeDiddy wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Woodson had STAT, Melo and Lin for a total of 7 games and the Knicks go 6-1. Than as if by magic Melo become a better player. Hmmmm....interesting.

Melo during that 7 game stretch

14 PTS (6.5 points less)
1.5 STL (.67 more steals)
4.3 AST (2 assist more)
5.4 RBD (1.1 less)
.393 FG% (1.3% better)
13.4 FGA per game (4.6 less attempts per game)
Melo must have quit on Woody as well. He scored less, took less shots, didn't rebound as well as was still shooting less than 40% but become a more team oriented player becuase of the 2 additonal assists per game? Melo new found defensive intensity must not have carried over to hitting the boards either.

LIN
13.2 PTS (2.9 points less)
5.4 AST (1.9 less)
3.71 TO (.09 less)
1 STL (1.5 less)
.428 FG% (3.8% better)
9 FGA per game (5.5 less per game)

STAT
16.8 PTS (2.5 less)
8.1 RBD (.2 less)
1 BLK (same)
.578 FG% (3 % better)
10.8 FGA per game (2.8 less)

Seems to me that Woody made adjustements within the offense with regard to Melo & Lin and fine tuned things a bit with STAT. People can attribute the 6-1 record to the coaching change if they like but that also dismisses the 18-6 record over 36% of the season as well as his 9-4 (.692) record without Lin and without STAT.

Did Woody make MDA look bad? You're damn right he did.

You did a nice breakdown of the results, but this doesn't explain the REASON why the Knicks went 6-1 with STAT, Melo and Lin. Did you even watch the 1st 5 games of that stretch? Did you notice what the team did DEFENSIVELY during that stretch of 7 games? IN particular did you notice the extra energy and effort Melo played with even tho he still stunk offensively? You decided to point to offensive numbers during the time Woody came in but that wasn't even the story of what changed the most during that time.

How about we just look at what was the most significant factor in the wins this team had. The DEFENSE. Now let's remember that MDA resigned the day of the 1st win on the 14th, so it's not like Woody had a few practices to work his magic. In fact he had NO TIME to change anything of substance!!!

Mar. 14 Portland 79 pts
Mar. 16 Indiana 100 pts
Mar. 17 Indiana 88  pts
Mar. 20 Toronto 87  pts
Mar. 21 Philly  79  pts

Remember that during this stretch due to the closeness of the games there weren't any real practices and it was admitted by EVERYONE that Woody hadn't made any changes to the Offense or Defense. This was purely a shift in effort and most notably by Melo the teams best player and the guy who should've been leading by example all along. It would be nice if you could attribute the change to Wood's style of play and the removal of MDA and his system on O and D as the reason the team started busting it and winning, but we know for a FACT that Woody didn't really change what the team was doing and he barely had any time for a full practice with back to back games. PLEASE stop this garbage about Woody being more personable or him having some new grand strategy as some reason the team started winning. He didn't have time to change anything!!! PURE B.S.

You point to Defense but that was only part of the story. He changed his sub patterns and rotations from day one as well. Also called timely timeouts unlike MDA. A lot of factors in coaching that MDA was failing terribly in. What's PURE B.S. is your continued discredit to Woodson's great job from day one and your blindness of what a terrible job MDA was doing. I can acknowledge maybe Melo should have tried harder to make it work with MDA but it's my opinion that MDA's plan and blueprint to winning was flawed.

GIVE ME A BREAK! In the early days of Woody's time as head coach they won using MDA's playbook!!! All Woody did was window dressing and most definitely in those 1st 5 games. He couldn't change much cuz there wasn't time and every single statement from that time underscores that the team only made minor tweaks. NOTHING that would explain the increased effort from Melo and how all of a sudden with the same offense and defense the team was blowing teams out. I repeat it was the SAME PLAYS!!!

Woody didn't really have a major impact until he was able to have some practice and start to really implement his own stuff. Other than that, in that 1st couple of weeks he was stuck using what they have already worked on all year. Please don't try to spin it any other way. The facts are all there in the schedule from that time, which didn't allow them to have full practice and in addition every interview the players and coach stated they didn't change much.

fishmike wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:He stated Melo will never win anything, Melo only cares about Melo and he was jealous of Lin.

tell me one thing Melo has done in the NBA that says team and winning first, Melo 2nd. Most people are calling it like they see it. As for the winning part I hope that isnt the case.

Dude was dead set on getting traded and signing a max extension before the new CBA came out. One a side note the stars who just won the title all took paycuts to make the team better. Granted its rare but the precedent and bar have been set.

Knicks had max cap space. NOTHING was stopping Melo from coming here in the offseason and playing on a team that had Mosgov, Felton, Gallo, Stat, Fields, draft picks, la la la

It doesnt matter if its fair or not, but Melo's history is Melo comes first. None of this would matter if he won something but he has both NOT won and performed poorly in the postseason so there you go. People just dont get excited about having this guy jammed down their throats and any criticism being met with hater comments.

I still havent gotten a good answer from a single poster here. What has Melo done do deserve your undying love as a fan? Seems most are still waiting

It's not about loving Melo and professing undying love for the dude...I guarantee u most here who likes Melo could care less if you like him or not...I like Melo and I could care less who likes him here...He is a Knick and I support the ballers who come here period, because most are scared of the scrutiny...Every other NBA star, Bron, Durant, Kobe, CP3, are just great players to me until they become NY Knickerbockers, I'm not riding their jock, never have and never will...I didn't really didn't follow Melo until he showed interest coming here...Frankly I'm glad he came...I didn't want Walsh to sign Amare because of all his health issues...But he did and now I just love the guy...He is a Knick, plays with heart and leaves it on the court when healthy...Thats all I can ask...

I don't care what players or coaches who are now Knicks have done elsewhere...I didn't care what LB did in his career before NY...I didn't care what MDA did before NY...I didn't care what Amare did before NY...I don't' care what Melo did before NY..As a Yankee fan, I don't care what Arod did before NY..It's different here, some guys just can't perform here, you remember Ed Witson former Yankee??...Amare looks like he can...Melo looks like he can...Arod has been disappointing given the expectation but we got a ring, so cool...

Melo wouldn't coming here unless he got paid..You may not like it, tough nuggies...It is what it is...The dudes we gave up aren't ballers...They can't sustain the intensity of competing with the likes of LeBron for a full season...If you so call "haters" want to keep it real then admit that, you won't...Gallo isn't a baller, neither is Wilson and I love the kid, Moz???, get real...The "haters" profess realness but they are far from it...They are all ready to point to Melo's record in the playoffs but fall short of sighting the fact of the caliber of teams he has come up against where they went on to win 4 of 5 won Championships or the injuries face by him teammates since being here...I'm not here to make excuses for the guy...You might hate him because you think he was behind MDA's departure...You are a hater so keep it real, MDA sucked while he was here..Please don't sight me stats from his PHX days...Show me Knick facts it's all I care about....He sucked!!!! be real and admit it...

I just want to assemble a team of guys with heart who I think can compete with a defensive minded coach...We have that...I'm praying Amare is healthy come November...I'm praying Felton is in shape come November...I'm praying Chandler adds one move to his non-existing arsenal come November...I'm praying Kidd regains some life on 20 mins a game come November...I'm praying Camby has some left in the tank...I'm praying we come out playing all world defense with Brewer in November..I'm praying JR and Novak add more D to their games to help this team...ONE guy I know I don't have to pray about is Melo...He is the only Knick that's been balling the last two years in the playoffs...That cat is the least of my worries but he seems to draw the most scrutiny from the haters who profess wanting to keep it "real"...We have one guy ready to compete against the Heat..ONE, guess who, hate on, treat this as a speed bump.....

FoeDiddy wrote:

Nalod wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

Nalod wrote:He stated Melo will never win anything, Melo only cares about Melo and he was jealous of Lin.

tell me one thing Melo has done in the NBA that says team and winning first, Melo 2nd. Most people are calling it like they see it. As for the winning part I hope that isnt the case.

Dude was dead set on getting traded and signing a max extension before the new CBA came out. One a side note the stars who just won the title all took paycuts to make the team better. Granted its rare but the precedent and bar have been set.

Knicks had max cap space. NOTHING was stopping Melo from coming here in the offseason and playing on a team that had Mosgov, Felton, Gallo, Stat, Fields, draft picks, la la la

It doesnt matter if its fair or not, but Melo's history is Melo comes first. None of this would matter if he won something but he has both NOT won and performed poorly in the postseason so there you go. People just dont get excited about having this guy jammed down their throats and any criticism being met with hater comments.

I still havent gotten a good answer from a single poster here. What has Melo done do deserve your undying love as a fan? Seems most are still waiting

Usually its quick deflection to reference "Gallo".

Yes, we all get that Melo is better than Gallo. NObody thought otherwise.

Nalod wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

Nalod wrote:

fishmike wrote:[quote="Nalod]

FoeDiddy wrote:
Lebron even with his endoresemnts down still made 50+mill last year. He likely did not want to work for a lame idiot like Dolan with his silly rules and inconsistant management team. Look at Miami, there were times Spolstra was under the gun and Riles would just bring down his word that "this is the coach and play for him" and they players got it. Spolstra is no 5mil per year diva starphuch coach either. IN miami and other places the GM has a plan, the Owner endorses it and they attempt to execute. Here, the Owner waffles. Hire Walsh, then change your mind. Hire Isiah, take a dick, then make him coach his mess. Aronson in Miami has a plan, Has riles execute or attempt. They won a chip, rebuild bad with Beasley, then realized the mistake and moved on.

Plenty of GM's who have earned the respect of their owners and move with conviction thruout the league.

Not all teams win it but there is a graceful way of conducting business that can earn respect.

Respect for the owner of my favorite team is not something I can say I have. Its appalling at times!

Its a thin line between love and hate.........

You referenced the same riles that dumped all over SVG once he got a good roster? The Same snake Riles that weaseled his way out of New York? U don't think if the heat would have lost in the finals this year Spoelstra would have been fired in a heart beat.

Miami didn't have any plan...if they didnt' get Lebron they would be mediocre. That's not a plan..that's winning the lottery.

Yeah, the snake who dumped ranting SVG and won a title.

The same guy that got a slice of ownership in Miami. I dispise Riles.

BUt Riles has rings.

It takes preperation to have "Luck".

Spolstra and Miami won. So what do we get from that? Respect.

Preparation of what? He chose them..it was up to Lebron. It takes preparation to win the Lottery or do u just need to buy a ticket.

Do you think people respect Spoelstra more now after he won with that roster?

I sure miss the days when people were happy with losing seasons and building cap space and drafting sub-mediocre talent and riding "pohtenshull" like a 2 dollar ho.

nixluva wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Woodson had STAT, Melo and Lin for a total of 7 games and the Knicks go 6-1. Than as if by magic Melo become a better player. Hmmmm....interesting.

Melo during that 7 game stretch

14 PTS (6.5 points less)
1.5 STL (.67 more steals)
4.3 AST (2 assist more)
5.4 RBD (1.1 less)
.393 FG% (1.3% better)
13.4 FGA per game (4.6 less attempts per game)
Melo must have quit on Woody as well. He scored less, took less shots, didn't rebound as well as was still shooting less than 40% but become a more team oriented player becuase of the 2 additonal assists per game? Melo new found defensive intensity must not have carried over to hitting the boards either.

LIN
13.2 PTS (2.9 points less)
5.4 AST (1.9 less)
3.71 TO (.09 less)
1 STL (1.5 less)
.428 FG% (3.8% better)
9 FGA per game (5.5 less per game)

STAT
16.8 PTS (2.5 less)
8.1 RBD (.2 less)
1 BLK (same)
.578 FG% (3 % better)
10.8 FGA per game (2.8 less)

Seems to me that Woody made adjustements within the offense with regard to Melo & Lin and fine tuned things a bit with STAT. People can attribute the 6-1 record to the coaching change if they like but that also dismisses the 18-6 record over 36% of the season as well as his 9-4 (.692) record without Lin and without STAT.

Did Woody make MDA look bad? You're damn right he did.

You did a nice breakdown of the results, but this doesn't explain the REASON why the Knicks went 6-1 with STAT, Melo and Lin. Did you even watch the 1st 5 games of that stretch? Did you notice what the team did DEFENSIVELY during that stretch of 7 games? IN particular did you notice the extra energy and effort Melo played with even tho he still stunk offensively? You decided to point to offensive numbers during the time Woody came in but that wasn't even the story of what changed the most during that time.

How about we just look at what was the most significant factor in the wins this team had. The DEFENSE. Now let's remember that MDA resigned the day of the 1st win on the 14th, so it's not like Woody had a few practices to work his magic. In fact he had NO TIME to change anything of substance!!!

Mar. 14 Portland 79 pts
Mar. 16 Indiana 100 pts
Mar. 17 Indiana 88  pts
Mar. 20 Toronto 87  pts
Mar. 21 Philly  79  pts

Remember that during this stretch due to the closeness of the games there weren't any real practices and it was admitted by EVERYONE that Woody hadn't made any changes to the Offense or Defense. This was purely a shift in effort and most notably by Melo the teams best player and the guy who should've been leading by example all along. It would be nice if you could attribute the change to Wood's style of play and the removal of MDA and his system on O and D as the reason the team started busting it and winning, but we know for a FACT that Woody didn't really change what the team was doing and he barely had any time for a full practice with back to back games. PLEASE stop this garbage about Woody being more personable or him having some new grand strategy as some reason the team started winning. He didn't have time to change anything!!! PURE B.S.

Yeah I watched all the games. Woody didn't make major changes he made adjustments. Believe it or not but there are some coaches in the NBA that are capable and make in game adjustements. No doubt that Melo turned up the defensive intensity but so did the rest of the team. So in your mind Melo's 28 minute average per game during that stretch led to the amazing turnaround? He's 1 player on the team. Did STAT's defensive intensity not go up? Oh so STAT started to play with defensive intensity because Melo did?

A coaches job is to coach! When things aren't going right you make adjustements. If you feel your star player is "dogging" it you call him out on it. MDA is not that guy, never has been, never will be. No secret the guy in non confrontational. If you beleive the entire teams issues was due to Melo/MDA your kidding yourslf. The issue was bigger and he lost the team. Of course, you don't want to hear it.

Ever think that STAT may have had issue with a rookie PG getting the rock more than him?

knicks1248 wrote:what the hell was MDA going to tell TD, stop back peddle like your riding a damn bike..

When TD was shooting a whopping 25 percent from 3 point land and LEADING THE TEAM IN ATTEMPTS by alot, don't you think that MDA should have told TD to STOP SHOOTING THE FUKKIN BALL?

mrKnickShot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:what the hell was MDA going to tell TD, stop back peddle like your riding a damn bike..

When TD was shooting a whopping 25 percent from 3 point land and LEADING THE TEAM IN ATTEMPTS by alot, don't you think that MDA should have told TD to STOP SHOOTING THE FUKKIN BALL?

well he can't even pass, so I go to believe he's praying he finds his shot..like I said, GRASPING FOR STRAWS..MDA admitted it many times. If you read my first post, you would have notice when i said..THE ONE THING I HATED ABOUT MDA WAS GIVING ROLE PLAYERS THE GREeN LIGHT.. Gallo had 18 3 point attemps, hitting just 4 of them in a game under mike..

mrKnickShot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:When you think about it, he's walking into a situation that has a core, and now has a team and a full training camp of his type of players. No player on the roster is worried about being shipped out, everybody is coming in with there roles defined..

If MDA had what Woodson has now...I see MDA as the best coach (or one of the best) to coach a knick team..I hated MDA for his defensive switching philosophy, hated him for giving role players the green light so much, and hated him for what he did to Steph when we were desperate for a pg(didn't like steph much either) and had one of the better ones in the league (talent wise) in our locker room

But the one thing I could say, MDA is a very good coach who completely got shafted for 4 yrs and never had a lagit shot at all..here comes woodson to reap the rewards..

I say woodson gets fired if this team is not top 4 in the league. Were going to go from a team that played no defense and could score with anybody, to a team with excellent defense that can't score 90 pts and will have the worse shooting % in the league..

The Media and fans alike will be clamoring for his head..The only Thing that will save woodson IS MDA's PLAYBOOK..Trust and Believe that half court style will not work with amare, felton and melo..

The 18-6 run was MDA's playbook for the most part, and he said it in almost every post game..

Couple problems with this premis.....

If MDA was the best Knick Coach and could not win with the talent (or lack of) that was given to him, what does that make Walsh? According to your line of thought he would have to be a really crappy GM.

BINGO!

ASK YOURSELF why melo is thriving in MDA system now, shooting lights out,a red hot 60% from DT.

I watched the last few games. The ball movement was very unimpressive.

DID YOU EVER ANSWER YOURSELF that Melo plays well when he is surrounded by other all stars?

Oh... so he suppose to play well when he surrounded by avg talent..we keep bring up melo shooting %..try looking at the shooting % of the players around him..

And my friend, it's not just that melo is playing with elite players, the shots he takes are wide open shots, coming down court burring 3's at will, post up behind the arc for kick outs that are wide open..

MDA system results in wide open shots all the time and you know it..

knicks1248 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:When you think about it, he's walking into a situation that has a core, and now has a team and a full training camp of his type of players. No player on the roster is worried about being shipped out, everybody is coming in with there roles defined..

If MDA had what Woodson has now...I see MDA as the best coach (or one of the best) to coach a knick team..I hated MDA for his defensive switching philosophy, hated him for giving role players the green light so much, and hated him for what he did to Steph when we were desperate for a pg(didn't like steph much either) and had one of the better ones in the league (talent wise) in our locker room

But the one thing I could say, MDA is a very good coach who completely got shafted for 4 yrs and never had a lagit shot at all..here comes woodson to reap the rewards..

I say woodson gets fired if this team is not top 4 in the league. Were going to go from a team that played no defense and could score with anybody, to a team with excellent defense that can't score 90 pts and will have the worse shooting % in the league..

The Media and fans alike will be clamoring for his head..The only Thing that will save woodson IS MDA's PLAYBOOK..Trust and Believe that half court style will not work with amare, felton and melo..

The 18-6 run was MDA's playbook for the most part, and he said it in almost every post game..

Couple problems with this premis.....

If MDA was the best Knick Coach and could not win with the talent (or lack of) that was given to him, what does that make Walsh? According to your line of thought he would have to be a really crappy GM.

BINGO!

ASK YOURSELF why melo is thriving in MDA system now, shooting lights out,a red hot 60% from DT.

I watched the last few games. The ball movement was very unimpressive.

DID YOU EVER ANSWER YOURSELF that Melo plays well when he is surrounded by other all stars?

Oh... so he suppose to play well when he surrounded by avg talent..we keep bring up melo shooting %..try looking at the shooting % of the players around him..

And my friend, it's not just that melo is playing with elite players, the shots he takes are wide open shots, coming down court burring 3's at will, post up behind the arc for kick outs that are wide open..

MDA system results in wide open shots all the time and you know it..

Of course he will play better when surrounded by better talent and have many more open looks. MDA system my asS!!! His system is built to not allow Nigeria to cover these freaks? You kidding me?

Playing with avg players and especially no PG will not allow him to have open looks and therefore he will not play as well and force shots. Ever thought why Deron FG% is so much worse in NJ?

Anyway, I still think that most of Melo's shooting woes this year were his injuries. He was missing wide open looks all year if you remember.

knicks1248 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:When you think about it, he's walking into a situation that has a core, and now has a team and a full training camp of his type of players. No player on the roster is worried about being shipped out, everybody is coming in with there roles defined..

If MDA had what Woodson has now...I see MDA as the best coach (or one of the best) to coach a knick team..I hated MDA for his defensive switching philosophy, hated him for giving role players the green light so much, and hated him for what he did to Steph when we were desperate for a pg(didn't like steph much either) and had one of the better ones in the league (talent wise) in our locker room

But the one thing I could say, MDA is a very good coach who completely got shafted for 4 yrs and never had a lagit shot at all..here comes woodson to reap the rewards..

I say woodson gets fired if this team is not top 4 in the league. Were going to go from a team that played no defense and could score with anybody, to a team with excellent defense that can't score 90 pts and will have the worse shooting % in the league..

The Media and fans alike will be clamoring for his head..The only Thing that will save woodson IS MDA's PLAYBOOK..Trust and Believe that half court style will not work with amare, felton and melo..

The 18-6 run was MDA's playbook for the most part, and he said it in almost every post game..

Couple problems with this premis.....

If MDA was the best Knick Coach and could not win with the talent (or lack of) that was given to him, what does that make Walsh? According to your line of thought he would have to be a really crappy GM.

BINGO!

How can you even bring Walsh into this, take a look around, do you see Walsh..

The guy was trying to do for MDA what Grunwald is doing now for woody..Dolan step over walsh to bring Melo in, pretty much destroying any plans him and MDA had for the present and future..But grunwald got a good taste how it felt when DOLAN decided not to re-sign Lin..Made him look like a complete ass after telling everyone Lin was basically a lock to come back.

You think it's easy for a coach to take a job knowing damn well he will have no shot at winning for 3 yrs IN NY..The media capital of the world.

I keep pointing out how MDA system has the olympic team undefeated since he began coaching them. yet everyone wants to blame MELO for turning MDA into a incompetent coach..when IMO TD is the reason and probably the sole reason..

ASK YOURSELF why melo is thriving in MDA system now, shooting lights out,a red hot 60% from DT.

Walsh spent a large part of his tenure trying to make the dantoni hire not a mistake. I think he new in year 2 but I also think he is a gentleman and very loyal. However, his loyalty/or trying to prove d'ant was a good hire set the Knicks back His plan also set the Knicks back as everyone knew what he wanted to do and took advantage of his compromised position.

knicks1248 wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:When you think about it, he's walking into a situation that has a core, and now has a team and a full training camp of his type of players. No player on the roster is worried about being shipped out, everybody is coming in with there roles defined..

If MDA had what Woodson has now...I see MDA as the best coach (or one of the best) to coach a knick team..I hated MDA for his defensive switching philosophy, hated him for giving role players the green light so much, and hated him for what he did to Steph when we were desperate for a pg(didn't like steph much either) and had one of the better ones in the league (talent wise) in our locker room

But the one thing I could say, MDA is a very good coach who completely got shafted for 4 yrs and never had a lagit shot at all..here comes woodson to reap the rewards..

I say woodson gets fired if this team is not top 4 in the league. Were going to go from a team that played no defense and could score with anybody, to a team with excellent defense that can't score 90 pts and will have the worse shooting % in the league..

The Media and fans alike will be clamoring for his head..The only Thing that will save woodson IS MDA's PLAYBOOK..Trust and Believe that half court style will not work with amare, felton and melo..

The 18-6 run was MDA's playbook for the most part, and he said it in almost every post game..

Couple problems with this premis.....

If MDA was the best Knick Coach and could not win with the talent (or lack of) that was given to him, what does that make Walsh? According to your line of thought he would have to be a really crappy GM.

BINGO!

How can you even bring Walsh into this, take a look around, do you see Walsh..

The guy was trying to do for MDA what Grunwald is doing now for woody..Dolan step over walsh to bring Melo in, pretty much destroying any plans him and MDA had for the present and future..But grunwald got a good taste how it felt when DOLAN decided not to re-sign Lin..Made him look like a complete ass after telling everyone Lin was basically a lock to come back.

You think it's easy for a coach to take a job knowing damn well he will have no shot at winning for 3 yrs IN NY..The media capital of the world.

I keep pointing out how MDA system has the olympic team undefeated since he began coaching them. yet everyone wants to blame MELO for turning MDA into a incompetent coach..when IMO TD is the reason and probably the sole reason..

ASK YOURSELF why melo is thriving in MDA system now, shooting lights out,a red hot 60% from DT.

a reason walsh was mentioned probably is this (my guess)

"
But the one thing I could say, MDA is a very good coach who completely got shafted for 4 yrs and never had a lagit shot at all..here comes woodson to reap the rewards..
"

3 of those 4 years of shafting he had walsh around. so it seems like a fair point to mention that you could be suggesting walsh dropped the ball in how he did/didnt help dantoni.

carmelo point: anthony is playing with some of the best players in the world. lots less pressure since he is now on a team where he isnt starting and isnt the best player on the team. this team could probably play well under most offensive systems with the talent they have.

as you note, dantoni knew what he was getting into taking this job, and he was well paid for it. his results were not exceptional. what is so fond to look back on from his time here?

My point is, how can we really say woodson is a better coach then MDA if MDA didn't have the table set like woody..How can we say that MDA had the talent and time to 1)bring in players that fit his style 2) play a full year with the players he did have a hand in bringing here 3) never had a decent pg for more the 90 days 4) then in his finally year when he had a half decent line up he stil didn't the training camp or the practice time to implement his system to the fullest.

So my guess is IF woodson jumps off to a great start, he'll be hail as a better coach, and some will disregard all the shht MDA had to deal with..

He didn't come here for the $ cause the bulls offered him more and they had rose on deck..he came here for the challenge and a chance to build a team that can run his system correctly and got shafted and his opinions pretty much went out the window..

Imagine working on a job and theres so much chaos and you know exactly what the company needs to do to right the ship, you goto to staff meetings only to be heard, but as soon as your done talking, they say thank you for your thoughts and decide to do the opposite which results in more chaos...TELL ME WTF ARE YOU SUPPOSE TO DO...It's time to find me a another job..

i deal with this a lot. i wish i was paid like dantoni though to deal with it.

why do you care if folks like a guy better if the results are better? like i said, whats so fond looking back on the past 10+ years, not even just the dantoni years. if only larry had XYZ... maybe if lenny coulda had... if this team does well, why would you expect fans to really care about dantoni and his time here? if it doesnt do well, dantoni wont have to worry cuz carmelo/amare are gonna be the blast points.