toodarkmark wrote:foosballnick wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:foosballnick wrote:Not really worth continually dwelling on just the owner as there is really nothing that can be done. Owners are often only as good/bad as the executives and management they put in place.NY Giants are considered a well run organization, but Wellington Mara would have received an F grade in the late 60s thru to 1980. He would have received an A or B from then until 1992. The difference? George Young and Bill Parcells.
George Steinbrenner would have gotten an A from 1975 to 1981 with Gabe Paul as one of his early architects. From 82 through 93......an F and a ban from baseball. After that, an A with Gene Michael building a solid foundation of core players while King George was away, combined with bringing in Joe Torre.
Dolan with Isiah and various coaches.......an F. Dolan with Walsh and MDA.....probably a D. Dolan with Grunwald and Woodson, too soon to tell.
So in the history of sports you've found 2 examples of where an owner looked bad for an 11 year stretch and then turned it around. I am not impressed.
Nice try. Took me about thirty seconds to come up with them. Here's another....."James Dolan" as owner of the Rangers....went from a D to a B grade in the past decade. Pretty easy to play the pessimist on a sports forum since athletes & teams generally fail more then succeed ....so you will always have so called data to draw upon to prove any negative point you want to make. Data always looks nice in a vacuum, perhaps you might consider to apply things like situational context, sample size, and outside factors.......instead of basically coming to a conclusion based only on Macro Level negative data.
I very much enjoy your esoteric and eloquent posts Foosballnick, but in the end I don't see Lil' Jimmy Dolan at Ranger's pre-season games giving pounds to the players. He ruined that team over the past 12 years, and finally was hands off enough to end the "must pay big talent" thing and let the GM handle the matters. Oh, and let's not forget when he guaranteed a Stanley Cup appearance in January and angered all the Rangers fans and the coach. The Rangers have succeeded in spite of Dolan and because he does not care enough about Hockey.
But he cares about basketball and the Knicks. But more so, about what it does for him and his image. His insecure, spoiled, and almost childlike deference to his Id reminds me of so many other children of very successful people placed into powerful positions by their Fathers. He needs to be seen as the leader of this group, the head cheese. It fulfills that emptiness that Daddy, women, alcohol, and music never could. He needs to be at pre-seasons games, yucking it up with Amar'e and Melo. Kiss my ring boys, I AM the one paying you.
Standing in the tunnel "Tell me more Isiah, tell me how taking on Anferenee Hardaway's 15 mil a year contract and giving up a 04 and 10 draft pick was a steal for us. Ignore the chants Isiah, they're not real people like you and me. Successful people."
Donnie Walsh gave this team flexibility and a chance to get the best player in the world, and he was shown the door. All Lebron had to do was watch Dolan stutter his way through a prepared speech about playing for the Knicks and knew he was going anywhere but here. Now we have two poorly mismatched superstars, a starting backcourt of Ronnie Brewer and Raymond Felton, and the oldest bench in the NBA ever. The Knick fan in me will root for them. The pragmatist in me will sit there and only wonder why the Knicks had to be stricken with such a joke of a human being, and even after David Stern FORCED him to change his own management, he is still left pulling the strings.
In the end we have a spoiled child of a man in control of our team, and in control of the GM's, and in control of what happens. Team decisions are on his whim because in the end it is not the Knicks we are rooting for, but an extension of James Dolan. That is how he perceives it and as long as that is the case, he gets an F in my book.
goddam brilliant ****in post!
7/29/2012 7:21 PM