FoeDiddy wrote:

Uptown wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

nixluva wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:After the third game with Woodson as coach, he said

I think in the last three games, my focus was to have an energy that I haven’t had so far this season

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/melo-basically-admits-hes-trying-harder-for-woodson/

So that equates to him saying he was dogging it? Do you guys ever think that maybe the coach demanded it from him and it's more of a coaches philosophy. Same as D'antoni not believing in heavy practices or shoot arounds before the game? Maybe he was talking about a team culture change. We honestly dont' know what he meant by that. The point is to take that quote and equate it to him saying he was Dogging it is ridiculous and erroneous.

Here's the thing. Melo played harder the very day that MDA resigned and it had NOTHING to do with any special coaching Woody did. This was Melo realizing that he had to step up or he'd be blamed for MDA leaving if the team didn't start winning. Melo is not stupid. He knows how that would play out. He had flat out STUNK for most of the year. Go and look at his stats up until that point. From then on he stepped up his effort level. He didn't start shooting better immediately but his effort was demonstrably better, then at the end of March he started getting hot and it carried over thru the rest of the season.

It wasn't just Melo's quote but his actual visually noticeable effort increased the day MDA resigned. That is highly suspect and when you add his statement it just puts the final nail in the coffin.

Could it be he got healthier and in better shape as season went along. Melo actually had a great start to season til he hurt his hand and groin. You dont' remember this? You dont' recall his injuries that led to his poor play?

And it wasn't just Melo who play'd hard under Woodson. So was the whole team dogging it?

Great job Foe. I was about to respond to Fish and Nix's post until I scrolled down and saw that you pretty much said everything I was going to say and then some. That quote was taken completely out of context. There is no way your going to tell me that Melo was dogging it first half of the year when he was playing out of position (point forward) for the sake of the team. He also put up the following numbers to start the year:

37 & 8
27, 7 & 5
23, 7 & 5
35, 11 & 4
32, 6, & 5
37, 7 & 4
22, 4 & 6
27, 5 & 3

Then he was injured in the Memphis game and his shooting % went in the crapper for a while. He dealt with a wrist, thumb, and groin injury but for some reason nobody wants to bring that up....

No problem. It's like people start believing things just cause they repeat it and repeat it over and over again.

Wrong, I remember everyone on the team playing hard for MDA, except Melo and Stat, our two best players.

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:

And it wasn't just Melo who play'd hard under Woodson. So was the whole team dogging it?

Pretty much. The whole team was different after Woody took over because he made defense the top priority and held everyone accountable...

right... it could have nothing to do with the star player mailing it in night after night? Did it occur to you that there was a clear power struggle between star player and coach? Once the coach was let go all the players can be done with the drama and go back to playing ball.

Kind of how Gallo and Chandler started playing poorly when they knew they were getting traded for Melo at some point. Its distracting. If you dont think these things factor in to a players performance your ignorant.

Anytime a star player and coach feud the team all plays poorly. Its a dark cloud.

Can someone tell me how Denver made the playoffs last year? I mean they traded a Kobe/Wade caliber superstar for role players, and yet didnt see a dropoff in the wins. In fact they won double their usual playoff total when Melo was there.

Melo doesnt exactly make himself lovable. The guys who ride his jock make it worse.

You sir are very lovable.

When Kobe and PJax fought bitterly and many many many accused kobe on quitting on plays/games, did the rest of the team just cave?

You are really good about making ignorant excuses for every one else. The ones who did not feud with your beloved coach.

And by the way ... I love Amare effort, I am sure that the team feeds off it.

I think the KNicks are doing a good job putting the people around him to make him more effective. Lin would have been nice, because a playmaker could really help the shot selection and crappy FG%. Im not sure Felton will help there or not.

Asking Melo to show up looking like Lebron isnt fair.

He's not going anywhere. Lets put him in a position to help the team win. This is all we have to work with.

fishmike wrote:Melo plays as hard as his peers. The problem is Lebron and Kobe arent his peers. He's a 2nd tier talent.

I think the KNicks are doing a good job putting the people around him to make him more effective. Lin would have been nice, because a playmaker could really help the shot selection and crappy FG%. Im not sure Felton will help there or not.

Asking Melo to show up looking like Lebron isnt fair.

He's not going anywhere. Lets put him in a position to help the team win. This is all we have to work with.

Fair, however Melo is not Lebron and neither is Kobe (who has an even crappier FG% than Melo). No one is - not even close.

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:

And it wasn't just Melo who play'd hard under Woodson. So was the whole team dogging it?

Pretty much. The whole team was different after Woody took over because he made defense the top priority and held everyone accountable...

right... it could have nothing to do with the star player mailing it in night after night? Did it occur to you that there was a clear power struggle between star player and coach? Once the coach was let go all the players can be done with the drama and go back to playing ball.

Kind of how Gallo and Chandler started playing poorly when they knew they were getting traded for Melo at some point. Its distracting. If you dont think these things factor in to a players performance your ignorant.

Anytime a star player and coach feud the team all plays poorly. Its a dark cloud.

Can someone tell me how Denver made the playoffs last year? I mean they traded a Kobe/Wade caliber superstar for role players, and yet didnt see a dropoff in the wins. In fact they won double their usual playoff total when Melo was there.

Melo doesnt exactly make himself lovable. The guys who ride his jock make it worse.

+10000 The Truth hurts for the pro Melo Lovers. Melo wants the glory of the spotlight, well, he has to take the good with the bad criticism that comes with it.

I believe in a TEAM, with Melo, I only see "ME" attitude, if you cannot accept that Melo is a very selfish individual, on and off the court, you are completely blind.

fishmike wrote:Melo plays as hard as his peers. The problem is Lebron and Kobe arent his peers. He's a 2nd tier talent.

I think the KNicks are doing a good job putting the people around him to make him more effective. Lin would have been nice, because a playmaker could really help the shot selection and crappy FG%. Im not sure Felton will help there or not.

Asking Melo to show up looking like Lebron isnt fair.

He's not going anywhere. Lets put him in a position to help the team win. This is all we have to work with.

And a true star, someone with character would have realized that and said. Ok, how can I take this thing called "linsanity" and use it to make myself and the team better..

NO

Instead he showed his true colors. You could see the body language on the floor with lin, he didn't like that he dominated the ball, even if they won, and during lin's contract talks he came out and opened his mouth. He went against an un-written rule... He threw lin under the bus, and tried to backpedal in true melo fashion.. that is not a leader.. those are not qualities of a true star..

Winning, and sustained winning takes character.. melo has little if any... he had a chance to embrace lin and make the knicks and even himself better.. instead he has chosen the route he has his whole career.. win my way, get me my shots, or no one plays with my ball... I will take it and go home..

fish, I would feel better if this team were trying to make carmelo"one of the guys".. but dolan is not, he is empowering him marbury style and to me, that is going to be a mess. this guy doesn't deserve to carry that type of torch for this team.. I wanted a true star and a leader. or a team full of talented guys with character.. winners.... As long as dolan keeps him as the face of the franchise I will always worry. as long as dolan owns the franchise I will always worry..

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:Melo plays as hard as his peers. The problem is Lebron and Kobe arent his peers. He's a 2nd tier talent.

I think the KNicks are doing a good job putting the people around him to make him more effective. Lin would have been nice, because a playmaker could really help the shot selection and crappy FG%. Im not sure Felton will help there or not.

Asking Melo to show up looking like Lebron isnt fair.

He's not going anywhere. Lets put him in a position to help the team win. This is all we have to work with.

And a true star, someone with character would have realized that and said. Ok, how can I take this thing called "linsanity" and use it to make myself and the team better..

NO

Instead he showed his true colors. You could see the body language on the floor with lin, he didn't like that he dominated the ball, even if they won, and during lin's contract talks he came out and opened his mouth. He went against an un-written rule... He threw lin under the bus, and tried to backpedal in true melo fashion.. that is not a leader.. those are not qualities of a true star..

Winning, and sustained winning takes character.. melo has little if any... he had a chance to embrace lin and make the knicks and even himself better.. instead he has chosen the route he has his whole career.. win my way, get me my shots, or no one plays with my ball... I will take it and go home..

fish, I would feel better if this team were trying to make carmelo"one of the guys".. but dolan is not, he is empowering him marbury style and to me, that is going to be a mess. this guy doesn't deserve to carry that type of torch for this team.. I wanted a true star and a leader. or a team full of talented guys with character.. winners.... As long as dolan keeps him as the face of the franchise I will always worry. as long as dolan owns the franchise I will always worry..

so TRUE, watch him opt out before 2015 and demand another max contract, which is what he is really after....
That is why he wants the system to be run through him, so he can "create" more STATS for a "ridiculous" contract, while Lin was improving the quality shots for the TEAM.

FoeDiddy wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:

And it wasn't just Melo who play'd hard under Woodson. So was the whole team dogging it?

Pretty much. The whole team was different after Woody took over because he made defense the top priority and held everyone accountable...

right... it could have nothing to do with the star player mailing it in night after night? Did it occur to you that there was a clear power struggle between star player and coach? Once the coach was let go all the players can be done with the drama and go back to playing ball.

Kind of how Gallo and Chandler started playing poorly when they knew they were getting traded for Melo at some point. Its distracting. If you dont think these things factor in to a players performance your ignorant.

Anytime a star player and coach feud the team all plays poorly. Its a dark cloud.

Can someone tell me how Denver made the playoffs last year? I mean they traded a Kobe/Wade caliber superstar for role players, and yet didnt see a dropoff in the wins. In fact they won double their usual playoff total when Melo was there.

Melo doesnt exactly make himself lovable. The guys who ride his jock make it worse.

That's if he did mail it in night after night which he didn't. Poor play doesn't equate to mailing it in especially if whole team looks lost. It could have something to do with that but to say he was dogging it is ridiculous. And I would put more weight on that if Knicks didn't play 500 ball or under with D'antoni no matter the roster. He was just the wrong coach. The Knicks chose the right side on that Melo/D'Antoni supposed feud.

Denver went from going to WCF to getting bounced in the first round 4 games to 1 to Thunder. they got worse trading Melo & Billups. don't know what the point of your post is.

MDA... please. Dude was here 4 year. First 2 were total garbage rosters. 3rd year we were a playoff team adding Amare and we had a lot of wins over elite teams. Melo trade (not blaming Melo) was tough because whole roster goes and we have a new PG etc.

I had hoped to see Melo in Marion's role in the SSOL. I thought Melo could easily be a 30/10 player, perhaps the first I have ever seen. It wasnt in the cards, and these things happen. Much better coaches have been dumped or quit on. Hell, TMac quit on Doc Rivers and he got canned from Orlando. It happens.

"Denver went from going to WCF to getting bounced in the first round 4 games to 1 to Thunder."

Right.. the 4-1 loss to OKC was with Melo. Before he was traded Denver was a first round and done playoff team. After he was traded they are in the same boat. Thats all Im saying. Non impact

mrKnickShot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:

And it wasn't just Melo who play'd hard under Woodson. So was the whole team dogging it?

Pretty much. The whole team was different after Woody took over because he made defense the top priority and held everyone accountable...

right... it could have nothing to do with the star player mailing it in night after night? Did it occur to you that there was a clear power struggle between star player and coach? Once the coach was let go all the players can be done with the drama and go back to playing ball.

Kind of how Gallo and Chandler started playing poorly when they knew they were getting traded for Melo at some point. Its distracting. If you dont think these things factor in to a players performance your ignorant.

Anytime a star player and coach feud the team all plays poorly. Its a dark cloud.

Can someone tell me how Denver made the playoffs last year? I mean they traded a Kobe/Wade caliber superstar for role players, and yet didnt see a dropoff in the wins. In fact they won double their usual playoff total when Melo was there.

Melo doesnt exactly make himself lovable. The guys who ride his jock make it worse.

You sir are very lovable.

When Kobe and PJax fought bitterly and many many many accused kobe on quitting on plays/games, did the rest of the team just cave?

You are really good about making ignorant excuses for every one else. The ones who did not feud with your beloved coach.

And by the way ... I love Amare effort, I am sure that the team feeds off it.

wasnt that the year the Lakers went to the lottery? You answer your own questions.

Also I dont remember anyone quitting on JVG, as he was the only Knick coach I ever valued as a true asset to the organization, but keep making stuff up if it helps you cling to your views.

But yea... keep telling yourself Kobe and Melo are the same class of player, and wonder why everyone but the other 4 guys on the board currently paying room/board in Melo's jock laugh at that notion.

I think there are more on the board supporting him. Its just you and your interchangeable minded friends that are very disturbed. Many of us believe that you guys are actually one person. There is really no other way of telling you apart. Try to think for yourself, out of the box sometimes. You might even surprise yourself.

That was the year that the Lakers won the lottery? Hah!! You really know your basketball - check again troll.

fishmike wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:

And it wasn't just Melo who play'd hard under Woodson. So was the whole team dogging it?

Pretty much. The whole team was different after Woody took over because he made defense the top priority and held everyone accountable...

right... it could have nothing to do with the star player mailing it in night after night? Did it occur to you that there was a clear power struggle between star player and coach? Once the coach was let go all the players can be done with the drama and go back to playing ball.

Kind of how Gallo and Chandler started playing poorly when they knew they were getting traded for Melo at some point. Its distracting. If you dont think these things factor in to a players performance your ignorant.

Anytime a star player and coach feud the team all plays poorly. Its a dark cloud.

Can someone tell me how Denver made the playoffs last year? I mean they traded a Kobe/Wade caliber superstar for role players, and yet didnt see a dropoff in the wins. In fact they won double their usual playoff total when Melo was there.

Melo doesnt exactly make himself lovable. The guys who ride his jock make it worse.

That's if he did mail it in night after night which he didn't. Poor play doesn't equate to mailing it in especially if whole team looks lost. It could have something to do with that but to say he was dogging it is ridiculous. And I would put more weight on that if Knicks didn't play 500 ball or under with D'antoni no matter the roster. He was just the wrong coach. The Knicks chose the right side on that Melo/D'Antoni supposed feud.

Denver went from going to WCF to getting bounced in the first round 4 games to 1 to Thunder. they got worse trading Melo & Billups. don't know what the point of your post is.

100% agree... MDA was a bad fit. It would have been interesting to see Melo in a PG run SSOL offense. I would have really liked to see what kind of #s Melo puts up in that offense.

MDA... please. Dude was here 4 year. First 2 were total garbage rosters. 3rd year we were a playoff team adding Amare and we had a lot of wins over elite teams. Melo trade (not blaming Melo) was tough because whole roster goes and we have a new PG etc.

I had hoped to see Melo in Marion's role in the SSOL. I thought Melo could easily be a 30/10 player, perhaps the first I have ever seen. It wasnt in the cards, and these things happen. Much better coaches have been dumped or quit on. Hell, TMac quit on Doc Rivers and he got canned from Orlando. It happens.

"Denver went from going to WCF to getting bounced in the first round 4 games to 1 to Thunder."

Right.. the 4-1 loss to OKC was with Melo. Before he was traded Denver was a first round and done playoff team. After he was traded they are in the same boat. Thats all Im saying. Non impact

We were not a guaranteed playoff team before Melo trade and we padded our record against poor teams and were wildly inconsistent vs. top tier teams. We also looked worse and worse as season went along. That was way before Melo rumors. Gallo & Chandler would disappear every 3rd game. Selective memory I say.

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