JamesKPolk wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:well its a bittersweet day. i think once lin went back and renegotiated with the rockets and added that poison pill that he sealed his fate. if he wanted to stay with the knicks, he shouldn't have done so.

Yes, everyone should take less money to stay with the Knicks. They are a championship organization.

listen el presidente, i root for the knicks, not players that leave. he signed the original sheet and was fine with it, why did he have to change it? just barbecue the knicks said they would match? **** that.

He didn't sign any original sheet. What are you talking about? You must listen to Stephen A and Mad Dog too much to actual form a real opinion. The Rockets changed the offer after the Knicks kept saying they would watch. They upped the poison pill on purpose and it also meant more guaranteed money for Jeremy. What was he to do? Not sign it? The Knicks didn't even MAKE HIM AN OFFER. They WANTED him to sign an offer sheet. He signed it. Why do people always make excuses for this piss poor organization? Now we're trying to paint Lin as the villain? LOL.

He barbequed the Knicks.

Well done or medium well?

You're ignoring the fact he flew secretly to Vegas without even telling the Knicks he was there. Not even the coaching staff. If he was an unwilling participant to the renegotiation, he didn't have to sign. The Knicks could have offered him $24M over 4 years and the renegotiated contract was $25 over 3 years. There were just as many reports that suggested he wanted more money in the third year which is why he renegotiated (not to mention the opportunity for a brand spankin new contract in year 4. I think there's plenty of blame to spread around. If he was in Vegas, why not stop in on the summer league practices? Why not have a conversation with the coach he presumably wanted to play for and see how the workouts were going? That's what I would do if I WANTED to be in NY. And Woody was apparently pissed he didn't even come by. He clearly felt ok being a rocket or a knick. And as I've always maintained, Lin's been mum on whether he wanted to be in NY since before the season ended. It was always "I don't know what will happen." He didn't show the same fealty to the Knick's as the Knicks showed him by allowing him to get a bigger and fair contract offer elsewhere so we could match it. Lin KNEW the implications of the 3rd year poison pill, I doubt the ramifications went unnoticed by Lin's team. He had a choice to sign. Novak wanted to be here and he showed it...so much so he took the time to attend the hearing that decided whether he would be allowed to remain a Knick for fair compensation. That's loyalty.

And for those of you who say Melo wasn't any different loyalty wise. Guess what, Melo was a good example of what loyalty to an organization was. He never publicly acknowledged that he wanted a trade to any particular team. He gave the Nuggets all the negotiating chips and that's loyalty. Our organization gave up a lot, but the Nuggets came out well because Melo was loyal to the team he played for for 6 years before he left to start a new chapter. If the the Knicks do not sign him, it is just as fair to say that Lin and his team outmaneuvered himself out of a contract with NY...and hey, why wouldn't the Rockets oblige?

Lin made a choice to sign that contract. It was a choice he could clearly live with regardless of the outcome. I'm not going to sit here and cry and whine over someone who clearly would be just as happy as a Rocket as he would a Knick. I'm going to look forward to and concern myself with the team we DO have as of now. At 11:59 tonight, that may be a different team. I hope he is very successful wherever he ends up. I'm happy that he was able to cash in on his talent and the amazing run that was Linsanity. I honestly wish him nothing but the best and do not harbor any resentment towards him if he is allowed to remain a Rocket...because that's what he currently is unless we match by 11:59 tonight.

I hope he does stay a knick but life goes on. Lin made a choice he could live with and the Knicks will too. We'll see what the official decision is.

What I do know, I'M SO SICK OF HEARING ABOUT IT!!

I can't believe it. just terrible

JamesKPolk wrote:Lin wanted to be here....he didn't get an offer from the Knicks...the Knicks wanted him to set his market value. I'm really at a loss of words for the stuff written here ad nauseum without facts.

You chose how to see this. If you chose seeing Lin as the innocent victim of the malevolent Knicks, there is always the Rockets.

Knicks could very well be making a mistake by not matching, but to see this as a Knicks blunder is being biased. If Lin wanted to be here, he should've thought twice about signing the revamped offer, if it wasn't his team the main responsible for upping the offer. Come on, Lin is intelligent enough to know the first offer was favorable and the second one was a poison pill to the Knicks. If the team taking the poison pill is the team wou want to return, you don't sign the offer and go back to NY to get a similar deal than the first one. To sign a revamped deal without consulting New York, the team you are supposedly wanting to return to, was Lin's mistake and sealed his doom.

Don't see this as a Knicks blunder alone. The Knicks could be missing on a promising young point guard, but Lin is choosing the comfort of his new contract and not the chance to add to his legend in the biggest market, which actually had as much protagonism in the Linsanity story as his good play. Think "Linsanity" will repeat in Houston? Don't think so.

mrKnickShot wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:Lin wanted to be here....he didn't get an offer from the Knicks...the Knicks wanted him to set his market value. I'm really at a loss of words for the stuff written here ad nauseum without facts.

without facts?

How do you know he wanted to be here?

MAYBE HE DIDN'T?? HUH? Ever think of that before you "ad nauseum" state it as fact?

Because everyone has said that, including Saint Carmelo and Lin himself?

Who said he "went behind the Knick back" or whatever other garbage was said besides Stephen A and Marc Berman? Actually Stephen A was on the radio earlier changing his story and yelling about how the Rockets changed the contract offer after Yao called them to urge them to go after Lin stronger. So clearly Stephen A continues to talk out of his ass, as usual.

You can't be that Naive

Everyone knows that we all know Sh1t.

Whoever listens to what (Saint) Carmelo (funny) or Lin himself (even dumber) says and takes it at face value, I have a bridge over in Brooklyn (no pun intended) to sell you.

I guess I can say the same thing for anyone who listens to Stephen A or Berman at face value.

JamesKPolk wrote:Lin wanted to be here....he didn't get an offer from the Knicks...the Knicks wanted him to set his market value. I'm really at a loss of words for the stuff written here ad nauseum without facts.

I know it's been beat to death the past several days, but if Lin really wanted to be here, he could have let that happen. If you're to believe the papers, Knicks were ready to match that initial offer sheet and that got leaked. Is them telling him they will match the offer essentially not an offer of their own? Knicks flubbed this up too, but I don't buy that either party is completely innocent in the whole mess.

3:1 odds that the world keeps spinning after midnight, but that's subject to change.

MaTT4281 wrote:Sucks if true, but I'll choose to remain ignorantly hopeful until midnight. Would love to see Lin develop in a Knick jersey, but as much of a gift as he was last season, losing him is certainly not insurmountable.

JamesKPolk wrote:Lin wanted to be here....he didn't get an offer from the Knicks...the Knicks wanted him to set his market value. I'm really at a loss of words for the stuff written here ad nauseum without facts.

I know it's been beat to death the past several days, but if Lin really wanted to be here, he could have let that happen. If you're to believe the papers, Knicks were ready to match that initial offer sheet and that got leaked. Is them telling him they will match the offer essentially not an offer of their own? Knicks flubbed this up too, but I don't buy that either party is completely innocent in the whole mess.

3:1 odds that the world keeps spinning after midnight, but that's subject to change.

You realize Lin doesn't control the offer sheet, right? The Rockets wanted to increase it to make it harder for the Knicks to match. Even if Lin stupidly demanded he sign the original sheet, the Rockets wouldn't want that. They wanted this "poison pill" contract to make it harder on the Knicks. The Knicks, meanwhile, never made any effort to sign Lin first. They chased Nash, Kidd and Felton before Lin.

JamesKPolk wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:Lin wanted to be here....he didn't get an offer from the Knicks...the Knicks wanted him to set his market value. I'm really at a loss of words for the stuff written here ad nauseum without facts.

without facts?

How do you know he wanted to be here?

MAYBE HE DIDN'T?? HUH? Ever think of that before you "ad nauseum" state it as fact?

Because everyone has said that, including Saint Carmelo and Lin himself?

Who said he "went behind the Knick back" or whatever other garbage was said besides Stephen A and Marc Berman? Actually Stephen A was on the radio earlier changing his story and yelling about how the Rockets changed the contract offer after Yao called them to urge them to go after Lin stronger. So clearly Stephen A continues to talk out of his ass, as usual.

You can't be that Naive

Everyone knows that we all know Sh1t.

Whoever listens to what (Saint) Carmelo (funny) or Lin himself (even dumber) says and takes it at face value, I have a bridge over in Brooklyn (no pun intended) to sell you.

I guess I can say the same thing for anyone who listens to Stephen A or Berman at face value.

Are you saying that I listen to either of them? if yes, YOU'D BE WRONG!!

I can't believe they are that stupid.

Knicksfan wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:Lin wanted to be here....he didn't get an offer from the Knicks...the Knicks wanted him to set his market value. I'm really at a loss of words for the stuff written here ad nauseum without facts.

You chose how to see this. If you chose seeing Lin as the innocent victim of the malevolent Knicks, there is always the Rockets.

Knicks could very well be making a mistake by not matching, but to see this as a Knicks blunder is being biased. If Lin wanted to be here, he should've thought twice about signing the revamped offer, if it wasn't his team the main responsible for upping the offer. Come on, Lin is intelligent enough to know the first offer was favorable and the second one was a poison pill to the Knicks. If the team taking the poison pill is the team wou want to return, you don't sign the offer and go back to NY to get a similar deal than the first one. To sign a revamped deal without consulting New York, the team you are supposedly wanting to return to, was Lin's mistake and sealed his doom.

Don't see this as a Knicks blunder alone. The Knicks could be missing on a promising young point guard, but Lin is choosing the comfort of his new contract and not the chance to add to his legend in the biggest market, which actually had as much protagonism in the Linsanity story as his good play. Think "Linsanity" will repeat in Houston? Don't think so.

Has sports changed recently and I'm not aware? When do players refuse guaranteed money? There is no loyalty in sports from anyone.

Yet you criminalize the Knicks? Come on, man, if you are gonna us an argument to defend Lin, make sure it doesn't contradict with your fault against New York.

The Knicks had a chance to match this contract, correct? They've paid far worse players in the past.