joec32033 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:not trying to rag on lin, but steven a. smith said pretty much the same exact things on sportscenter today - especially about the buying into success thing.

take it however you want.

Smith also said the other day that he spoke to Lin's teammates after Lin was cleared to play and after he said that he wasn't ready (at 85 percent) some of them asked if he could play just 15 minutes a game and he still said no. If Lin said no to that option as well, it becomes a little clearer as to why Lin might not be so popular in the locker room.

Something major I forgot. As per SAS, Lin was cleared by the Knicks to play in the playoffs but he chose not to. Said players had to understand from a business standpoint, but from a locker room/competitive standpoint, he lost some guys.

SAS also said he isn't hated or anything, as he is a very likeable kid, but he isn't beloved by a long shot either.

No wonder SAS repeatedly keeps bringing up that "85%" issue. Lin's heart is being called into question. That will definitely cause some other players to not respect him as much.

...now if he comes back, with his durability AND his heart being suspect, with that contract that he and Morey "re-worked", how will all of THAT resonate in the locker room?

Those are the kinds of dirstractions that this team doesn't need. If the Knicks do match for Lin, then that is an issue that will need to be addressed ASAP.

Uptown wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Im glad lin didnt waste his time playing against the heat after being out for weeks after knee surgery. Im happy he put himself in position to get the best possible deal for himself. His first major deal. No different then Melo forcing a trade to ny to get the max contract with the uncertainty of the cba. At least lin secured his 25mil. I mean its not 100mil like amare & melo but he should be set financially

This is the most BS post I've seen on this site. Are you really saying its okay for Lin to sit out PLAYOFF GAMES AFTER HE WAS CLEARED TO PLAY???!!!!! Melo would have been hung in efergy if he pulled that crap!!!! Can believe this post Guns....

Melo has a long term contract

mrKnickShot wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

misterearl wrote:While We're At It, Let's Get A Few Other Things Straight

JamesKPolk wrote:Let's get a few things straight first....

Stephen A Smith is one of the douchiest individuals on this planet and also a huge moron.

Steven A is an entertainer. As such he can be appreciated for what he does and you can form your own opinion on events.

Just because he yells a lot doesn't make him right.

Of course not, it's a schtick. Didn't you see the Jay Pharoah bit on SNL?

His "reporting" is usually driven by a personal or racist agenda and not by actual facts.

Calling someone a racist is not cool.

He also is a very good friend with Isiah Thomas and has backed him returning to the Knicks.

Big deal. Magic Johnson was friends wit Zeke, you gonna bash him too?

Stephen A is probably a racist.

(see above)

Do you know Stephen A personally like I do? Clearly you don't, so you have no room to talk. I can make that statement because I know him personally and his history. If Lin was black he wouldn't be saying anything like this about him and would be talking up his talent. Anyone who knows the man knows his agenda.

Oh ... Now you know him so you have the authority to talk - how pathetically sad!!

I'm calling out Polk on his Bull***t..

holfresh wrote:When Lin waved off Amare on the PnR, it told me all AJ need to know about this kid..

yea

if Lin can do that and wants to shoot more than #1 and #2 stars whom also arent shooters(good consistency)
then the trio will not complement each other well since 2 of 3 need to be scorer' 1st always mentality.

If Lin was back JKidd coulda helped him there

I really think Lin wants to be a star/superstar & have his own team
and run it. He plays like he wants to be a #1.

np with that thinking but dunno if it works on the knicks here
with this cast roster

JamesKPolk wrote:Go ahead and call me out. You don't like what I write? Tough. I don't like the garbage I'm reading in here either. To put Stephen A on a pedestal is disgusting. It's more disgusting when you know what the man is really about. The guy is a grade-A douche who gets fired every year from his job because of backstage feuds. Having met him and spoken to him countless times (he is my friend's brother's godfather) and spoken to those close to him, the agenda is clear. He will support black players over any other race, no matter the talent or whatnot. That's a fact, Jack. Ban me if you like. That's the 100% truth.

Yo brother
chill I'm going to take back seat & end it.

You carry on, make your posts. I've had bad days & good days.

Dont sweat it & Its all opinions here man'

If the DJ can get on board forums, get run out & ignored and
let back in by likes or martin and andrew

Well anything is possible.
We're all knick fans ..that's all

HARDCOREKNICKSFAN wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:not trying to rag on lin, but steven a. smith said pretty much the same exact things on sportscenter today - especially about the buying into success thing.

take it however you want.

Smith also said the other day that he spoke to Lin's teammates after Lin was cleared to play and after he said that he wasn't ready (at 85 percent) some of them asked if he could play just 15 minutes a game and he still said no. If Lin said no to that option as well, it becomes a little clearer as to why Lin might not be so popular in the locker room.

Something major I forgot. As per SAS, Lin was cleared by the Knicks to play in the playoffs but he chose not to. Said players had to understand from a business standpoint, but from a locker room/competitive standpoint, he lost some guys.

SAS also said he isn't hated or anything, as he is a very likeable kid, but he isn't beloved by a long shot either.

No wonder SAS repeatedly keeps bringing up that "85%" issue. Lin's heart is being called into question. That will definitely cause some other players to not respect him as much.

...now if he comes back, with his durability AND his heart being suspect, with that contract that he and Morey "re-worked", how will all of THAT resonate in the locker room?

Those are the kinds of dirstractions that this team doesn't need. If the Knicks do match for Lin, then that is an issue that will need to be addressed ASAP.

And if Lin does go to Houston to be the face of the franchise it will be interesting to see how many blue chip FAs want to play with him. Hard to say right now.

joec32033 wrote:I was listening to Chris Russo on Sirius on my way home and he had some not so flattering things to say about Lin...I was cut short on my Ride but this is what I heard...

Lin went back and renegotiated-as in there the 5/5/9 contract was the ORIGINAL- contract at the Rockets request without telling Knicks
Knicks feel Lin showing no loyalty to a franchise that showed loyalty to him
Knicks unhappy Lin hired a publicist (I assume MSG provides players with those and Lin hired a private one)
If this current offer sheet was the first one presented and there was no renegotiation, the Knicks would have matched it already no problems
Matching contract is not about the money

In regards to off court:

Lin is amazingly hard to get a hold of media wise
Lin has blown off media several times, especially when he was injured, angering "crusty" old time reporters
Russo stated his opinion is Lin is buying into his own success and has definitely let it go to his head

joec32033 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:not trying to rag on lin, but steven a. smith said pretty much the same exact things on sportscenter today - especially about the buying into success thing.

take it however you want.

Smith also said the other day that he spoke to Lin's teammates after Lin was cleared to play and after he said that he wasn't ready (at 85 percent) some of them asked if he could play just 15 minutes a game and he still said no. If Lin said no to that option as well, it becomes a little clearer as to why Lin might not be so popular in the locker room.

Something major I forgot. As per SAS, Lin was cleared by the Knicks to play in the playoffs but he chose not to. Said players had to understand from a business standpoint, but from a locker room/competitive standpoint, he lost some guys.

SAS also said he isn't hated or anything, as he is a very likeable kid, but he isn't beloved by a long shot either.

Many have been talking about that and if true, that is very telling. Since this is completely speculation, I won't say this is what I believe, but its kinda interesting that most of the new information coming up about Lin shows him like a guy that got a wanted opportunity and played very well, but the instant he became a global phenomenon, he started to listen the wrong people, started caring more about his brand than basketball (didn't the same people defending Lin criminalized Lebron for doing the same?) and kept looking for the best deal possible. This seems to fit the idea that Lin took the promise to match from NY and looked for more and renegotiated a new contract, Seems farfetched he did it alone, so maybe the Rockets brought it up, but he and his team had to know this situation was possibly going to happen.

gunsnewing wrote:

Uptown wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Im glad lin didnt waste his time playing against the heat after being out for weeks after knee surgery. Im happy he put himself in position to get the best possible deal for himself. His first major deal. No different then Melo forcing a trade to ny to get the max contract with the uncertainty of the cba. At least lin secured his 25mil. I mean its not 100mil like amare & melo but he should be set financially

This is the most BS post I've seen on this site. Are you really saying its okay for Lin to sit out PLAYOFF GAMES AFTER HE WAS CLEARED TO PLAY???!!!!! Melo would have been hung in efergy if he pulled that crap!!!! Can believe this post Guns....

Melo has a long term contract

Wow man! Amazing your resiliency defending Lin. Admirable...

Knicksfan wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Uptown wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Im glad lin didnt waste his time playing against the heat after being out for weeks after knee surgery. Im happy he put himself in position to get the best possible deal for himself. His first major deal. No different then Melo forcing a trade to ny to get the max contract with the uncertainty of the cba. At least lin secured his 25mil. I mean its not 100mil like amare & melo but he should be set financially

This is the most BS post I've seen on this site. Are you really saying its okay for Lin to sit out PLAYOFF GAMES AFTER HE WAS CLEARED TO PLAY???!!!!! Melo would have been hung in efergy if he pulled that crap!!!! Can believe this post Guns....

Melo has a long term contract

Wow man! Amazing your resiliency defending Lin. Admirable...

I see both points. Personally, I would never play for the money and sit out. But, if a great and up and coming player like Lin doesn't have a contract and is risking everything by playing, I can't completely disagree. On the other side, it was just a small piece of cartilage that was taken out. Lin relies on his athleticism, not sure if playing against Miami is in Lin's or the teams best interests, as he might have re-ripped it worse, and then we are all screwed. It isn't real clear cut to me.

What is clear to me, and many others, is Dolan is an idiot. No doubts there. He made this personal. Lin as an asset could have helped us (and as a player) - you put the personal stuff aside as this is a business (unfortunately).