CashMoney wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

crzymdups wrote:$25M over three years is a good deal for Lin.

Carmelo is making $64M over those same 3yrs, by the way. Amar'e is making $64M over those same three years, by the way. Felton, Kidd and Camby are making $30M combined over those same 3 years by the way.

$25M for Lin is a fine deal. He will be an utter bargain for the first and second year. And he was an utter bargain last year.

Knicks will get Lin for 4yrs $26M. Compare that to 4yr $83M for Amar'e or 4yr $83M for Melo.

Anyone who says Lin is overpaid at 4yrs $26M is INSANE.

3 year for $25 million with over $14 million in year 3 based on 25 games is being overpaid. Comparing Lin to STAT and Melo is absurd.

Smart teams don't base contracts on past performance.

They base them on an expectation of performance over the life of the contract.

Who do you think will give you more bang for your buck over the next three years? Amar'e at $64M? Or Lin at $25?

Amar'e will be 32 in the last year of his deal and making $24M in that season.

Lin will be 26, in his prime, making $14M.

Also, small sample size is stupid. It's enough to evaluate the player. Kyrie Irving was drafted number 1 overall based on ELEVEN college games. a #1 draft pick is a $35M investment. Irving will make $30M in salary over the next four years, minimum, he'll be eligible for a max extension before then. Lin's season was comprable to Irving's.

No one truly knows how Lin will play this season which is why the contract is such a gamble. We're not talking about a 1st round draft pick. We're talking about a kid who was not drafted, waived twice and played awesome for a stretch of 25 games. Also, a player who was at 85% and able to play in the playoffs but wouldn't so he wouldn't jeapordize his worth. There are still a lot of questions about Lin's game specifically defense and turnovers. I would love to have him back but I can't hate on the Knicks not wanting to pay upwards of $30 million dollars for a question mark.

There is no denying that Lin can ball but the question is will Lin in his prime be worth $14 million in salary. Heck, Steve Nash never made that type of money and the dude is a 2 time MVP. Rondo would be making a million less per year than Lin in year 3 and Rondo is the better player. Had the offer sheet been for the verbal 4 years $28 mil there is no doubt in my mind that the Knicks would have matched.

I'm sorry but a player getting paid $14 million for even 1 year needs to deserve and have earned that type of money. Lin isn't even close to being worth that price tag.

So hard for Lin Lovers to let emotion out of the equation. If everyone would see this as a logic based decision, they'd be better off.

ChuckBuck wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

crzymdups wrote:$25M over three years is a good deal for Lin.

Carmelo is making $64M over those same 3yrs, by the way. Amar'e is making $64M over those same three years, by the way. Felton, Kidd and Camby are making $30M combined over those same 3 years by the way.

$25M for Lin is a fine deal. He will be an utter bargain for the first and second year. And he was an utter bargain last year.

Knicks will get Lin for 4yrs $26M. Compare that to 4yr $83M for Amar'e or 4yr $83M for Melo.

Anyone who says Lin is overpaid at 4yrs $26M is INSANE.

3 year for $25 million with over $14 million in year 3 based on 25 games is being overpaid. Comparing Lin to STAT and Melo is absurd.

Smart teams don't base contracts on past performance.

They base them on an expectation of performance over the life of the contract.

Who do you think will give you more bang for your buck over the next three years? Amar'e at $64M? Or Lin at $25?

Amar'e will be 32 in the last year of his deal and making $24M in that season.

Lin will be 26, in his prime, making $14M.

Also, small sample size is stupid. It's enough to evaluate the player. Kyrie Irving was drafted number 1 overall based on ELEVEN college games. a #1 draft pick is a $35M investment. Irving will make $30M in salary over the next four years, minimum, he'll be eligible for a max extension before then. Lin's season was comprable to Irving's.

No one truly knows how Lin will play this season which is why the contract is such a gamble. We're not talking about a 1st round draft pick. We're talking about a kid who was not drafted, waived twice and played awesome for a stretch of 25 games. Also, a player who was at 85% and able to play in the playoffs but wouldn't so he wouldn't jeapordize his worth. There are still a lot of questions about Lin's game specifically defense and turnovers. I would love to have him back but I can't hate on the Knicks not wanting to pay upwards of $30 million dollars for a question mark.

There is no denying that Lin can ball but the question is will Lin in his prime be worth $14 million in salary. Heck, Steve Nash never made that type of money and the dude is a 2 time MVP. Rondo would be making a million less per year than Lin in year 3 and Rondo is the better player. Had the offer sheet been for the verbal 4 years $28 mil there is no doubt in my mind that the Knicks would have matched.

I'm sorry but a player getting paid $14 million for even 1 year needs to deserve and have earned that type of money. Lin isn't even close to being worth that price tag.

So hard for Lin Lovers to let emotion out of the equation. If everyone would see this as a logic based decision, they'd be better off.

That's where you're wrong. This is an emotional decision by Dolan. He's not matching because he's mad at Lin for going back to Houston and getting more money.

In that light, I think it's perfectly fine for me to respond emotionally to tell Dolan to take his team and shove it.

mrKnickShot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Still, Lin had success at the highest level and with a very poor surrounding cast.

Playing even POORER competition

Yeah, the Lakers and the Mavs were horrible. The Pacers suck! Good argument.

The Lakers and the Mavs were BAD road teams - simpler than SaberMetrics

THE PACERS???

yeah, the third seed in the east. remember them?

I do. And I also remember that the Pacers were not part of Linsanity.

And yet, Jeremy Lin led the Knicks to two easy wins over them in March right after Woodson took over. Look it up.

A few weeks later when Lin was out and Melosanity was rolling, the Pacers embarrassed the Knicks in the 4th quarter.

He beat the pacers with a poor supporting cast?

And I am sure he coulda helped against the pacers on 4/3 since we had no PG and Melo was all alone 39/10 boards

Listen, if Lin ends up on IR for alot of his 3 years, at least he will making Dolan crazy money selling Knicks Pharmaceuticals

Melo was "all alone" yet had the same supporting cast that Lin was able to lead to victories over the Pacers. Interesting.

crzymdups wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

crzymdups wrote:$25M over three years is a good deal for Lin.

Carmelo is making $64M over those same 3yrs, by the way. Amar'e is making $64M over those same three years, by the way. Felton, Kidd and Camby are making $30M combined over those same 3 years by the way.

$25M for Lin is a fine deal. He will be an utter bargain for the first and second year. And he was an utter bargain last year.

Knicks will get Lin for 4yrs $26M. Compare that to 4yr $83M for Amar'e or 4yr $83M for Melo.

Anyone who says Lin is overpaid at 4yrs $26M is INSANE.

3 year for $25 million with over $14 million in year 3 based on 25 games is being overpaid. Comparing Lin to STAT and Melo is absurd.

Smart teams don't base contracts on past performance.

They base them on an expectation of performance over the life of the contract.

Who do you think will give you more bang for your buck over the next three years? Amar'e at $64M? Or Lin at $25?

Amar'e will be 32 in the last year of his deal and making $24M in that season.

Lin will be 26, in his prime, making $14M.

Also, small sample size is stupid. It's enough to evaluate the player. Kyrie Irving was drafted number 1 overall based on ELEVEN college games. a #1 draft pick is a $35M investment. Irving will make $30M in salary over the next four years, minimum, he'll be eligible for a max extension before then. Lin's season was comprable to Irving's.

No one truly knows how Lin will play this season which is why the contract is such a gamble. We're not talking about a 1st round draft pick. We're talking about a kid who was not drafted, waived twice and played awesome for a stretch of 25 games. Also, a player who was at 85% and able to play in the playoffs but wouldn't so he wouldn't jeapordize his worth. There are still a lot of questions about Lin's game specifically defense and turnovers. I would love to have him back but I can't hate on the Knicks not wanting to pay upwards of $30 million dollars for a question mark.

There is no denying that Lin can ball but the question is will Lin in his prime be worth $14 million in salary. Heck, Steve Nash never made that type of money and the dude is a 2 time MVP. Rondo would be making a million less per year than Lin in year 3 and Rondo is the better player. Had the offer sheet been for the verbal 4 years $28 mil there is no doubt in my mind that the Knicks would have matched.

I'm sorry but a player getting paid $14 million for even 1 year needs to deserve and have earned that type of money. Lin isn't even close to being worth that price tag.

So hard for Lin Lovers to let emotion out of the equation. If everyone would see this as a logic based decision, they'd be better off.

That's where you're wrong. This is an emotional decision by Dolan. He's not matching because he's mad at Lin for going back to Houston and getting more money.

In that light, I think it's perfectly fine for me to respond emotionally to tell Dolan to take his team and shove it.

So $43mill in year 3 is an emotional decision? Hate on Dolan all you want, but this is the most fiscally responsible the Knicks have been in awhile. Grunwald actually has a plan in place, instead of just signing everyone, trading draft picks away etc. We didn't give up Shumpert, we only gave away end of the bench guys, and 2nd rd draft picks. Lucking out on the EBR case, we were able to land everyone we said we wanted back with the exceptions of Landry and Lin. Now that we have a roster in place that makes sense, you want the Knicks to be handcuffed from making future moves by signing a bad contract? Nope, it's all business, partner.

crzymdups wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

crzymdups wrote:$25M over three years is a good deal for Lin.

Carmelo is making $64M over those same 3yrs, by the way. Amar'e is making $64M over those same three years, by the way. Felton, Kidd and Camby are making $30M combined over those same 3 years by the way.

$25M for Lin is a fine deal. He will be an utter bargain for the first and second year. And he was an utter bargain last year.

Knicks will get Lin for 4yrs $26M. Compare that to 4yr $83M for Amar'e or 4yr $83M for Melo.

Anyone who says Lin is overpaid at 4yrs $26M is INSANE.

3 year for $25 million with over $14 million in year 3 based on 25 games is being overpaid. Comparing Lin to STAT and Melo is absurd.

Smart teams don't base contracts on past performance.

They base them on an expectation of performance over the life of the contract.

Who do you think will give you more bang for your buck over the next three years? Amar'e at $64M? Or Lin at $25?

Amar'e will be 32 in the last year of his deal and making $24M in that season.

Lin will be 26, in his prime, making $14M.

Also, small sample size is stupid. It's enough to evaluate the player. Kyrie Irving was drafted number 1 overall based on ELEVEN college games. a #1 draft pick is a $35M investment. Irving will make $30M in salary over the next four years, minimum, he'll be eligible for a max extension before then. Lin's season was comprable to Irving's.

No one truly knows how Lin will play this season which is why the contract is such a gamble. We're not talking about a 1st round draft pick. We're talking about a kid who was not drafted, waived twice and played awesome for a stretch of 25 games. Also, a player who was at 85% and able to play in the playoffs but wouldn't so he wouldn't jeapordize his worth. There are still a lot of questions about Lin's game specifically defense and turnovers. I would love to have him back but I can't hate on the Knicks not wanting to pay upwards of $30 million dollars for a question mark.

There is no denying that Lin can ball but the question is will Lin in his prime be worth $14 million in salary. Heck, Steve Nash never made that type of money and the dude is a 2 time MVP. Rondo would be making a million less per year than Lin in year 3 and Rondo is the better player. Had the offer sheet been for the verbal 4 years $28 mil there is no doubt in my mind that the Knicks would have matched.

I'm sorry but a player getting paid $14 million for even 1 year needs to deserve and have earned that type of money. Lin isn't even close to being worth that price tag.

So hard for Lin Lovers to let emotion out of the equation. If everyone would see this as a logic based decision, they'd be better off.

That's where you're wrong. This is an emotional decision by Dolan. He's not matching because he's mad at Lin for going back to Houston and getting more money.

In that light, I think it's perfectly fine for me to respond emotionally to tell Dolan to take his team and shove it.

It may be an emotional decision by Dolan or it may be a smart business decision.... time will tell. Your entitled to your feelings but if you're going to bail on the Knicks because of Lin than you're not a true fan pal.

CashMoney wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

crzymdups wrote:$25M over three years is a good deal for Lin.

Carmelo is making $64M over those same 3yrs, by the way. Amar'e is making $64M over those same three years, by the way. Felton, Kidd and Camby are making $30M combined over those same 3 years by the way.

$25M for Lin is a fine deal. He will be an utter bargain for the first and second year. And he was an utter bargain last year.

Knicks will get Lin for 4yrs $26M. Compare that to 4yr $83M for Amar'e or 4yr $83M for Melo.

Anyone who says Lin is overpaid at 4yrs $26M is INSANE.

3 year for $25 million with over $14 million in year 3 based on 25 games is being overpaid. Comparing Lin to STAT and Melo is absurd.

Smart teams don't base contracts on past performance.

They base them on an expectation of performance over the life of the contract.

Who do you think will give you more bang for your buck over the next three years? Amar'e at $64M? Or Lin at $25?

Amar'e will be 32 in the last year of his deal and making $24M in that season.

Lin will be 26, in his prime, making $14M.

Also, small sample size is stupid. It's enough to evaluate the player. Kyrie Irving was drafted number 1 overall based on ELEVEN college games. a #1 draft pick is a $35M investment. Irving will make $30M in salary over the next four years, minimum, he'll be eligible for a max extension before then. Lin's season was comprable to Irving's.

No one truly knows how Lin will play this season which is why the contract is such a gamble. We're not talking about a 1st round draft pick. We're talking about a kid who was not drafted, waived twice and played awesome for a stretch of 25 games. Also, a player who was at 85% and able to play in the playoffs but wouldn't so he wouldn't jeapordize his worth. There are still a lot of questions about Lin's game specifically defense and turnovers. I would love to have him back but I can't hate on the Knicks not wanting to pay upwards of $30 million dollars for a question mark.

There is no denying that Lin can ball but the question is will Lin in his prime be worth $14 million in salary. Heck, Steve Nash never made that type of money and the dude is a 2 time MVP. Rondo would be making a million less per year than Lin in year 3 and Rondo is the better player. Had the offer sheet been for the verbal 4 years $28 mil there is no doubt in my mind that the Knicks would have matched.

I'm sorry but a player getting paid $14 million for even 1 year needs to deserve and have earned that type of money. Lin isn't even close to being worth that price tag.

So hard for Lin Lovers to let emotion out of the equation. If everyone would see this as a logic based decision, they'd be better off.

That's where you're wrong. This is an emotional decision by Dolan. He's not matching because he's mad at Lin for going back to Houston and getting more money.

In that light, I think it's perfectly fine for me to respond emotionally to tell Dolan to take his team and shove it.

It may be an emotional decision by Dolan or it may be a smart business decision.... time will tell. Your entitled to your feelings but if you're going to bail on the Knicks because of Lin than you're not a true fan pal.

oh no, I'm not a true fan of dolan's idiocy? what a turn coat i am.

the idea of being a fan of the knicks and supporting this alcoholic jazz man's flights of fancy and temper tantrums makes me sick.

if that's the cost of being a knicks fan, i can't do it anymore.

a team that makes a decision this epically stupid will NEVER win a championship.

crzymdups wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Still, Lin had success at the highest level and with a very poor surrounding cast.

Playing even POORER competition

Yeah, the Lakers and the Mavs were horrible. The Pacers suck! Good argument.

The Lakers and the Mavs were BAD road teams - simpler than SaberMetrics

THE PACERS???

yeah, the third seed in the east. remember them?

I do. And I also remember that the Pacers were not part of Linsanity.

And yet, Jeremy Lin led the Knicks to two easy wins over them in March right after Woodson took over. Look it up.

A few weeks later when Lin was out and Melosanity was rolling, the Pacers embarrassed the Knicks in the 4th quarter.

He beat the pacers with a poor supporting cast?

And I am sure he coulda helped against the pacers on 4/3 since we had no PG and Melo was all alone 39/10 boards

Listen, if Lin ends up on IR for alot of his 3 years, at least he will making Dolan crazy money selling Knicks Pharmaceuticals

Melo was "all alone" yet had the same supporting cast that Lin was able to lead to victories over the Pacers. Interesting.

Uh no - Lin had Melo while Melo did not have Lin - Geez!

And, we all know that the Knicks had no other PG and how hard it is to win without a PG

Well good thing we have 48yr old Jason Kidd and 300lb Ray Felton. I hope they don't get drunk and crash into a Dairy Queen.

Don't forget about Prigioni!

crzymdups wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

crzymdups wrote:$25M over three years is a good deal for Lin.

Carmelo is making $64M over those same 3yrs, by the way. Amar'e is making $64M over those same three years, by the way. Felton, Kidd and Camby are making $30M combined over those same 3 years by the way.

$25M for Lin is a fine deal. He will be an utter bargain for the first and second year. And he was an utter bargain last year.

Knicks will get Lin for 4yrs $26M. Compare that to 4yr $83M for Amar'e or 4yr $83M for Melo.

Anyone who says Lin is overpaid at 4yrs $26M is INSANE.

3 year for $25 million with over $14 million in year 3 based on 25 games is being overpaid. Comparing Lin to STAT and Melo is absurd.

Smart teams don't base contracts on past performance.

They base them on an expectation of performance over the life of the contract.

Who do you think will give you more bang for your buck over the next three years? Amar'e at $64M? Or Lin at $25?

Amar'e will be 32 in the last year of his deal and making $24M in that season.

Lin will be 26, in his prime, making $14M.

Also, small sample size is stupid. It's enough to evaluate the player. Kyrie Irving was drafted number 1 overall based on ELEVEN college games. a #1 draft pick is a $35M investment. Irving will make $30M in salary over the next four years, minimum, he'll be eligible for a max extension before then. Lin's season was comprable to Irving's.

No one truly knows how Lin will play this season which is why the contract is such a gamble. We're not talking about a 1st round draft pick. We're talking about a kid who was not drafted, waived twice and played awesome for a stretch of 25 games. Also, a player who was at 85% and able to play in the playoffs but wouldn't so he wouldn't jeapordize his worth. There are still a lot of questions about Lin's game specifically defense and turnovers. I would love to have him back but I can't hate on the Knicks not wanting to pay upwards of $30 million dollars for a question mark.

There is no denying that Lin can ball but the question is will Lin in his prime be worth $14 million in salary. Heck, Steve Nash never made that type of money and the dude is a 2 time MVP. Rondo would be making a million less per year than Lin in year 3 and Rondo is the better player. Had the offer sheet been for the verbal 4 years $28 mil there is no doubt in my mind that the Knicks would have matched.

I'm sorry but a player getting paid $14 million for even 1 year needs to deserve and have earned that type of money. Lin isn't even close to being worth that price tag.

So hard for Lin Lovers to let emotion out of the equation. If everyone would see this as a logic based decision, they'd be better off.

That's where you're wrong. This is an emotional decision by Dolan. He's not matching because he's mad at Lin for going back to Houston and getting more money.

In that light, I think it's perfectly fine for me to respond emotionally to tell Dolan to take his team and shove it.

It may be an emotional decision by Dolan or it may be a smart business decision.... time will tell. Your entitled to your feelings but if you're going to bail on the Knicks because of Lin than you're not a true fan pal.

oh no, I'm not a true fan of dolan's idiocy? what a turn coat i am.

the idea of being a fan of the knicks and supporting this alcoholic jazz man's flights of fancy and temper tantrums makes me sick.

if that's the cost of being a knicks fan, i can't do it anymore.

a team that makes a decision this epically stupid will NEVER win a championship.

My bad, I forgot that Lin is the 2nd coming of Magic Johnson. Why support a team that is going to win 50 games + next season after suffering for so long?

crzymdups wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Still, Lin had success at the highest level and with a very poor surrounding cast.

Playing even POORER competition

Yeah, the Lakers and the Mavs were horrible. The Pacers suck! Good argument.

The Lakers and the Mavs were BAD road teams - simpler than SaberMetrics

THE PACERS???

yeah, the third seed in the east. remember them?

I do. And I also remember that the Pacers were not part of Linsanity.

And yet, Jeremy Lin led the Knicks to two easy wins over them in March right after Woodson took over. Look it up.

A few weeks later when Lin was out and Melosanity was rolling, the Pacers embarrassed the Knicks in the 4th quarter.

He beat the pacers with a poor supporting cast?

And I am sure he coulda helped against the pacers on 4/3 since we had no PG and Melo was all alone 39/10 boards

Listen, if Lin ends up on IR for alot of his 3 years, at least he will making Dolan crazy money selling Knicks Pharmaceuticals

Melo was "all alone" yet had the same supporting cast that Lin was able to lead to victories over the Pacers. Interesting.

Uh no - Lin had Melo while Melo did not have Lin - Geez!

And, we all know that the Knicks had no other PG and how hard it is to win without a PG

Well good thing we have 48yr old Jason Kidd and 300lb Ray Felton. I hope they don't get drunk and crash into a Dairy Queen.

Wow man! you are going over to the dark side :-)\

Didn't the smart lakers just give up 2 1st's and 2 seconds's for 90 y/o Nash?

if you think steve nash and jason kidd are in the same galaxy as nba players at this point, then you have just admitted you don't know enough about basketball to be telling me if the knicks should sign jeremy lin.

No (if that is the only deduction that you were able to make)

Don't judge age!

Did we give up that much for Kidd? I am sure you would have been bitching and threatening exodus if we made the Nash/Shump trade.