Knicksfan wrote:You know what would be funny?

We match the offer.

So many fans are against Lin now that I think they wouldn't know how to feel having him back.

I think the Knicks have leaked stuff to pretty purposely turn the public tide against Lin.

Knicksfan wrote:You know what would be funny?

We match the offer.

So many fans are against Lin now that I think they wouldn't know how to feel having him back.

I know I would have trouble with it. That third year isn't what I would call a good faith gesture on Lin's part. No one faulted Lin for wanting to get paid, some of us didn't expect him to be so mercenary about it considering that he got his shot in NY. He could of still gotten paid without a deal that was designed to make the Knicks think twice about signing it. At least Felton seems genuinely excited about being a Knick.

- Lin not going to the team he wants
- Knicks not getting Lin
- Rockets saddled with impossible contract in year 3 - Lin at $15 million is going to be the worst contract in the NBA

Fuck this, I'm depressed. Liked how the offseason was going, but that was based on Lin. Not at all optimistic now.

Solace wrote:Fuck this. I give up on this management. From what I read, the only reason Lin went looking elsewhere is we made him no offer. He signed the offer sheet with the idea that we were going to match no matter what. Now we're not matching. In this deal, everyone is a loser:

- Lin not going to the team he wants
- Knicks not getting Lin
- Rockets saddled with impossible contract in year 3 - Lin at $15 million is going to be the worstC contract in the NBA

Fuck this, I'm depressed. Liked how the offseason was going, but that was based on Lin. Not at all optimistic now.

CrushAlot wrote:

Solace wrote:Fuck this. I give up on this management. From what I read, the only reason Lin went looking elsewhere is we made him no offer. He signed the offer sheet with the idea that we were going to match no matter what. Now we're not matching. In this deal, everyone is a loser:

- Lin not going to the team he wants
- Knicks not getting Lin
- Rockets saddled with impossible contract in year 3 - Lin at $15 million is going to be the worstC contract in the NBA

Fuck this, I'm depressed. Liked how the offseason was going, but that was based on Lin. Not at all optimistic now.

I think by letting him negotiate with other teams they gave him a chance to get a bigger contract. I think the Knicks were limited in what they could offer but were allowed to match whatever another team offered. I am not positive about this but I believe I am being accurate.

That's correct. But why not start out with an offer. Then let Lin say it's not enough and let him find the offer sheet. They didn't even try. I don't understand that part of it. Maybe Lin doesn't look elsewhere if we offer him 4 years, $22 million or whatever the max we could've given was.

Solace wrote:Fuck this. I give up on this management. From what I read, the only reason Lin went looking elsewhere is we made him no offer. He signed the offer sheet with the idea that we were going to match no matter what. Now we're not matching. In this deal, everyone is a loser:

- Lin not going to the team he wants
- Knicks not getting Lin
- Rockets saddled with impossible contract in year 3 - Lin at $15 million is going to be the worst contract in the NBA

Fuck this, I'm depressed. Liked how the offseason was going, but that was based on Lin. Not at all optimistic now.

You know you are choosing to see it from a point of view where Lin is simply innocent and has no true responsabiliry on this, right?

Not saying is the right or wrong perspective, but there are many to choose from:

-Lin is a manipulator that took advantage of NYs good will on testing the market to get a good offer, got a promise from NY they would match, approched the Rockets behind the Knicks back to up their offer so he would get more money and a third year so high NY wouldn't match.

-Those who still value Lin chose to substitute Lin with his agent, so Lin is free of guilt.

-Another one has the Rockets devising a master plan of signing Lin, watching reports saying NY would match and giving a new poison pill offer so NY either gives them Lin or sign him to a contract that will make it hard for them to get CP3 down the road.

-The one you seem to have chosen puts all the blame in NY as their evil plan was to humiliate Lin by not offering him a contract first, sending him to test the market expecting him to get low offers and getting him back for free. The Rockets give Lin a first offer and they decide to match. Now, doing the right thing as a class act organization they are, the Rockets masterfully change the offer to a more lucrative one just to make sure they get Lin. Poor innocent Lin, who previously slept on another player's couch, of course accepted the offer without realising he would make it harder for NY to match, which he fully expects. If only he had an economics degree from Harvard! Then of course, the evil and cheap Knicks trade for Felton because they feel insulted by what happened.

There are probably more ways to spin this, but these may be enough for now.

MaTT4281 wrote:Maybe EVERYONE needs the full 3 days to relax. People turning this whole thing into a joke, and it's BasketballJones that's keeping things grounded.

1) WE HAVEN'T DECLINED YET! I spent today listening to Alan Hahn during the Knicks Summer League explaining that no decision has been made one way or the other. That everyone he's talked to thinks it would make sense to match and trade later on.

2) Lin still has question marks around him. He showed a hell of a lot of promise in half a season. But even Landry Fields looked terrific for half a season. He's not a scrub, but he's not an all star (yet) either. The front office has every right to debate this over and go with the decision they feel is best.

3) We've made some solid acquisitions this offseason regardless of what happens to Lin. Even if Lin walks, we're in position to have a strong year this season!

Tuesday night needs to hurry up and get here. We're in for a chaotic 2 days.

Match and trade I'm okay with, but what do we get in return? Amar'e + Tyson + Lin for Dwight Howard + scraps?

Knicksfan wrote:

Solace wrote:Fuck this. I give up on this management. From what I read, the only reason Lin went looking elsewhere is we made him no offer. He signed the offer sheet with the idea that we were going to match no matter what. Now we're not matching. In this deal, everyone is a loser:

- Lin not going to the team he wants
- Knicks not getting Lin
- Rockets saddled with impossible contract in year 3 - Lin at $15 million is going to be the worst contract in the NBA

Fuck this, I'm depressed. Liked how the offseason was going, but that was based on Lin. Not at all optimistic now.

You know you are choosing to see it from a point of view where Lin is simply innocent and has no true responsabiliry on this, right?

Not saying is the right or wrong perspective, but there are many to choose from:

-Lin is a manipulator that took advantage of NYs good will on testing the market to get a good offer, got a promise from NY they would match, approched the Rockets behind the Knicks back to up their offer so he would get more money and a third year so high NY wouldn't match.

-Those who still value Lin chose to substitute Lin with his agent, so Lin is free of guilt.

-Another one has the Rockets devising a master plan of signing Lin, watching reports saying NY would match and giving a new poison pill offer so NY either gives them Lin or sign him to a contract that will make it hard for them to get CP3 down the road.

-The one you seem to have chosen puts all the blame in NY as their evil plan was to humiliate Lin by not offering him a contract first, sending him to test the market expecting him to get low offers and getting him back for free. The Rockets give Lin a first offer and they decide to match. Now, doing the right thing as a class act organization they are, the Rockets masterfully change the offer to a more lucrative one just to make sure they get Lin. Poor innocent Lin, who previously slept on another player's couch, of course accepted the offer without realising he would make it harder for NY to match, which he fully expects. If only he had an economics degree from Harvard! Then of course, the evil and cheap Knicks trade for Felton because they feel insulted by what happened.

There are probably more ways to spin this, but these may be enough for now.

Come on dude. Young kid with dollar signs in his eyes. They got eaten by the Rockets. He just took the biggest contract out there for him. I don't see how anyone can blame him for that. You gamble on that kid. He WON, with nothing but the bench, and in superstar I-can-put-this-whole-franchise-on-my-back fashion. You gamble on that and if **** hits the fan, you move Melo and/or Tyson and suck it up. NO ONE would be mad at the Knicks for choosing Lin and it being a bust. But not many will like this, only you NBA supernerd stat whores.

EDIT - who also sit around and dream about Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, and every other superstar in a Knick uniform. Those guys need to be grown, and we have the opportunity to grow our own for once. This is a damn shame.