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Linsanity just died. The hope and innocence of Lin is gone. He is now just another NBA player. No longer the dream story.
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BigDaddyG
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7/14/2012  3:42 PM
RonRon wrote:Machado is a good player but has much learning to do and is not physically blessed with freakish anything.
He does have heart, work ethic, and will eventually get a shot to become a decent PG, just not sure if it will be in the NBA.
TD was also a gym rat, but Machado is much smarter, and is a pure pass first PG, with good IQ.
Machado is on Houston's summer league, a reason why I want to give him a contract just to spite Morey.

Can he follow in Nash's footsteps? Both are similar in the sense that they are not quick/fast/athletic/ big/long and are both pass first PG's.
He would be a great fit if Lakers want to develop him with a roster spot, but it will take time.
With our lack of roster spots and considering we have many guards, but Iman will be out, he probably won't get any minutes unless SOMEONE gets injured.
But he could learn from Pablo as well, as Kidd, though he doesn't resemble Kidd physically.

If Machado was picked up just to be on our inactive list to practice and develop I wouldn't really mind.
He would be a big project and it would be for a role player so not as much upside as a player like SG/SF Alex Young.
Grunweld is being put in a tough situation, as it could cost JR Smith, future contracts, our future 1st rounder next year, the mini MLE in jeapordy for the next 2 years, and could give us a more cost efficient look that we never once had in New York. $$$ is still money and Dolan is a businessman first, we also can only offer 3 year contracts only, not sure how that works for 1st round picks.
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I saw Machado yesterday and all of the concerns scouts had about him were evident. He's going to have a tough time getting inside the paint on a consistent basis and scoring. But man, can he see the floor.

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7/14/2012  6:22 PM
Papabear, Jeremy had only one contract to sign. I personally, think that he would have signed with us first and to a deal that doesn't mess us up down the road. Unfortunately, that type of deal was never offered by us. It was offered by Houston and then , once they knew that we were matching they carefully adjusted the deal just enough to make it bad. Still worthy, but not optimal. If Lin did not sign , then what? We would offer a proper deal then ourselves? Our organization went a different way than they should have. That's all.
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7/14/2012  6:38 PM
Sometime in early November, Jeremy Lin still receives a standing ovation on opening night at MSG after he makes a driving layup.

Kvetching over someone else's (earned) paycheck is a waste of time.

All that matters is that he cuts his turnovers and hits the open man.

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7/14/2012  7:07 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
RonRon wrote:Machado is a good player but has much learning to do and is not physically blessed with freakish anything.
He does have heart, work ethic, and will eventually get a shot to become a decent PG, just not sure if it will be in the NBA.
TD was also a gym rat, but Machado is much smarter, and is a pure pass first PG, with good IQ.
Machado is on Houston's summer league, a reason why I want to give him a contract just to spite Morey.

Can he follow in Nash's footsteps? Both are similar in the sense that they are not quick/fast/athletic/ big/long and are both pass first PG's.
He would be a great fit if Lakers want to develop him with a roster spot, but it will take time.
With our lack of roster spots and considering we have many guards, but Iman will be out, he probably won't get any minutes unless SOMEONE gets injured.
But he could learn from Pablo as well, as Kidd, though he doesn't resemble Kidd physically.

If Machado was picked up just to be on our inactive list to practice and develop I wouldn't really mind.
He would be a big project and it would be for a role player so not as much upside as a player like SG/SF Alex Young.
Grunweld is being put in a tough situation, as it could cost JR Smith, future contracts, our future 1st rounder next year, the mini MLE in jeapordy for the next 2 years, and could give us a more cost efficient look that we never once had in New York. $$$ is still money and Dolan is a businessman first, we also can only offer 3 year contracts only, not sure how that works for 1st round picks.
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I saw Machado yesterday and all of the concerns scouts had about him were evident. He's going to have a tough time getting inside the paint on a consistent basis and scoring. But man, can he see the floor.

Yeah, that is why I said, it would probably be best for him to learn of someone like Nash.
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7/15/2012  5:01 AM
Knicks piss money for 30 years now we scorn the kid for accepting 5 mm more? The benefit of a Harvard education is now apparent.
Knicks don't match I'll be pissed. All these years we flush money (11mm for Anucha one example) and NOW Dolan won't go all in for Lin?
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7/15/2012  6:29 AM
Something doesn't make sense here. We could have offered line 5 or 6 per year for 4 years, right? That is 20 to 24 million over 4 years. and Houstons offer is 3 years at 25 million. Yeah, there is some difference there but the tax implications are still there for us. If we knew he'd get a bigger offer and he now does, then what is the big deal. Were we expecting it to be just barely bigger?

With all the talk about Lin's contract hurting Dolans pocket, what about just dumping Stat in year 2nd to last or last year of his contract? That seems doable. To sign Felton over Lin just makes me gag. My God, what a bad call (if true).

Lin brought the team together, we better hold onto him. I for one bought league pass just because of Lin. No way do I re-up if he isn't here. I would box score watch till the playoffs and might watch them online then.

I hope we are all wrong about Dolan not matching. Will go down bad in Knicks history...

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7/15/2012  7:18 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/15/2012  7:30 AM
The Plot Thickens

"Lin secretly flew into Las Vegas without informing the Knicks to renegotiate the contract and sign it."

Bad move on the part of Jeremy Lin and his big suits at Williams & Connaly, the Washington DC law firm that represents Bill Clinton. Lin's original agent (who nourished him through leaner times), Roger Montgomery, was kicked to the curb by Lin in a classless move.

"The Knicks had been set to match Lin’s original offer sheet of four years, $28.9 million that had a $19 million guarantee before the Rockets threw a financial curveball that called for a $15 million third year that would have doomed owner James Dolan’s luxury-tax predicament."

Even Dolan, who has more money than God, will not refuse the advice of Grunwald on the cost to performance ratio of Felton vs Lin. Forget the t-shirts - the Knicks need a proven point guard.

"So this likely ended the Knicks’ endless blabber across the past two months, swearing they would bring Lin back and that he was a “big part” of “what we’re trying to do," as coach Mike Woodson put it three days ago."

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7/15/2012  7:23 AM
Looking at the body of Linsanity, it died in Miami.

I guess now some of you guys have to watch the nuggets and rockets play? LOL

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7/15/2012  8:12 AM
Anji wrote:Looking at the body of Linsanity, it died in Miami.

I guess now some of you guys have to watch the nuggets and rockets play? LOL

Really? Lin, who was basically a rookie. had one bad game against the best team in the league and MDA refused to send any help when he struggled. Felton has had a mediocre 7 year career and has been bad for the last year and a half.

Now the joy of my world is in Zion How beautiful if nothing more Than to wait at Zion's door I've never been in love like this before Now let me pray to keep you from The perils that will surely come
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7/15/2012  8:39 AM
VCoug wrote:
Anji wrote:Looking at the body of Linsanity, it died in Miami.

I guess now some of you guys have to watch the nuggets and rockets play? LOL

Really? Lin, who was basically a rookie. had one bad game against the best team in the league and MDA refused to send any help when he struggled. Felton has had a mediocre 7 year career and has been bad for the last year and a half.


He actually had a lot of bad games but made.up for it with some key plays. He was terrible against the Celtics too. However, like you said it was his first year starting. He gets a pass. Seriously
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7/15/2012  8:52 AM
misterearl wrote:The Plot Thickens

"Lin secretly flew into Las Vegas without informing the Knicks to renegotiate the contract and sign it."

Bad move on the part of Jeremy Lin and his big suits at Williams & Connaly, the Washington DC law firm that represents Bill Clinton. Lin's original agent (who nourished him through leaner times), Roger Montgomery, was kicked to the curb by Lin in a classless move.

"The Knicks had been set to match Lin’s original offer sheet of four years, $28.9 million that had a $19 million guarantee before the Rockets threw a financial curveball that called for a $15 million third year that would have doomed owner James Dolan’s luxury-tax predicament."

Even Dolan, who has more money than God, will not refuse the advice of Grunwald on the cost to performance ratio of Felton vs Lin. Forget the t-shirts - the Knicks need a proven point guard.

"So this likely ended the Knicks’ endless blabber across the past two months, swearing they would bring Lin back and that he was a “big part” of “what we’re trying to do," as coach Mike Woodson put it three days ago."

"Three hundred ago, people thought the earth was flat. Imagine what they will think three hours from now" - Tommy Lee Jones, Men In Black

Great post that shows a synopsis of how this Lin debacle has changed in the past three days. You can even see it in the posts of this board, where most fans are confused about what's happening and can't decide whether believe Lin's side, the Rockets side (probably same as Lin's) and the Knicks side.

This is no longer a black and white issue easy to read because both sides have done fishy things to turn this into a messy gray issue. Part of this issue does make Lin look pretty bad and if those facts you highlighted indeed happened, then Linsanity, wether in NY or Houston, has died in the hearts of many.

Grunwald made an amazing move yesterday with the Felton trade. While most thought he was about to be check-mated, he struck back in dramatic fashion. But this whole situation is exhausting and a downer for everybody involved. Doubt a winner comes out of this, as all parties have lost a lot.

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7/15/2012  8:59 AM
Looks like Grunwald went Elway on Lin. At least he turned Tebow into Manning. Glen just got back Felton. Oh well so much for Lin. This has NBA all over it. Rockets have nothing left I wouldn't be surprised if the Knicks had to do this just to increase revenue for the rockets. It's official now the Knicks are running the geriatric ward again.
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7/15/2012  9:09 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:
VCoug wrote:
Anji wrote:Looking at the body of Linsanity, it died in Miami.

I guess now some of you guys have to watch the nuggets and rockets play? LOL

Really? Lin, who was basically a rookie. had one bad game against the best team in the league and MDA refused to send any help when he struggled. Felton has had a mediocre 7 year career and has been bad for the last year and a half.


He actually had a lot of bad games but made.up for it with some key plays. He was terrible against the Celtics too. However, like you said it was his first year starting. He gets a pass. Seriously

I expect Felton to average what he has always averaged, 14 pts, 7 ast, 42 %.

And I expect Lin to average about the same here, because it was pretty much what he did when his usage rating wasn't apporaching Derrick Rose Levels.

Knicks don't need Lin.

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7/15/2012  9:13 AM
If Felton starts, he will probably give us about 13 points on 12 shots a game (argh!) with average rebounding, passing, and steals.
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7/15/2012  9:16 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:If Felton starts, he will probably give us about 13 points on 12 shots a game (argh!) with average rebounding, passing, and steals.

And mediocre defense.

Now the joy of my world is in Zion How beautiful if nothing more Than to wait at Zion's door I've never been in love like this before Now let me pray to keep you from The perils that will surely come
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7/15/2012  9:18 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/15/2012  9:18 AM
VCoug wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:If Felton starts, he will probably give us about 13 points on 12 shots a game (argh!) with average rebounding, passing, and steals.

And mediocre defense.


If a guy who's been mediocre for 7 years, and really doesn't have any strengths to his game, is worth $10 mil, I don't get how a promising 2 year player with many strengths is not worth $18 mil.
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7/15/2012  9:23 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
VCoug wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:If Felton starts, he will probably give us about 13 points on 12 shots a game (argh!) with average rebounding, passing, and steals.

And mediocre defense.


If a guy who's been mediocre for 7 years, and really doesn't have any strengths to his game, is worth $10 mil, I don't get how a promising 2 year player with many strengths is not worth $18 mil.

I'm convinced this is Dolan throwing a hissyfit because Lin didn't show him the proper deference this offseason. We're repeating the same mistakes we made 10 years ago.

Now the joy of my world is in Zion How beautiful if nothing more Than to wait at Zion's door I've never been in love like this before Now let me pray to keep you from The perils that will surely come
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7/15/2012  9:24 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/15/2012  9:29 AM
VCoug wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
VCoug wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:If Felton starts, he will probably give us about 13 points on 12 shots a game (argh!) with average rebounding, passing, and steals.

And mediocre defense.


If a guy who's been mediocre for 7 years, and really doesn't have any strengths to his game, is worth $10 mil, I don't get how a promising 2 year player with many strengths is not worth $18 mil.

I'm convinced this is Dolan throwing a hissyfit because Lin didn't show him the proper deference this offseason. We're repeating the same mistakes we made 10 years ago.


I think you can get what close enough to what Felton gives you from a PG at the league min. Of these three, three-year deals, I think Felton's is the worst buy: 10 mil for Felton, 18 mil for Fields, 25 mil for Lin.
For his position, Fields has the 2nd best 2 point %, the 5th best rebounding per min, and 7th best steals. I'm trying but I can't find anything that Felton is good at for his position.
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7/15/2012  9:28 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
VCoug wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
VCoug wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:If Felton starts, he will probably give us about 13 points on 12 shots a game (argh!) with average rebounding, passing, and steals.

And mediocre defense.


If a guy who's been mediocre for 7 years, and really doesn't have any strengths to his game, is worth $10 mil, I don't get how a promising 2 year player with many strengths is not worth $18 mil.

I'm convinced this is Dolan throwing a hissyfit because Lin didn't show him the proper deference this offseason. We're repeating the same mistakes we made 10 years ago.


I think you can get what close enough to what Felton gives you from a PG at the league min. Of these three, three-year deals, I think Felton's is the worst buy: 10 mil for Felton, 18 mil for Fields, 25 mil for Lin.

Yeah, Felton doesn't excel in any phase of the game. Also, there are reports that Felton's deal isn't $10M over 3 years but $18M over 4 years.

Now the joy of my world is in Zion How beautiful if nothing more Than to wait at Zion's door I've never been in love like this before Now let me pray to keep you from The perils that will surely come
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7/15/2012  9:30 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/15/2012  9:30 AM
VCoug wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
VCoug wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
VCoug wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:If Felton starts, he will probably give us about 13 points on 12 shots a game (argh!) with average rebounding, passing, and steals.

And mediocre defense.


If a guy who's been mediocre for 7 years, and really doesn't have any strengths to his game, is worth $10 mil, I don't get how a promising 2 year player with many strengths is not worth $18 mil.

I'm convinced this is Dolan throwing a hissyfit because Lin didn't show him the proper deference this offseason. We're repeating the same mistakes we made 10 years ago.


I think you can get what close enough to what Felton gives you from a PG at the league min. Of these three, three-year deals, I think Felton's is the worst buy: 10 mil for Felton, 18 mil for Fields, 25 mil for Lin.

Yeah, Felton doesn't excel in any phase of the game. Also, there are reports that Felton's deal isn't $10M over 3 years but $18M over 4 years.


Are you serious? Wow. Note I added some detail to my previous message after your replied.
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