holfresh wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

holfresh wrote:Knicks are freaking out thinking themselves..Sign Felton for the Lle, Bring back Lin, Try to get Ray Allen for the MLE, add pieces with vet min, mix with water..Not hard guys, come on..

allen is going to teh heat, felton who knows what he can do thsi time around

Allen is turning down 6 per for 2 years from Boston and an MLR for the Heat's offer of 3 mil???

IrishKnickFan wrote:

MSG3 wrote:This is the right move for where our roster is. Don't like losing Shumpert but if Nash stays healthy this could put us in the finals.

You are right. I mean i like shump but he will be a non factor next year and im not ok with possibly going to teh secodn round. We are a win now team unlike the Thunder who have many years. yes nash is older but he is always in good shape and fufills our biggest weakness which is a pg that can get the ball to amare,melo,novak. Also he will help lin develop quicker i feel

But at the end of the day it cripples us 2 years from now, when we'll be talking about the Knicks enormous payroll problems with Melo, STAT, Chandler, Nash, and Lin. Long term I guess you start thinking amnesty on Nash or Amare in case of injury, but all 5 will be in contract for the next 3 years, Melo has a player option in the 3rd, Lin will have a balloon payment year 3. Looking at around $82 Mill for those 5 guys alone in 2014/2015. I just hate this is not a long-term solution, only another win now, make money $$ event that might only bring in the latter.

If this deal happens and includes just ONE draft pick in the next 5 years with none in return, I might have to bow out as a Knicks fan

JohnStarksFan wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

MSG3 wrote:This is the right move for where our roster is. Don't like losing Shumpert but if Nash stays healthy this could put us in the finals.

You are right. I mean i like shump but he will be a non factor next year and im not ok with possibly going to teh secodn round. We are a win now team unlike the Thunder who have many years. yes nash is older but he is always in good shape and fufills our biggest weakness which is a pg that can get the ball to amare,melo,novak. Also he will help lin develop quicker i feel

But at the end of the day it cripples us 2 years from now, when we'll be talking about the Knicks enormous payroll problems with Melo, STAT, Chandler, Nash, and Lin. Long term I guess you start thinking amnesty on Nash or Amare in case of injury, but all 5 will be in contract for the next 3 years, Melo has a player option in the 3rd, Lin will have a balloon payment year 3. Looking at around $82 Mill for those 3 guys alone in 2014/2015. I just hate this is not a long-term solution, only another win now, make money $$ event that might only bring in the latter.

If this deal happens and includes just ONE draft pick in the next 5 years with none in return, I might have to bow out as a Knicks fan

crzymdups wrote:Amar'e is 29. Tyson is 29. Melo is 28. This is a win now team. I hope to god Shumpert is a Knick next season, but I completely understand the logic of adding Nash while keeping Lin.

Nash / Lin
JR or Shump / Fields (Eff it, match fields)
Melo / Novak
Amar'e / Jeffries (i hope)
Tyson / Camby ($3M mle)

Lob City East. Let's go.

Poor defense in the backcourt and wrong coach. Thanks for playing, try again in a year when CP3 is available and we trade Nash for him.

JohnStarksFan wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

MSG3 wrote:This is the right move for where our roster is. Don't like losing Shumpert but if Nash stays healthy this could put us in the finals.

You are right. I mean i like shump but he will be a non factor next year and im not ok with possibly going to teh secodn round. We are a win now team unlike the Thunder who have many years. yes nash is older but he is always in good shape and fufills our biggest weakness which is a pg that can get the ball to amare,melo,novak. Also he will help lin develop quicker i feel

But at the end of the day it cripples us 2 years from now, when we'll be talking about the Knicks enormous payroll problems with Melo, STAT, Chandler, Nash, and Lin. Long term I guess you start thinking amnesty on Nash or Amare in case of injury, but all 5 will be in contract for the next 3 years, Melo has a player option in the 3rd, Lin will have a balloon payment year 3. Looking at around $82 Mill for those 5 guys alone in 2014/2015. I just hate this is not a long-term solution, only another win now, make money $$ event that might only bring in the latter.

If this deal happens and includes just ONE draft pick in the next 5 years with none in return, I might have to bow out as a Knicks fan

What AMNESTY? You need to brush up on your CBA rules..

VCoug wrote:Someone needs to sit Nash down and say this, "Your 38 years old and this is probably the last contract you'll sign as a player. You need to decide what's more important: playing for a championship or getting paid. If all you're looking for is to get paid then go spend the rest of your career toiling away in Toronto. If you want to try and win a championship here's what we can offer you. We will not offer you more if it means including Shumpert in a sign and trade; he's one of the few players in the league who can lock down an opposing team's pg, sg, and many sf. This is our offer, take it or leave it."

TheGame wrote:The guy I would not give up is Harrellson. Shump is not doing anything next year, and lets face it. The kid was a gunner with uber athletic ability, but if the knee injury robs him of his lateral quickness, is he really much better than other SG we could get on minium deals. His athletism is his main skill and there is a big question mark as to whether he still has it.

Harrellson should real promise as a pick and pop guy and as a rebounder and banger. I would hate to just give him away. I would stand pat at given up one but not both.

Disagree, knee surgery today isn't like yesteryear...Shump may not be ready next season but guys are coming back stronger than ever across every sport...Harrelson barely played during the 18-6 run..Knicks aren't winning without strong perimeter defense and interior defense, not matter how many gunners they bring in...

Bonn1997 wrote:You can't get a guy still playing at a Hall-of-Fame level for free. Shump is just an injured role player. This is still a steal.

Word !