mrKnickShot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:Yes, i'm sure he got Lin off waivers with Linsanity in mind. He had that planned out brilliantly.

yeah, he also probably didn't plan for tyson to win defensive player of the year so we can write that move off, too. also, he probably didn't expect novak to shoot 47% from 3pt range, so that doesn't count either.

when you get right down to it, why hasn't glen grunwald been fired yet?

The Tyson / Billups move was/is awful. I don't care how shortsighted everyone chooses to be.

huh? okay, i'm clearly posting in bizarro land. do we take into account the fact that billups missed almost the entire season and might retire at age 35? and that tyson won defensive player of the year at age 29 and is a knick for three more seasons at least?

do we take into account that the knicks were the FIFTH BEST DEFENSIVE TEAM IN THE LEAGUE with tyson?

or does that not matter?

fire grunwald! waive tyson! waaaaah.

You clearly missed my point and reverted to Bizzaro world.

Tyson cost the Billups amnesty which disabled us from being able to use that on Amare which they would have clearly done.

No! Tyson is not worth Amare and Tyson's contracts - not even close

And, in hindsight, they would never have made that move. NEVER!

in hindsight, i'm glad you don't run the team.

crzymdups wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:Yes, i'm sure he got Lin off waivers with Linsanity in mind. He had that planned out brilliantly.

yeah, he also probably didn't plan for tyson to win defensive player of the year so we can write that move off, too. also, he probably didn't expect novak to shoot 47% from 3pt range, so that doesn't count either.

when you get right down to it, why hasn't glen grunwald been fired yet?

The Tyson / Billups move was/is awful. I don't care how shortsighted everyone chooses to be.

huh? okay, i'm clearly posting in bizarro land. do we take into account the fact that billups missed almost the entire season and might retire at age 35? and that tyson won defensive player of the year at age 29 and is a knick for three more seasons at least?

do we take into account that the knicks were the FIFTH BEST DEFENSIVE TEAM IN THE LEAGUE with tyson?

or does that not matter?

fire grunwald! waive tyson! waaaaah.

You clearly missed my point and reverted to Bizzaro world.

Tyson cost the Billups amnesty which disabled us from being able to use that on Amare which they would have clearly done.

No! Tyson is not worth Amare and Tyson's contracts - not even close

And, in hindsight, they would never have made that move. NEVER!

in hindsight, i'm glad you don't run the team.

I'm sure you are because I know how much you love Amare and how sad you would have been if he was jetted

mrKnickShot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:Yes, i'm sure he got Lin off waivers with Linsanity in mind. He had that planned out brilliantly.

yeah, he also probably didn't plan for tyson to win defensive player of the year so we can write that move off, too. also, he probably didn't expect novak to shoot 47% from 3pt range, so that doesn't count either.

when you get right down to it, why hasn't glen grunwald been fired yet?

The Tyson / Billups move was/is awful. I don't care how shortsighted everyone chooses to be.

huh? okay, i'm clearly posting in bizarro land. do we take into account the fact that billups missed almost the entire season and might retire at age 35? and that tyson won defensive player of the year at age 29 and is a knick for three more seasons at least?

do we take into account that the knicks were the FIFTH BEST DEFENSIVE TEAM IN THE LEAGUE with tyson?

or does that not matter?

fire grunwald! waive tyson! waaaaah.

You clearly missed my point and reverted to Bizzaro world.

Tyson cost the Billups amnesty which disabled us from being able to use that on Amare which they would have clearly done.

No! Tyson is not worth Amare and Tyson's contracts - not even close

And, in hindsight, they would never have made that move. NEVER!

in hindsight, i'm glad you don't run the team.

I'm sure you are because I know how much you love Amare and how sad you would have been if he was jetted

i'd be sad if this team still had a gaping hole at center as opposed to an olympian world champion defensive player of the year who completely changed the defensive culture of the entire team.

crzymdups wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:Why is Woodson genius? LOL. Ah yes, his patented iso-offense is pure genius. Give the ball to your best player and isolate him. Nobody in the NBA has thought of this as an option.

JR Smith genius? Did you watch him play at all? Then again, you're the one who was fighting tooth and nail for Jamal Crawford to sign here. The same Crawford who's been an awful shooter most of his career and shot 38% last season with the Blazers. Jr Smith is a more athletic Crawford but dumber. There wasn't much genius in signing him. I don't even want him back.

But yes, please tell me how great Knicks brass has been. The best GM to come through here in the past decade is Donnie and he was run out of town for Dolan yes men. And that's the bottom line because the 11th President of the United States said so.

really? tell me about donnie's moves. tell me about how he gave zach randolph away 19 months before lebron james could be a free agent and then zach randolph became one of the most valuable players in the western conference. tell me about the jordan hill draft pick that was so bad donnie had to trade the 2012 first round pick just to clear hill off the cap. tell me about all the players donnie passed over for jordan hill. jrue holiday. ty lawson. brandon jennings. tell me about the david lee trade that netted us.... what exactly? nothing. tell me about how donnie laid down and retired when dolan took the reigns on the melo deal. please, tell me all these stories about donnie. also be sure to tell me about donnie's coaching hire mike d'antoni and how he was a perfect fit for new york. tell me how he gave amar'e 5yrs $100M when no one else offered more than 3yrs.

then i'll tell you about glen grunwald and how mike woodson went 18-6 after d'antoni farted his way to 18-24. i'll tell you that jr smith played defense and is a great player when he's not forced to be the second option in the offense due to injury. how tyson chandler won defensive player of the year. how the knicks had the fifth best defense in the league, their best mark since van gundy quit. how the jeremy lin signing was the kind of signing that people around here have been begging the knicks to make for years. ditto novak.

walsh changed the culture. he was a breath of fresh air after isiah. i like him a lot. but his record here is over-inflated by a lot. grunwald's first season was better than any year walsh had as knicks gm.

This is complete mumbo jumbo. Randolph was trash for us and the Clippers turned around and traded him again after one season for Quentin Richardson. Nobody wanted Randolph. He had a bad name in the league and then somehow overcame that with the Grizzlies. He's still the same black hole of a player. He just finds himself surrounded by very good players for the first time in his career.

Jordan Hill wasn't a good pick. That and the D'Antoni signing were his biggest mistakes.

David Lee was going to leave our team regardless and we got back young players who still had potential at the time. Azubuike ended up never playing due to an injury and Randolph was a dud while Turiaf was a sparkplug. He got back something of value where otherwise he would have gotten absolutely nothing for Lee. Nothing wrong this move at all.

Amare in the first year of his contract was amazing and lived up to the money. We had to give more years to attract someone here after years of losing. I never had a problem with that thought process. Everything was gravy until Carmelo showed up and spoiled the party for everyone.

Stop with the Woodson 18-6 crap please. 24 games does not make a coach. The guy is mediocre his entire coaching career, especially in the playoffs. Hawks fans laughed at this hire. The guy is a mediocre coach and will not improve this team as much as you think he will. He's the defensive version of Mike D'Antoni, except his defense relies on switching and he only has one play on offense.

More fluff for Mr. Grunwald. I want to read how he is the savior of this franchise. Maybe he needs a statue in front of MSG before the start of the season.

JamesKPolk wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:Why is Woodson genius? LOL. Ah yes, his patented iso-offense is pure genius. Give the ball to your best player and isolate him. Nobody in the NBA has thought of this as an option.

JR Smith genius? Did you watch him play at all? Then again, you're the one who was fighting tooth and nail for Jamal Crawford to sign here. The same Crawford who's been an awful shooter most of his career and shot 38% last season with the Blazers. Jr Smith is a more athletic Crawford but dumber. There wasn't much genius in signing him. I don't even want him back.

But yes, please tell me how great Knicks brass has been. The best GM to come through here in the past decade is Donnie and he was run out of town for Dolan yes men. And that's the bottom line because the 11th President of the United States said so.

really? tell me about donnie's moves. tell me about how he gave zach randolph away 19 months before lebron james could be a free agent and then zach randolph became one of the most valuable players in the western conference. tell me about the jordan hill draft pick that was so bad donnie had to trade the 2012 first round pick just to clear hill off the cap. tell me about all the players donnie passed over for jordan hill. jrue holiday. ty lawson. brandon jennings. tell me about the david lee trade that netted us.... what exactly? nothing. tell me about how donnie laid down and retired when dolan took the reigns on the melo deal. please, tell me all these stories about donnie. also be sure to tell me about donnie's coaching hire mike d'antoni and how he was a perfect fit for new york. tell me how he gave amar'e 5yrs $100M when no one else offered more than 3yrs.

then i'll tell you about glen grunwald and how mike woodson went 18-6 after d'antoni farted his way to 18-24. i'll tell you that jr smith played defense and is a great player when he's not forced to be the second option in the offense due to injury. how tyson chandler won defensive player of the year. how the knicks had the fifth best defense in the league, their best mark since van gundy quit. how the jeremy lin signing was the kind of signing that people around here have been begging the knicks to make for years. ditto novak.

walsh changed the culture. he was a breath of fresh air after isiah. i like him a lot. but his record here is over-inflated by a lot. grunwald's first season was better than any year walsh had as knicks gm.

This is complete mumbo jumbo. Randolph was trash for us and the Clippers turned around and traded him again after one season for Quentin Richardson. Nobody wanted Randolph. He had a bad name in the league and then somehow overcame that with the Grizzlies. He's still the same black hole of a player. He just finds himself surrounded by very good players for the first time in his career.

Jordan Hill wasn't a good pick. That and the D'Antoni signing were his biggest mistakes.

David Lee was going to leave our team regardless and we got back young players who still had potential at the time. Azubuike ended up never playing due to an injury and Randolph was a dud while Turiaf was a sparkplug. He got back something of value where otherwise he would have gotten absolutely nothing for Lee. Nothing wrong this move at all.

Amare in the first year of his contract was amazing and lived up to the money. We had to give more years to attract someone here after years of losing. I never had a problem with that thought process. Everything was gravy until Carmelo showed up and spoiled the party for everyone.

Stop with the Woodson 18-6 crap please. 24 games does not make a coach. The guy is mediocre his entire coaching career, especially in the playoffs. Hawks fans laughed at this hire. The guy is a mediocre coach and will not improve this team as much as you think he will. He's the defensive version of Mike D'Antoni, except his defense relies on switching and he only has one play on offense.

More fluff for Mr. Grunwald. I want to read how he is the savior of this franchise. Maybe he needs a statue in front of MSG before the start of the season.

i didn't say statue, but you said nothing to write home about. knicks are in better position heading into next season than they have been in a while. grunwald doesn't get all the credit, but he gets a fair amount.

crzymdups wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:Why is Woodson genius? LOL. Ah yes, his patented iso-offense is pure genius. Give the ball to your best player and isolate him. Nobody in the NBA has thought of this as an option.

JR Smith genius? Did you watch him play at all? Then again, you're the one who was fighting tooth and nail for Jamal Crawford to sign here. The same Crawford who's been an awful shooter most of his career and shot 38% last season with the Blazers. Jr Smith is a more athletic Crawford but dumber. There wasn't much genius in signing him. I don't even want him back.

But yes, please tell me how great Knicks brass has been. The best GM to come through here in the past decade is Donnie and he was run out of town for Dolan yes men. And that's the bottom line because the 11th President of the United States said so.

really? tell me about donnie's moves. tell me about how he gave zach randolph away 19 months before lebron james could be a free agent and then zach randolph became one of the most valuable players in the western conference. tell me about the jordan hill draft pick that was so bad donnie had to trade the 2012 first round pick just to clear hill off the cap. tell me about all the players donnie passed over for jordan hill. jrue holiday. ty lawson. brandon jennings. tell me about the david lee trade that netted us.... what exactly? nothing. tell me about how donnie laid down and retired when dolan took the reigns on the melo deal. please, tell me all these stories about donnie. also be sure to tell me about donnie's coaching hire mike d'antoni and how he was a perfect fit for new york. tell me how he gave amar'e 5yrs $100M when no one else offered more than 3yrs.

then i'll tell you about glen grunwald and how mike woodson went 18-6 after d'antoni farted his way to 18-24. i'll tell you that jr smith played defense and is a great player when he's not forced to be the second option in the offense due to injury. how tyson chandler won defensive player of the year. how the knicks had the fifth best defense in the league, their best mark since van gundy quit. how the jeremy lin signing was the kind of signing that people around here have been begging the knicks to make for years. ditto novak.

walsh changed the culture. he was a breath of fresh air after isiah. i like him a lot. but his record here is over-inflated by a lot. grunwald's first season was better than any year walsh had as knicks gm.

JamesKPolk wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:He did not draft Shumpert and Jorts.

he was working for the knicks when they were drafted and took over the interim role like 8 days after the draft. also, two months before the draft everyone on the team knew donnie wouldn't be back.

you really think he wasn't leading the draft last year? ok.

Yes, I really think he wasn't leading the draft. Donnie came out and said the picks were his decisions and his final moves with the team. But let's give Saint Grunwald all the credit, even the ones he doesn't deserve.

Donnie also said he thanked Isiah for his help in signing Amare, and the Melo trade was all his.

You can't pick and choose what to believe.

What we do know is Grunwald was the heir apparent, and he's been with the club for well over 5 years.

crzymdups wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:Yes, i'm sure he got Lin off waivers with Linsanity in mind. He had that planned out brilliantly.

yeah, he also probably didn't plan for tyson to win defensive player of the year so we can write that move off, too. also, he probably didn't expect novak to shoot 47% from 3pt range, so that doesn't count either.

when you get right down to it, why hasn't glen grunwald been fired yet?

The Tyson / Billups move was/is awful. I don't care how shortsighted everyone chooses to be.

huh? okay, i'm clearly posting in bizarro land. do we take into account the fact that billups missed almost the entire season and might retire at age 35? and that tyson won defensive player of the year at age 29 and is a knick for three more seasons at least?

do we take into account that the knicks were the FIFTH BEST DEFENSIVE TEAM IN THE LEAGUE with tyson?

or does that not matter?

fire grunwald! waive tyson! waaaaah.

I think what he is trying to say is that using he amnesty on Billups was a bad idea and I agree. Getting Tyson on the other hand was a really good idea. Now if we had amnestied Amare instead we would have been in a hell of a position.

I think Grunwald was opportunistic and clearly was thinkin outside the box. So I give him credit for that, but wish he had gone the whole hog and amnestied Amare instead. I am not saying Amare is a horrible player but with his injury issues he is clearly on the decline and his performance as a Knick has been well below what is expected of a Max player. And I think Walsh is somewhat to blame for giving Amare that much money, I always maintained we should have offered him $75-80M for guranteed 5.

Lin was a desparation move that just played out, NO ONE saw that coming - Grunwald get no credit for that. He was in the right place at the right time and he had no other choice.

Novak was great pickup that fit MDA's offense perfectly and it maximized his output. Now that we have gone to an offense without a system, Novak will no longer be that useful of even that much of a threat. Woody refuses to call plays or get role players involved in the offense, unless he is down 0-2 in the playoffs etc. Bu for the situation at hand (MDA offense) Novak was a great.

I'm more concerned with our star's diminishing returns than I am about Nash's. He almost took a bunch of scrubs to the playoffs last season, imagine what he could do with the Knicks.

Right now its about taking the talent we have as far as we can, while we can, unless you believe that they have 4-5 years to contend with this lineup, I don't.

With Nash on the squad, Stat won't have to work as hard to get a good look. He will get Tyson a lot of easy buckets. One of the best scorers in the league in Melo will have one of the all time best PGs (who can still play at a high level) setting him up.

You are giving up some defense with Nash, but good team defense should help with that problem. Nash has 2-3 good years left in him IMO. That's around what Melo/Tyson/Stat have left as possible contenders. I would worry more about their health than Nash's age and health at this point. We will have to give up some youth, but maximizing the talent we have now is more important IMO. Nash will bring out the best in Stat/Melo/Tyson.

crzymdups wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:Yes, i'm sure he got Lin off waivers with Linsanity in mind. He had that planned out brilliantly.

yeah, he also probably didn't plan for tyson to win defensive player of the year so we can write that move off, too. also, he probably didn't expect novak to shoot 47% from 3pt range, so that doesn't count either.

when you get right down to it, why hasn't glen grunwald been fired yet?

The Tyson / Billups move was/is awful. I don't care how shortsighted everyone chooses to be.

huh? okay, i'm clearly posting in bizarro land. do we take into account the fact that billups missed almost the entire season and might retire at age 35? and that tyson won defensive player of the year at age 29 and is a knick for three more seasons at least?

do we take into account that the knicks were the FIFTH BEST DEFENSIVE TEAM IN THE LEAGUE with tyson?

or does that not matter?

fire grunwald! waive tyson! waaaaah.

I think what he is trying to say is that using he amnesty on Billups was a bad idea and I agree. Getting Tyson on the other hand was a really good idea. Now if we had amnestied Amare instead we would have been in a hell of a position.

I think Grunwald was opportunistic and clearly was thinkin outside the box. So I give him credit for that, but wish he had gone the whole hog and amnestied Amare instead. I am not saying Amare is a horrible player but with his injury issues he is clearly on the decline and his performance as a Knick has been well below what is expected of a Max player. And I think Walsh is somewhat to blame for giving Amare that much money, I always maintained we should have offered him $75-80M for guranteed 5.

Lin was a desparation move that just played out, NO ONE saw that coming - Grunwald get no credit for that. He was in the right place at the right time and he had no other choice.

Novak was great pickup that fit MDA's offense perfectly and it maximized his output. Now that we have gone to an offense without a system, Novak will no longer be that useful of even that much of a threat. Woody refuses to call plays or get role players involved in the offense, unless he is down 0-2 in the playoffs etc. Bu for the situation at hand (MDA offense) Novak was a great.

huh? look up novak's numbers under woodson when you get a chance. he was better and got more playing time than under d'antoni.

nice to know grunwald gets no credit for it. i'm sure if the knicks had waived lin and linsanity happened somewhere else grunwald would get plenty of blame.

and it's complete hindsight horse manure to say you would have amnestied amar'e over billups a year later.

Before saying "horse manure", you should check if one actually stated their position at the point of impact.

And please let us not forget that it left us with Toney Fukkin Douglass as our starting PG before the Lin miracle. Or, did GG already know how Lin would turn out?