Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Amare has played like crap for 1 1/2 of the 2 years we've had him.

Which coincides with the same amount of time we had a PG who know how to run the pick and roll....

So I think that we can all infer that Amare sux ass unless he is on a team that runs the pick and roll predominately. WONDERFUL! What a pity that he never worked on his arsenal so that he is not so one dimensional.

when that dimension gets you deep into the playoffs and has you as one of the league's best frontcourt scorers in the game you want to stick with what works.

I will take one dimensional if we are in the conference finals next year just fine.

Ah so if we revert to a one dimensional offense with our current roster we will probable be a perennial conference finals team, ay?

Since he was playing with the best PG at running the PNR of all time that means it should and must still work perfectly even without Nash.

But hey it worked with Felton for a bit when Amare flew out of the gates for his new team until he hit a brick wall.

Do you realize that his explosion has never been the same since the first half of last year? How about that his jump shot which was deadly is in Tahiti?

It's funny how you give him a pass for everything that he does. Hey he punch a glass thingy - so what you never got frustrated in your corp job and punched something? Well I am not a basketball player or a heart surgeon. Nobody cares if I tear up my hand and nobody is paying me 20 million a year to use them.

I guess that's why you have hated Melo so much. He takes away from Super AmarIO.

All that being said, I do think that Amare can benefit from a good PG since he can no longer create his own shot and has zero post game. So, if he comes in shape, does not punch anything, and has no family issues, we might get lucky.

take Melo's dick far enough out of your ear to listen to what I say and I will respond to your posts.

I actually like Melo and Amare the exactly the same

If Amare's balls were not blocking you eyes, you would see what everyone knows.

And, BuLL Sh1t you like them the same. You were ragging on Melo all year but not on Amare - who are you fooling? Nobody. You have been softer on Melo lately and thats sweet of you, probably makes it easier to defend Amare with this defense of "I (now) like them both the same and they both have their shortcomings. Well they are not the same at all. Melo can be selfish but is at the top of his game and unstoppable while anyone can stop amare and he heading towards the bottom of his game.

They will both be here next year and they must work better together if we have a chance at doing anything but Amare has to show that he is still viable and it all starts with that jumper which is quite baffling that its gone.

Amare and Melo have done nothing worth defending as Knicks. It's funny that you two are doing the exact same c*ck-sucking, just with different players.

i surprised at you bonn

fishmike wrote:Go look at the elite teams and their best scorers. Lebron average 53% this year and 50% in the playoffs.

Get it through your heads... we are not riding Melo's 45% to the promise land.

We need to establish high % scoring and Amare is a frontcourt guy who gives you over 50%

Yes he was hurt. Yes he had a bad year. Yes he needs to come back strong. I understand all that, but we are not improving by shipping him out for any of the donkees I see in these daily trade Amare threads.

Talk about his poor defense all you want. He's a 25/8 frontcourt player who scores at 54% for his career, and in his first year with Knicks showed he could do that without an MVP PG. He also led the NBA in 4th qtr scoring for much of that season. He's PROVEN he can win playoff series as the #1 scoring option.

You can rip apart all his shortcomings all you want, but go give me a list of guys who average 25/8 on more than 50%. Thats going to be a very short and small list. Thats because those players are very rare and scoring that volume at that % is a HUGE commoditiy.

If the Knicks are going to be elite we need good PG play, but we also need this guy back and being one of, if not THE primary scoring options. Melo is an amazing finisher. We will not be an elite team running the offense through Melo. We can be an elite team letting Melo finish every possesion that our high % frontcourt guys dont.

Its far more probably that this guy comes back healthy and returns to all star form than we get anything good for him in a trade.
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Buddy yo so full of junk its amazing this post got 45+ responses

Sounds like a M.D.A speaking about Amare but lets leave good Mike out of this conversation he isnt here & MDA will coach again someday perhaps soon

Amare and his bad back ? and competing you mentioned ? Your head is more in a CLOUD than Cloud technology itself

Amare of the old Fish isnt coming back
Lets get that thru your head first !

Amare of today is a shell of the superstar and yes Amare on a very very good Knick team can push with the best
This knick team is far from what it needs right now which is versatile and younger players with 2-3 way skills which Amare has none it!

You want to tell me a what a barely < 8 rebounder a game Forward with a bad back great attitude and yrs past and he aint 30 ? is foolish to mention him in
trades you're joking.

Fact is no one is going to take Amare easy so keep your shirt on about lameness of Amare trade props which 1/2 or more of NY fans want Amare out
as mnuch as You want & perhaps the majority wants MELO Anthony gone

Keep right on Fish with the mediocrity thinking 8th place finish and guest/sweep appearances & a Win once in awhile in Playoffs
satisfies your thirst as a Knicks fan you'll be alone on that matter for a long long time

Knicks are tryin to improve, if Amare is a piece of that You, me & no one can do Bo-diddly of Trade talks come up for an often hurt
but skilled PF /C whom hasnt or wont have the limelight you' seek here in NY for Stoudemire.

Knicks be crazy not to listen to any chatters about amare, getting players getting healthy pieces and getting rid of bad back for life (its ashame but fact)
and getting good in NY as a Basketball team

Phoenix Suns is renknowned for having 1 best pro staff medical sports persons and they deemed Amare health/back too risky then
we see same thing here in 3 yrs which Amare been healthy close to 1 1/2 yrs at most.

Amare trade talks possibilities whom wouldnt listen ? Knicks arent going to give him away and it wont be easy if it ever happens.

For you to bias your opinions on whom say what or whom is stupid on board about such topics is a joke itself,
opinions that what pro sports and life is, No one's is less or more important & if didnt like the Amare' posts then why waste your time
responding about them ? eh ?

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:
Amare and Melo have done nothing worth defending as Knicks. It's funny that you two are doing the exact same c*ck-sucking, just with different players.

Amar'e has been here one full season, and one lockout shortened season (in which he was hampered by a back injury).

Melo has been here one half season, and one lock out shortened season.

What exactly do you think they should have accomplished in that time frame? First season they made the playoffs, before Amar'e injured his back, second season they made the playoffs, with no Lin, and season ending injuries to BD and Shump- how exactly were they supposed to beat the 2012 nba champions with no PG?

I'll tell you what Amar'e has done that's worth defending- he helped make us relevant again. That first half of last season was amazing, he was fantastic. Thanks to him we got Melo and Tyson Chandler. Then he came down with a back injury (reports said that maybe his bulging disc started last season when he started declining in the second half of the season).

What has Melo achieved with us? Erm- HE GOT US INTO THE FRICKIN' PLAYOFFS! How have people forgotten this already?!?! He put this team on his back with no Lin and no Amar'e,and had an amazing stretch of games that got us into the playoffs. And now for some reason haters have erased this from history, and instead focus on attacking him for his playoff performance- we didn't lose the playoff series because of Melo, we lost because of injuries to Lin, BD, Shump, Amar'e and JR Smith playing like crap.

Up to now Amar'e and Melo have accomplished what I realistically expected (sorry if you thought they should have won 2 championships by this point, but that's your ridiculous overly high expectations). Now the next 3 seasons is where they'll define their legacy with us.

The team has been .470 in games Melo has played in. Making the playoffs isn't an accomplishment anyway - more than half the teams make the playoffs. It just means you're not well below average.

Jmpasq wrote:The top of Melos game is much better then Amare its not even close. Amare has lost his physical skills. Hopefully he can get a slight back to the basket game and hit his 17 foot jump shot. If he can give this team 18-8 by doing those things we should be good. If he cant hit that jump shot the Knicks arent getting out of the first round the length of his contract

guns newing wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:The top of Melos game is much better then Amare its not even close. Amare has lost his physical skills. Hopefully he can get a slight back to the basket game and hit his 17 foot jump shot. If he can give this team 18-8 by doing those things we should be good. If he cant hit that jump shot the Knicks aren't getting out of the first round the length of his contract

If he does put up 18-8, I'm not sure he's helping us. I think he gives up about that much too.

he gives up about 25 & 12 so it would be nice if can get get somewhat close to those numbers so it cancels out. or at least try to play D and rebound

Yeah unfortunately the days of Amare having a positive impact on every game is over

Vmart wrote:Amare and Chandler can learn a lot because I have never seen a move that they do like Olajuwon. Take notes and master the moves.

Best case scenario: Tyson and Amare convince Hakeem to come out retirement and play for us!

It amazes me how much skill the lesser offensive players have in practice but yet lack the confidence of displaying it in a real game. I said before but I think to many players get boxed into a certain role and never develop like they should. Some of that is on the players and injuries but I think that coaching staffs lack the foresight to develop players. That includes AAU too. AAu should really be ran totally different IMO.

yellowboy90 wrote:Can someone get Hakeem on the Ny bench. Sign him up as a coach. I also would hope Melo will train with him.

It amazes me how much skill the lesser offensive players have in practice but yet lack the confidence of displaying it in a real game. I said before but I think to many players get boxed into a certain role and never develop like they should. Some of that is on the players and injuries but I think that coaching staffs lack the foresight to develop players. That includes AAU too. AAu should really be ran totally different IMO.

Melo does not need help on his post game. He's one of the best post players in the game. He needs to play D and for people around him to hit shots.