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holfresh
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6/27/2012  4:24 PM
Nalod wrote:
holfresh wrote:
fishmike wrote:
holfresh wrote:
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holfresh wrote:I really like hearing this, I was begging for this...Also LJ is in house and was a very good low post player with excellent footwork...LJ might even be a better instructor as he learned to adjust his game with a bad back...Amare should have done this years ago...
WHY? at 25ppg and 53% he's been one of the best frontcourt scorers in the NBA for like 10 years. Why would you look to change that? Just curious

Amare for how many years now relied on athletic ability to score in the post...He excelled in one type of offense, the pick and roll...He can't count on playing with MDA forever...MJ, Magic, Bird, Isiah, were all great offensive players in their own right, but you always heard of how hard they worked to add to their games in the offseason...Magic was a horrible three point shooter early is his career, he became very proficient at it...Oakley was a horrid outside shooter and he too worked at it...If you want to be great and win rings, you work on your game....

I was amazed when I heard Amare said no coach ever asked him to work on his low post game after his exit interview...If you have ability and athletic skill like Amare, you can't really be content just playing one way....

Stockton and Malone went to the hall of fame playing one way for like 15 years. Maybe Amare's been playing (scoring) the RIGHT way and the other guys on the team need to adjust? 53% dude.

They made it all the way to the Hall of Fame, huh...Dudes who never play pro ball is in the HOF...Cheryl Miller is in the Hall of Fame...How many rings do they have???

Ms Miller played pre WBA but played overseas.

How many rings she have?

Two. Both with USC.

And College player of the year.

And a olympic Gold metal.

Stocton and Malone deserve to be HOF even without Dream Team Cred.

As do Ewing and Barkley.


U counting Melo as a ring bearer too??...
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6/27/2012  4:26 PM
holfresh wrote:
Nalod wrote:
holfresh wrote:
fishmike wrote:
holfresh wrote:
fishmike wrote:
holfresh wrote:I really like hearing this, I was begging for this...Also LJ is in house and was a very good low post player with excellent footwork...LJ might even be a better instructor as he learned to adjust his game with a bad back...Amare should have done this years ago...
WHY? at 25ppg and 53% he's been one of the best frontcourt scorers in the NBA for like 10 years. Why would you look to change that? Just curious

Amare for how many years now relied on athletic ability to score in the post...He excelled in one type of offense, the pick and roll...He can't count on playing with MDA forever...MJ, Magic, Bird, Isiah, were all great offensive players in their own right, but you always heard of how hard they worked to add to their games in the offseason...Magic was a horrible three point shooter early is his career, he became very proficient at it...Oakley was a horrid outside shooter and he too worked at it...If you want to be great and win rings, you work on your game....

I was amazed when I heard Amare said no coach ever asked him to work on his low post game after his exit interview...If you have ability and athletic skill like Amare, you can't really be content just playing one way....

Stockton and Malone went to the hall of fame playing one way for like 15 years. Maybe Amare's been playing (scoring) the RIGHT way and the other guys on the team need to adjust? 53% dude.

They made it all the way to the Hall of Fame, huh...Dudes who never play pro ball is in the HOF...Cheryl Miller is in the Hall of Fame...How many rings do they have???

Ms Miller played pre WBA but played overseas.

How many rings she have?

Two. Both with USC.

And College player of the year.

And a olympic Gold metal.

Stocton and Malone deserve to be HOF even without Dream Team Cred.

As do Ewing and Barkley.


U counting Melo as a ring bearer too??...

That was luck because he sux and quit on his college team. At least they had all the other Orangemen to pick up the slack
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6/27/2012  4:45 PM
holfresh wrote:
Nalod wrote:
holfresh wrote:
fishmike wrote:
holfresh wrote:
fishmike wrote:
holfresh wrote:I really like hearing this, I was begging for this...Also LJ is in house and was a very good low post player with excellent footwork...LJ might even be a better instructor as he learned to adjust his game with a bad back...Amare should have done this years ago...
WHY? at 25ppg and 53% he's been one of the best frontcourt scorers in the NBA for like 10 years. Why would you look to change that? Just curious

Amare for how many years now relied on athletic ability to score in the post...He excelled in one type of offense, the pick and roll...He can't count on playing with MDA forever...MJ, Magic, Bird, Isiah, were all great offensive players in their own right, but you always heard of how hard they worked to add to their games in the offseason...Magic was a horrible three point shooter early is his career, he became very proficient at it...Oakley was a horrid outside shooter and he too worked at it...If you want to be great and win rings, you work on your game....

I was amazed when I heard Amare said no coach ever asked him to work on his low post game after his exit interview...If you have ability and athletic skill like Amare, you can't really be content just playing one way....

Stockton and Malone went to the hall of fame playing one way for like 15 years. Maybe Amare's been playing (scoring) the RIGHT way and the other guys on the team need to adjust? 53% dude.

They made it all the way to the Hall of Fame, huh...Dudes who never play pro ball is in the HOF...Cheryl Miller is in the Hall of Fame...How many rings do they have???

Ms Miller played pre WBA but played overseas.

How many rings she have?

Two. Both with USC.

And College player of the year.

And a olympic Gold metal.

Stocton and Malone deserve to be HOF even without Dream Team Cred.

As do Ewing and Barkley.


U counting Melo as a ring bearer too??...

Not yet. By any measure Reggies Sister was the best player for few years and was a 4 year player in college.

Melo as an olympian is on the Redeem team is not the same. Nor was his one year in Syracuse as a freshman. He was a beast in his one year! Avg 22 and 10. TJ Ford, Nick Collison and David West were all nominated for College player of the year.

Melo is on his way to a hall of fame career but he is in GLenn rice/Bernard King territory.
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6/27/2012  5:06 PM
Nalod wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Nalod wrote:
holfresh wrote:
fishmike wrote:
holfresh wrote:
fishmike wrote:
holfresh wrote:I really like hearing this, I was begging for this...Also LJ is in house and was a very good low post player with excellent footwork...LJ might even be a better instructor as he learned to adjust his game with a bad back...Amare should have done this years ago...
WHY? at 25ppg and 53% he's been one of the best frontcourt scorers in the NBA for like 10 years. Why would you look to change that? Just curious

Amare for how many years now relied on athletic ability to score in the post...He excelled in one type of offense, the pick and roll...He can't count on playing with MDA forever...MJ, Magic, Bird, Isiah, were all great offensive players in their own right, but you always heard of how hard they worked to add to their games in the offseason...Magic was a horrible three point shooter early is his career, he became very proficient at it...Oakley was a horrid outside shooter and he too worked at it...If you want to be great and win rings, you work on your game....

I was amazed when I heard Amare said no coach ever asked him to work on his low post game after his exit interview...If you have ability and athletic skill like Amare, you can't really be content just playing one way....

Stockton and Malone went to the hall of fame playing one way for like 15 years. Maybe Amare's been playing (scoring) the RIGHT way and the other guys on the team need to adjust? 53% dude.

They made it all the way to the Hall of Fame, huh...Dudes who never play pro ball is in the HOF...Cheryl Miller is in the Hall of Fame...How many rings do they have???

Ms Miller played pre WBA but played overseas.

How many rings she have?

Two. Both with USC.

And College player of the year.

And a olympic Gold metal.

Stocton and Malone deserve to be HOF even without Dream Team Cred.

As do Ewing and Barkley.


U counting Melo as a ring bearer too??...

Not yet. By any measure Reggies Sister was the best player for few years and was a 4 year player in college.

Melo as an olympian is on the Redeem team is not the same. Nor was his one year in Syracuse as a freshman. He was a beast in his one year! Avg 22 and 10. TJ Ford, Nick Collison and David West were all nominated for College player of the year.

Melo is on his way to a hall of fame career but he is in GLenn rice/Bernard King territory.

Well I was actually referring to Stockton and Malone not having a ring...But Melo gets Kudos for winning at the highest level while in college...Melo is a better all around player than Bernard and Glen Rice...
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6/27/2012  5:32 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
fishmike wrote:this is why Amare is good team guy. The guy is a career 25ppg scorer with a crazy 53% shooting. Very rare already and he's looking to improve that, because thats whats needed on the team for spacing to work

If Amare was such a "good team guy" then he would realize how important it is for him to actually care on defense. I hope he can make that psychological leap next year and realize what is needed from him going forward.


Amare is a 25 PPG player in the same sense that Tracy McGrady and Grant Hill are.
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6/27/2012  5:42 PM
Amare should also learn to rebound and play defense like Hakeem also. Same with Chandler.
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6/27/2012  7:07 PM
Both STAT and Melo need to improve in a marked way or this team won't advance. STAT has stunk on D for most of his career and he's done next to nothing to work on it. Rather he's blamed his coaches rather than accept blame for his own poor play.

Melo has to also accept his own flaws and really GROW UP! The way he dealt with the whole MDA thing and the lack of a PG was really pure baby garbage. He needed to man up and embrace the situation, but he didn't and that made him fair game for being criticized. The Thing is that we need both player to step up and from what we've heard so far it looks like both are addressing the areas they need to address. That's all we can ask for right now. We'll see how it goes next season, but so far having STAT, Melo and Tyson working on weaknesses is a good thing. No they don't get Brownie Points for doing what they should be doing, but it's better than them NOT doing anything to improve.

This team is a lot closer to being a real challenger than it seemed from the playoffs. You can't really use that as a gauge considering the way things went down last year. This coming season will be a true barometer of who the Knicks are IMO. Full Training Camp and a chance for Woody to install his system and philosophy rather than a mixed bag. Hopefully much better health and having a more balanced team from day one!!! Let's remember what we had to start the year this season. That's not what the team will look like next year. Knick fans should be in a better mood than they seem to be. I think they need to let last year go. Let the last decade go! Just look at the team we actually have and what they should be capable of.

Last summer both STAT and Melo couldn't even work out!!! Now they're already on programs and trimming down. Now they're already doing things to build team chemistry. Much better IMO. If Lebron can change and learn from his past why can't Melo? Lebron took complete control of his teams destiny this year and thats what a leader should do. Now we get to see if Melo can make that leap.
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6/27/2012  7:17 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/27/2012  7:20 PM
at least he is putting his own $ and trying to do something about it.
Not being a fat ass like Eddy Curry.

I hope Chandler, Jorts, Jeffries, and Jordan would benefit and should join Amare.
Jorts and Jordan might not be able to afford his services at 50k per pop.

As for Melo, its good to hear that he is taking this off season to getting in better shape.
Core training isn't strength training, its working out the abbs/stomach/obliques/back, the middle of your body, to be the support from your up, for better balance, and etc.
It supports and strengthens your body and has been one of the more under rated exercises that has sports science has found its importance to overall movement, strength, endurance, and conditioning.
I just hope this is something he continues to do and will follow a nutritionist, seeing how it has allowed Nash prolong his career.
He is hitting an age that physical talents will go down, relying more on the mental game.

Hope it isn't a 1 summer wonder with the Olympics approaching.
Because his body has chained dramatically since his too skinny days as a rookie.
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6/27/2012  7:43 PM
im really happy that the team and the coaching staff are getting together and preparing for next season. In order to go for teh title you need chemistry and also need to be healthy and it seems like our team is finally seeing that through
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6/27/2012  7:52 PM
Carmelo is already in better shape- Is it possible the script is flipped, and the Knicks players on their own do the right thing?
Amare is joining Kobe LeBron and Dwight- who saw you could have an advantage by bringing something neglected in today's game by the "stars"--- so they studied with the Baddest Old School 90's baller- the Dream-
His moves are so slick - working around a defensive player within a tight area- and they work for guys like Kobe, and LeBron who dominate athletically-
Like Fishmike has said Amear has been dominant for years-
This is a big deal if it works for him- Shows he's not ready to fade away and be a dissapointing contract albatross- Amare has overcome several obsticles- eye, knee, etc- This year was brutal on him- and his way of dealing with it is trying to improve himself-
Dream himself was not a great fundemantal player when he entered the league- He was Raw and learned to be nuanced, fundemental, and still spontaneous- And if Tyson goes too that's even better because Dream ALSO knows what does and doesn't work when sharing duties with another dominant big on your team-
Amearjuwon!
Anyway the best thing this team can do is to improve from within. This talent can still grow-
If you are still following the team and reading sites like this, there is nothing, short of your own demise, that is going to throw you off this train.
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6/27/2012  7:53 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
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fishmike wrote:this is why Amare is good team guy. The guy is a career 25ppg scorer with a crazy 53% shooting. Very rare already and he's looking to improve that, because thats whats needed on the team for spacing to work

If Amare was such a "good team guy" then he would realize how important it is for him to actually care on defense. I hope he can make that psychological leap next year and realize what is needed from him going forward.


Amare is a 25 PPG player in the same sense that Tracy McGrady and Grant Hill are.

Amare's Win Shares were not nearly as good as Melo this year or even with the great year that he had last year.
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6/27/2012  8:05 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
fishmike wrote:this is why Amare is good team guy. The guy is a career 25ppg scorer with a crazy 53% shooting. Very rare already and he's looking to improve that, because thats whats needed on the team for spacing to work

If Amare was such a "good team guy" then he would realize how important it is for him to actually care on defense. I hope he can make that psychological leap next year and realize what is needed from him going forward.


Amare is a 25 PPG player in the same sense that Tracy McGrady and Grant Hill are.

Amare's Win Shares were not nearly as good as Melo this year or even with the great year that he had last year.


I know. Amare didn't have a great year last year. He had a great first half to the year and a nightmare second half.
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6/27/2012  8:07 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
fishmike wrote:this is why Amare is good team guy. The guy is a career 25ppg scorer with a crazy 53% shooting. Very rare already and he's looking to improve that, because thats whats needed on the team for spacing to work

If Amare was such a "good team guy" then he would realize how important it is for him to actually care on defense. I hope he can make that psychological leap next year and realize what is needed from him going forward.


Amare is a 25 PPG player in the same sense that Tracy McGrady and Grant Hill are.

Amare's Win Shares were not nearly as good as Melo this year or even with the great year that he had last year.


I know. Amare didn't have a great year last year. He had a great first half to the year and a nightmare second half.

Melo's fault or Amare's?
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6/27/2012  8:10 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
fishmike wrote:this is why Amare is good team guy. The guy is a career 25ppg scorer with a crazy 53% shooting. Very rare already and he's looking to improve that, because thats whats needed on the team for spacing to work

If Amare was such a "good team guy" then he would realize how important it is for him to actually care on defense. I hope he can make that psychological leap next year and realize what is needed from him going forward.


Amare is a 25 PPG player in the same sense that Tracy McGrady and Grant Hill are.

Amare's Win Shares were not nearly as good as Melo this year or even with the great year that he had last year.


I know. Amare didn't have a great year last year. He had a great first half to the year and a nightmare second half.

Melo's fault or Amare's?


Your fault
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