loweyecue wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

OasisBU wrote:If you have a SG who can knock it down consistently then people will have to honor that which would leave Novak open more and Melo would have a much easier time picking teams apart.

Exactly right.

What derailed the Knicks last season PG or SG?...If this GM comes into next season not addressing the PG position and Lin goes down again, everyone on the planet will be asking for his head and I will lead that charge...

Personally I think A proper SG is our biggest need. You can find a serviceable PG to distribute the ball but unless you have shooting, you can't win. Sure we have scorers, but we need someone who can hit the J with high % - like H20 used to.

Did the Lakers or Heat win because of their PG play? I agree we need a backup for Lin that can actually play, and I think we can find one, but our SG position is pretty weak. Fields sucks and JR is too streaky.

Disagree...We were on a Baron Davis watch last year...We were desperate for a serviceable PG and all hopes hinged on a guy with a bad back...We need a PG who can get Amare involved in the offense...If Amare isn't scoring at a decent clip behind Melo next year, we are done, shooting guard or not...Looking at these last playoffs, Asking a rookie in Lin to guide us thru meaningful playoff games is nuts, good luck...

Why be overly worried about acquiring a PG when the guy who drove your coach to leave- a coach who put more emphasis on the PG position than most coaches- has to be the focal point of your offense in order to be happy?

Do you think Anthony is going to be running around the court, cutting to the basket or coming off screens so any PG can get the ball to him?

How many times do folks have to observe and analyze his game before they realize that Anthony is the kind of player who gets into a shooting rhythm by handling the ball.
People are talking about Nash as if he would want to be part offense where he will standing around for long stretches while Anthony is going ISO.

Our perimeter shooting was pretty poor last year except for Novak, and we saw what a good perimeter defender can do against him if the rest offense is stagnant.

Fields and Shumpert (without even considering his injury) cannot be counted on for the kind of shooting you need to keep an opposition defense honest.

We need another consistent jump shooter, especially, IMO, someone who is good at coming off screens.

Yep and if we get a Nash like PG he will have the exact same fate as MDA. Our main problem is NOT the PG position it's our star Diva and our stooge coach's offensive philosophy. Both fully supported by our idiot owner. Nash runs a movement offense and we are exact opposite of that. Yet people want to bash Lin and make excuses for MElo. Because he is an "elite" player so whatever he does must be right. New York fans are soooo overrated it's sad.

Yep. Not having a good PG didn't hurt us at all before Lin and in the playoffs. AndMelo is definitely horrible. I mean the guys around him shot so well when he passed them the ball! He should have just kept passing the ball!

People that call Melo a selfish player need to stop getting caught up in what people say and watch the games.

We need another PG and a reliable shooter at the 2. This is clear as day.

I said it wasn't the primary problem, I didn't say it did not hurt us. You need to jump to an absolute conclusion because your feelings about your Diva are hurt - suit yourself.

One of his teammates led the league in 3pt %age and another had the most efficient field goal percentatge in the NBA. But yeah, he should have just kept shooting the ball from within triple teams. Excellent idea.

My feelings aren't hurt. I'm just pointing out that you're wrong. Novak is a GREAT shooter. But how often were he and Melo on the court together? And when they were in the playoffs, you really think it was Melos fault he didn't score? He couldnt get open because he and Melo were the only ones that could shoot. Defending them was easy for Miami since no one else could score.

And I love Tyson but his FG% was a product of pick and rolls and put backs. If you think Melo should've just dumped it down low to him and let him go to work, you obviously didn't watch the games because Tyson has ZERO offensive game.

You're regurgitating what the masses are saying without watching. Like many others. Biggest need is a PG to run an offense and get the ball to Melo at his spots. Next big need is to get reliable shooters on the floor. I wish they kept stats on how many passes led to wide open shots that didn't go in. Melo was a GREAT passer this year.

If you had botered reading what I originally posted you would have seen my issue with our offense was the idea that the ball should be dumed to Melo every time. We don't have an offense and Woodson refuses to design plays to get Tyson or Novak the ball in situations where they CAN be effective. That is on Woody and it stems from Melo's desire to not do anything els.

Legitimate HOF-er who won't be taking sh!t from Woodson or his Superstar to pass him the ball on every posession and will actually orchestrate an offense and get Amare involved. I can see the Melo fans losing some sleep.

But Melo himself may nix any Nash hiring.

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

holfresh wrote:We have like 30 SG's on the roster with one up and coming star in Shumpert..Priority???...Seem any Knick games lately guys?...

We need a SG who can shoot. Shumpert is a great 6th man right now when healthy. Can't put enough emphasis on surrounding Melo and Stoudemire with shooters. Not sure why people are so content with a team full of streaky to bad outside shooters.

Throughout the entire season last year our biggest issue was PG, still is...JR(SG) is the six man or maybe Odom if we are lucky...We currently have depth at the position..We aren't going to add more unless we could land a game changer like Ray Allen...We have too many holes on the roster to be worried about more shooters...

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If we don't have a starting line up with shooters they will gang up on Melo and Amare. They will gamble with the rest and the heat will destroy us. We need to get Jamal Crawford a guy who can creat his own shot.

Paladin55 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

OasisBU wrote:If you have a SG who can knock it down consistently then people will have to honor that which would leave Novak open more and Melo would have a much easier time picking teams apart.

Exactly right.

What derailed the Knicks last season PG or SG?...If this GM comes into next season not addressing the PG position and Lin goes down again, everyone on the planet will be asking for his head and I will lead that charge...

Personally I think A proper SG is our biggest need. You can find a serviceable PG to distribute the ball but unless you have shooting, you can't win. Sure we have scorers, but we need someone who can hit the J with high % - like H20 used to.

Did the Lakers or Heat win because of their PG play? I agree we need a backup for Lin that can actually play, and I think we can find one, but our SG position is pretty weak. Fields sucks and JR is too streaky.

Disagree...We were on a Baron Davis watch last year...We were desperate for a serviceable PG and all hopes hinged on a guy with a bad back...We need a PG who can get Amare involved in the offense...If Amare isn't scoring at a decent clip behind Melo next year, we are done, shooting guard or not...Looking at these last playoffs, Asking a rookie in Lin to guide us thru meaningful playoff games is nuts, good luck...

Why be overly worried about acquiring a PG when the guy who drove your coach to leave- a coach who put more emphasis on the PG position than most coaches- has to be the focal point of your offense in order to be happy?

Do you think Anthony is going to be running around the court, cutting to the basket or coming off screens so any PG can get the ball to him?

How many times do folks have to observe and analyze his game before they realize that Anthony is the kind of player who gets into a shooting rhythm by handling the ball.

People are talking about Nash as if he would want to be part offense where he will standing around for long stretches while Anthony is going ISO.

Our perimeter shooting was pretty poor last year except for Novak, and we saw what a good perimeter defender can do against him if the rest offense is stagnant.

Fields and Shumpert (without even considering his injury) cannot be counted on for the kind of shooting you need to keep an opposition defense honest.

We need another consistent jump shooter, especially, IMO, someone who is good at coming off screens.

Well seems like the last time Melo benefited from good point guard play he got to the ECF namingly with Billups and the other 100 mil player on the roster seems less than average without a PG looking to get him involved...Maybe last year was an illusion and our biggest hole wasn't at the PG position ..Maybe Chandler can create on his own and he too doesn't benefit from good PG play...Heck, Why try to add pieces that might help what may seem like a frontline advantage against most teams...We need more shooters to compete with Lin, Melo,Amare and JR...

As for our coach last year, it's not rocket science that u find a way to get the ball to your best players...If your PG is the 5th best player on the team and he often leads in field goal attempts, odds are you won't win many games ....No one is saying consistent outside shooting won't help, we could add Ray Allen next year and it won't help I'd we don't have good PG play...

My feelings aren't hurt. I'm just pointing out that you're wrong. Novak is a GREAT shooter. But how often were he and Melo on the court together? And when they were in the playoffs, you really think it was Melos fault he didn't score? He couldnt get open because he and Melo were the only ones that could shoot. Defending them was easy for Miami since no one else could score.

And I love Tyson but his FG% was a product of pick and rolls and put backs. If you think Melo should've just dumped it down low to him and let him go to work, you obviously didn't watch the games because Tyson has ZERO offensive game.

You're regurgitating what the masses are saying without watching. Like many others. Biggest need is a PG to run an offense and get the ball to Melo at his spots. Next big need is to get reliable shooters on the floor. I wish they kept stats on how many passes led to wide open shots that didn't go in. Melo was a GREAT passer this year.
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Seriously guy is acting like Melo wasnt feeding the ball into this great back to the basket low post scorer.Chandler has no game aside from dunking the ball.
Then Novak yeah he is a great spot up shooter but thats all he is. The reason why he doesnt more shots is because he cant create anything on his own. The only time he scores is when someone doubles off him and he is left open. Teams wont be doing that much anymore I guarantee. Dont be surprised if he barely sees the court next season