knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I thought Melo was supposed to attract winners to our organization.

Tyson said he came to NY because of him.

tyson came because we gave him about 14 mil a year..

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I thought Melo was supposed to attract winners to our organization.

Tyson said he came to NY because of him.

tyson came because we gave him about 14 mil a year..

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I thought Melo was supposed to attract winners to our organization.

Tyson said he came to NY because of him.

Swishfm3 wrote:

tkf wrote:

ShellTopAdidas wrote:This is hilarious! Not even the Zen Master wants to work for Dumblin! He believes the same thing me, MDA, and alot of other non homers believe. The Knicks are a mess and they will continue to be a mess as long as Dumblin and IT is calling the shots. Its a shame our owner is retarded and doesn't have a clue, and takes advice from an even bigger retard in IT. Wow how it sucks being a Knick fan. At this rate Brooklyn will win a championship before the Knicks and that would be an EPIC FAIL! We are looking at mediocrity from now till, hmmmm.......forever! What a joke our owner is! Sour grapes my ***, he's as smart as they come even got the rings to prove it and I'm not a Jax fan but the man is 100% right.

I did some research and noticed charles Dolan has other kids and sons, how in the hell did we end up with Jimmy? are the other sons even worse? if so, just sell the team to some other billionaire.. Please dolan.. for us fans!!!

You're a Knick fan?

of course, the non homer, non delusional knick fan... come aboard..

CrushAlot wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I thought Melo was supposed to attract winners to our organization.

you mean like was suppose too?

Yeah he was pretty impressive in that role. I am not sure if it was his reconciliation meeting
with Amare or the fact that the Knicks gave Amare a max contract despite not being able to insure it because of his knee that sealed the deal and brought Walsh's plan to fruition.

Say what you want, but many of the players were excited about playing for D'Antoni. I think this idea that players would base their decision on who the coach was is overblown, but MDA certainly didn't hurt. It's almost always about the money.

As for the plan Walsh had, he did the best he could. A GM can't force stars to come and play for his team. We had the money to pay Lebron, but he had a better situation in his opinion. All we had was STAT and a bunch of young players, whereas Miami had WADE and Bosh as possible teammates, which he knew was the case. He could play with his 2 All Star best buds in lovely Miami and Multi Championship winning Pat Riley. In the end the Knicks never had a chance.

After that Walsh did the smart thing and took a more patient approach. DOLAN is the one who rushed things and cost the team more talent than we needed to give up. Perhaps if Dolan stayed out of it, we end up with Deron or CP3. The kind of player that MDA really needed to succeed. At least with Walsh and MDA you had a direction and knew what the plan was to build a team.

Now we really don't have a plan. How do you win a title with Melo as the center piece? Karl and the Nuggets couldn't figure it out and now we have the same problem. STAT at least fits into a team concept as we've seen from thru his career. The 2 of them together aren't a good match at all in terms of a team ball concept. STAT is a finisher and Melo is an ISO artist. What do we need to do in order to form a title contender with a player that dominates the ball like Melo and basically works against a team concept? I hope and pray that Woody and Grunwald can figure something out. Is Lin enough to offset the fact that Melo is a ball stopper? Can Woody be the coach to get Melo to finally blend into a team concept on a championship level? PJax seemed to indicate that he would try to get Melo to try and be a TEAM player. Funny cuz that's exactly what MDA was trying to do and what Karl failed to do as well?

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I thought Melo was supposed to attract winners to our organization.

you mean like was suppose too?

Yeah he was pretty impressive in that role. I am not sure if it was his reconciliation meeting
with Amare or the fact that the Knicks gave Amare a max contract despite not being able to insure it because of his knee that sealed the deal and brought Walsh's plan to fruition.

Say what you want, but many of the players were excited about playing for D'Antoni. I think this idea that players would base their decision on who the coach was is overblown, but MDA certainly didn't hurt. It's almost always about the money.

As for the plan Walsh had, he did the best he could. A GM can't force stars to come and play for his team. We had the money to pay Lebron, but he had a better situation in his opinion. All we had was STAT and a bunch of young players, whereas Miami had WADE and Bosh as possible teammates, which he knew was the case. He could play with his 2 All Star best buds in lovely Miami and Multi Championship winning Pat Riley. In the end the Knicks never had a chance.

After that Walsh did the smart thing and took a more patient approach. DOLAN is the one who rushed things and cost the team more talent than we needed to give up. Perhaps if Dolan stayed out of it, we end up with Deron or CP3. The kind of player that MDA really needed to succeed. At least with Walsh and MDA you had a direction and knew what the plan was to build a team.

Now we really don't have a plan. How do you win a title with Melo as the center piece? Karl and the Nuggets couldn't figure it out and now we have the same problem. STAT at least fits into a team concept as we've seen from thru his career. The 2 of them together aren't a good match at all in terms of a team ball concept. STAT is a finisher and Melo is an ISO artist. What do we need to do in order to form a title contender with a player that dominates the ball like Melo and basically works against a team concept? I hope and pray that Woody and Grunwald can figure something out. Is Lin enough to offset the fact that Melo is a ball stopper? Can Woody be the coach to get Melo to finally blend into a team concept on a championship level? PJax seemed to indicate that he would try to get Melo to try and be a TEAM player. Funny cuz that's exactly what MDA was trying to do and what Karl failed to do as well?

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I thought Melo was supposed to attract winners to our organization.

you mean like was suppose too?

Yeah he was pretty impressive in that role. I am not sure if it was his reconciliation meeting
with Amare or the fact that the Knicks gave Amare a max contract despite not being able to insure it because of his knee that sealed the deal and brought Walsh's plan to fruition.

Say what you want, but many of the players were excited about playing for D'Antoni. I think this idea that players would base their decision on who the coach was is overblown, but MDA certainly didn't hurt. It's almost always about the money.

As for the plan Walsh had, he did the best he could. A GM can't force stars to come and play for his team. We had the money to pay Lebron, but he had a better situation in his opinion. All we had was STAT and a bunch of young players, whereas Miami had WADE and Bosh as possible teammates, which he knew was the case. He could play with his 2 All Star best buds in lovely Miami and Multi Championship winning Pat Riley. In the end the Knicks never had a chance.

After that Walsh did the smart thing and took a more patient approach. DOLAN is the one who rushed things and cost the team more talent than we needed to give up. Perhaps if Dolan stayed out of it, we end up with Deron or CP3. The kind of player that MDA really needed to succeed. At least with Walsh and MDA you had a direction and knew what the plan was to build a team.

Now we really don't have a plan. How do you win a title with Melo as the center piece? Karl and the Nuggets couldn't figure it out and now we have the same problem. STAT at least fits into a team concept as we've seen from thru his career. The 2 of them together aren't a good match at all in terms of a team ball concept. STAT is a finisher and Melo is an ISO artist. What do we need to do in order to form a title contender with a player that dominates the ball like Melo and basically works against a team concept? I hope and pray that Woody and Grunwald can figure something out. Is Lin enough to offset the fact that Melo is a ball stopper? Can Woody be the coach to get Melo to finally blend into a team concept on a championship level? PJax seemed to indicate that he would try to get Melo to try and be a TEAM player. Funny cuz that's exactly what MDA was trying to do and what Karl failed to do as well?

A couple of things in regards to the former coach. During the summer of 2010 some analysts were saying LBJ would not come to the Knicks because he knew how important defense was to winning a championship. I think LBJ knew where he was going all along but there were some that were saying that. Also, I agree that money was what brought STAT to NY. However, he and D'Antoni did have a reconciliation meeting and that is a far cry from guys clamoring to play for him in my opinion.

It's been my opinion that when evaluating players you want guys that NATURALLY give great effort rather than guys you have to goad all the time. Some whipping is OK, but you don't want to have to coach EFFORT all the time. You don't want guys that don't like playing in a team concept. It just makes things harder. We've seen that when you have a good coach and coachable players teams can accomplish a lot. That's what we saw last year before the trade and this year during Linsanity. Lesser players coming together and playing team ball. Now if you can also get that from your star players then you have something special.

IrishKnickFan wrote:

holfresh wrote:Phil's ego didn't get stroked...aaawwwwwww...

i personally never liked phil. yes he is a great coach but he has had many HOF players which does help. However i agree with what he is saying and have been saying it since "the trade". These two guys dont fit and these two guys even though are great scorers arent elite overall players

I'm sure if pressed, Phil would tell you that LeBron and Wade don't fit either...

holfresh wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

holfresh wrote:Phil's ego didn't get stroked...aaawwwwwww...

i personally never liked phil. yes he is a great coach but he has had many HOF players which does help. However i agree with what he is saying and have been saying it since "the trade". These two guys dont fit and these two guys even though are great scorers arent elite overall players

I'm sure if pressed, Phil would tell you that LeBron and Wade don't fit either...