CashMoney wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

holfresh wrote:

loweyecue wrote:Some people on this board will stop at nothing to get rid of Lin, I think it is rooted in their fear that Lin has the goods to steal the spotlight away from their beloved "superstar". Dumb thread, Lin is staying get over it.

Felton was playing in a ball movement offense similar to MDA style, Lin was playing under Woody who could care less about ball movement and who's offense consists of dumping the ball to Melo. Great comparison based on 18 games.

Wanting Felton to come in doesn't mean anyone dislikes Lin...It means we don't want the Knicks to have zero options if Lin gets hurt or doesn't produce or isn't effective...Wanting another PG after last year's debacle at the position proves you have the best interest of the team at heart....

The way the post was laid out it made it clear the intent was to get Felton and NOT get Lin to save money. I have no issues with getting another PG, but I am amazed by how easily people have given up on Lin. The real reason is these are the types of people who would rather just ignore him since he doesn't fit their stupid stereotype. Woodson has not even said he wants Lin to start, this cannot possibly have anything to do with basketball skills.

Woodson has been clear the Lin is the PG.

Woodson was asked if Lin would start and he said "We shall see". I don't know how that clearly makes him the PG. My point is simple no one know what Lin can or can't do but there is a large body of peopl on this board who are writing him off as a role palyer/scrub even after he singlehandedly got us into the playoffs and I for one think Woodson feels the same way. I don't think he has the ability to say no to Lin becuase of Lin's marketability and how attractive that is to Dolan. But I don't think he cares for Lin's game or will do anything to try to develop him. Yes this is a feeling I have right now and it's based on his body language when he is asked about Lin and not on any thing that has been reported. So as not to put too fine an emphasi on it: We shall see.

loweyecue wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

holfresh wrote:

loweyecue wrote:Some people on this board will stop at nothing to get rid of Lin, I think it is rooted in their fear that Lin has the goods to steal the spotlight away from their beloved "superstar". Dumb thread, Lin is staying get over it.

Felton was playing in a ball movement offense similar to MDA style, Lin was playing under Woody who could care less about ball movement and who's offense consists of dumping the ball to Melo. Great comparison based on 18 games.

Wanting Felton to come in doesn't mean anyone dislikes Lin...It means we don't want the Knicks to have zero options if Lin gets hurt or doesn't produce or isn't effective...Wanting another PG after last year's debacle at the position proves you have the best interest of the team at heart....

The way the post was laid out it made it clear the intent was to get Felton and NOT get Lin to save money. I have no issues with getting another PG, but I am amazed by how easily people have given up on Lin. The real reason is these are the types of people who would rather just ignore him since he doesn't fit their stupid stereotype. Woodson has not even said he wants Lin to start, this cannot possibly have anything to do with basketball skills.

Woodson has been clear the Lin is the PG.

Woodson was asked if Lin would start and he said "We shall see". I don't know how that clearly makes him the PG. My point is simple no one know what Lin can or can't do but there is a large body of peopl on this board who are writing him off as a role palyer/scrub even after he singlehandedly got us into the playoffs and I for one think Woodson feels the same way. I don't think he has the ability to say no to Lin becuase of Lin's marketability and how attractive that is to Dolan. But I don't think he cares for Lin's game or will do anything to try to develop him. Yes this is a feeling I have right now and it's based on his body language when he is asked about Lin and not on any thing that has been reported. So as not to put too fine an emphasi on it: We shall see.

Sharing that with Lin, was never in his plans, even with Lin, he at least tried to cover for Melo, by telling the media, Melo told Dantoni he should give Lin an opportunity b4 Linsaniy. However, when Dantoni was asked about that he replied, "I don't recall ever having such a conversation."

Dantoni, clearly threw Melo under the bus, not allowing him to save face, with the media about being able to playing Melo with Lin, before Melo was healed.

Maybe he see's a 2nd unit that might be willing to share the basketball and play closer to SSOL than the starting lineup.
Don't 4get, all the players that played great during Linsanity were, 2nd unit players.

RonRon wrote:I like Felton but we have so many holes to fill, I am not sure if we can afford him.
I do not see Felton playing for anything under the 3.5m mini exemption that teams over the cap can afford.

If the knicks are hard capped at 74million because they use the full MLE on Lin there isn't going to be many new players added to the roster. I think with a starting job and being a team trying to contend, we could lure Felton back if money is even across the league. There aren't too many playoff teams looking for a point guard.

ATrain wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ATrain wrote:

Knixkik wrote:We just need to focus on developing Lin and drafting a decent backup PG with our 2nd round pick. We can definitely find a player capable of playing 15 quality minutes a game off the bench. Jardine or Machado are both good possibilities.

I am so sick and tired of this organization and its fascination with "developing" players. We will never bring another chip here.

Lin is that player who is capable of playing 15 quality minutes a game off the bench. Let's find a damn noteworthy starting point guard, preferably one with years of playoff experience.

Never seen a "15 minute per game" player do what Lin has done this past season. I don't believe in rebuilding, but why not try to develop good players like the Spurs have? I'm talking about finding gems in the 2nd round that fit a role. Not sure why you aren't a fan of it.

What player have they really developed besides maybe Danny Green? Kawahi Leonard has been amazing from the jump. You can even argue that no other teams/coaches were able to get the most out of Green the way Pop has.

Danny Green
Kawaii Leanord

Gary Neal
Tiago Splitter
Dejuan Blaire

Patrick Mills
James Anderson
Matt Bonner

George Hill
Novak

Parker
Ginobili
Duncan
Stephen Jackson

loweyecue wrote:

Anji wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

holfresh wrote:

loweyecue wrote:Some people on this board will stop at nothing to get rid of Lin, I think it is rooted in their fear that Lin has the goods to steal the spotlight away from their beloved "superstar". Dumb thread, Lin is staying get over it.

Felton was playing in a ball movement offense similar to MDA style, Lin was playing under Woody who could care less about ball movement and who's offense consists of dumping the ball to Melo. Great comparison based on 18 games.

Wanting Felton to come in doesn't mean anyone dislikes Lin...It means we don't want the Knicks to have zero options if Lin gets hurt or doesn't produce or isn't effective...Wanting another PG after last year's debacle at the position proves you have the best interest of the team at heart....

The way the post was laid out it made it clear the intent was to get Felton and NOT get Lin to save money. I have no issues with getting another PG, but I am amazed by how easily people have given up on Lin. The real reason is these are the types of people who would rather just ignore him since he doesn't fit their stupid stereotype. Woodson has not even said he wants Lin to start, this cannot possibly have anything to do with basketball skills.

If Jeremy Lin signs for 3million or less, there is no problem bringing him back. He takes a two year deal and is SteveNash/TonyPark/JasonKidd, he'll get a max deal. If he isn't the knicks still will pay him what he's worth with killing most of it's ability to add players to the team.

Hard capping the team over a 8 game run is not a smart move, nobody should get over paid for a 2 week run. Because outside that run, there are other options that can put those numbers up.

Jeremy Lin will sign for whatever his value the market dictates for him. That's not Overpaying. Overpaying is when you give up 5 starters for a so called "superstar" who only plays hard for two months in the entire regular season. And disappears at other times to get the coach fired. Overpaying is paying $100M for a guy who was looking for a guaranteed 5 year contract above everything else would have quite possibly taken 75 M instead.

Also, I would add that Jeremy Lin transcend Basketball since he is one of the most popular athletes in the NBA (may be in the world) which brings great rating to the games and increases the value of the Knicks and the Dolan’s wallet. Jeremy Lin is a $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ machine.

Anji wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Anji wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

holfresh wrote:

loweyecue wrote:Some people on this board will stop at nothing to get rid of Lin, I think it is rooted in their fear that Lin has the goods to steal the spotlight away from their beloved "superstar". Dumb thread, Lin is staying get over it.

Felton was playing in a ball movement offense similar to MDA style, Lin was playing under Woody who could care less about ball movement and who's offense consists of dumping the ball to Melo. Great comparison based on 18 games.

Wanting Felton to come in doesn't mean anyone dislikes Lin...It means we don't want the Knicks to have zero options if Lin gets hurt or doesn't produce or isn't effective...Wanting another PG after last year's debacle at the position proves you have the best interest of the team at heart....

The way the post was laid out it made it clear the intent was to get Felton and NOT get Lin to save money. I have no issues with getting another PG, but I am amazed by how easily people have given up on Lin. The real reason is these are the types of people who would rather just ignore him since he doesn't fit their stupid stereotype. Woodson has not even said he wants Lin to start, this cannot possibly have anything to do with basketball skills.

If Jeremy Lin signs for 3million or less, there is no problem bringing him back. He takes a two year deal and is SteveNash/TonyPark/JasonKidd, he'll get a max deal. If he isn't the knicks still will pay him what he's worth with killing most of it's ability to add players to the team.

Hard capping the team over a 8 game run is not a smart move, nobody should get over paid for a 2 week run. Because outside that run, there are other options that can put those numbers up.

Jeremy Lin will sign for whatever his value the market dictates for him. That's not Overpaying. Overpaying is when you give up 5 starters for a so called "superstar" who only plays hard for two months in the entire regular season. And disappears at other times to get the coach fired. Overpaying is paying $100M for a guy who was looking for a guaranteed 5 year contract above everything else would have quite possibly taken 75 M instead.

Yeah Melo sucks and Amare Sucks, Lin should get every dime coming to him.

This logic is asinine or assLinine??? Over paying those guys mean we have to Over pay Lin too.

Its funny that you don't think the guys with the 700 plus games of experience got their market value, but you are all in bed for what ever the guy that started 25 games at all cost. Even if the deal hard caps the team and his career looks comparable to Jose Calderon, it's ok because he sell tee shirts in China??

That's fair Market value to you, fine. I pray the Knicks don't gamble with a hard cap and Lin, just because of merchandise sells in Hong Kong.

Yes overpaying BIIIIIIIIIIIIG TIME for guys that haven’t improve the team would definitely have consequences on the rest of the team, especially if the free agent to be (Lin) actually brings more revenue, endorsement and marketing opportunities to the team than the STARS.

Get with the program man, HARD CAP means that business decisions are PRIORITIZE over Basketball decisions and again Lin is a tremendous business opportunity for the Knicks and don’t be surprised if he makes the All Star in the near future because of his immense popularity in the world.

KnicksFE wrote:

Anji wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Anji wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

holfresh wrote:

loweyecue wrote:Some people on this board will stop at nothing to get rid of Lin, I think it is rooted in their fear that Lin has the goods to steal the spotlight away from their beloved "superstar". Dumb thread, Lin is staying get over it.

Felton was playing in a ball movement offense similar to MDA style, Lin was playing under Woody who could care less about ball movement and who's offense consists of dumping the ball to Melo. Great comparison based on 18 games.

Wanting Felton to come in doesn't mean anyone dislikes Lin...It means we don't want the Knicks to have zero options if Lin gets hurt or doesn't produce or isn't effective...Wanting another PG after last year's debacle at the position proves you have the best interest of the team at heart....

The way the post was laid out it made it clear the intent was to get Felton and NOT get Lin to save money. I have no issues with getting another PG, but I am amazed by how easily people have given up on Lin. The real reason is these are the types of people who would rather just ignore him since he doesn't fit their stupid stereotype. Woodson has not even said he wants Lin to start, this cannot possibly have anything to do with basketball skills.

If Jeremy Lin signs for 3million or less, there is no problem bringing him back. He takes a two year deal and is SteveNash/TonyPark/JasonKidd, he'll get a max deal. If he isn't the knicks still will pay him what he's worth with killing most of it's ability to add players to the team.

Hard capping the team over a 8 game run is not a smart move, nobody should get over paid for a 2 week run. Because outside that run, there are other options that can put those numbers up.

Jeremy Lin will sign for whatever his value the market dictates for him. That's not Overpaying. Overpaying is when you give up 5 starters for a so called "superstar" who only plays hard for two months in the entire regular season. And disappears at other times to get the coach fired. Overpaying is paying $100M for a guy who was looking for a guaranteed 5 year contract above everything else would have quite possibly taken 75 M instead.

Yeah Melo sucks and Amare Sucks, Lin should get every dime coming to him.

This logic is asinine or assLinine??? Over paying those guys mean we have to Over pay Lin too.

Its funny that you don't think the guys with the 700 plus games of experience got their market value, but you are all in bed for what ever the guy that started 25 games at all cost. Even if the deal hard caps the team and his career looks comparable to Jose Calderon, it's ok because he sell tee shirts in China??

That's fair Market value to you, fine. I pray the Knicks don't gamble with a hard cap and Lin, just because of merchandise sells in Hong Kong.

Yes overpaying BIIIIIIIIIIIIG TIME for guys that haven’t improve the team would definitely have consequences on the rest of the team, especially if the free agent to be (Lin) actually brings more revenue, endorsement and marketing opportunities to the team than the STARS.

loweyecue wrote:

Anji wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Anji wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

holfresh wrote:

loweyecue wrote:Some people on this board will stop at nothing to get rid of Lin, I think it is rooted in their fear that Lin has the goods to steal the spotlight away from their beloved "superstar". Dumb thread, Lin is staying get over it.

Felton was playing in a ball movement offense similar to MDA style, Lin was playing under Woody who could care less about ball movement and who's offense consists of dumping the ball to Melo. Great comparison based on 18 games.

Wanting Felton to come in doesn't mean anyone dislikes Lin...It means we don't want the Knicks to have zero options if Lin gets hurt or doesn't produce or isn't effective...Wanting another PG after last year's debacle at the position proves you have the best interest of the team at heart....

The way the post was laid out it made it clear the intent was to get Felton and NOT get Lin to save money. I have no issues with getting another PG, but I am amazed by how easily people have given up on Lin. The real reason is these are the types of people who would rather just ignore him since he doesn't fit their stupid stereotype. Woodson has not even said he wants Lin to start, this cannot possibly have anything to do with basketball skills.

If Jeremy Lin signs for 3million or less, there is no problem bringing him back. He takes a two year deal and is SteveNash/TonyPark/JasonKidd, he'll get a max deal. If he isn't the knicks still will pay him what he's worth with killing most of it's ability to add players to the team.

Hard capping the team over a 8 game run is not a smart move, nobody should get over paid for a 2 week run. Because outside that run, there are other options that can put those numbers up.

Jeremy Lin will sign for whatever his value the market dictates for him. That's not Overpaying. Overpaying is when you give up 5 starters for a so called "superstar" who only plays hard for two months in the entire regular season. And disappears at other times to get the coach fired. Overpaying is paying $100M for a guy who was looking for a guaranteed 5 year contract above everything else would have quite possibly taken 75 M instead.

Yeah Melo sucks and Amare Sucks, Lin should get every dime coming to him.

This logic is asinine or assLinine??? Over paying those guys mean we have to Over pay Lin too.

Its funny that you don't think the guys with the 700 plus games of experience got their market value, but you are all in bed for what ever the guy that started 25 games at all cost. Even if the deal hard caps the team and his career looks comparable to Jose Calderon, it's ok because he sell tee shirts in China??

That's fair Market value to you, fine. I pray the Knicks don't gamble with a hard cap and Lin, just because of merchandise sells in Hong Kong.

LOL, I remember when you used to type all your responses in ink blue font and size 14, back on the K4L forum Anji. Looks like not much has changed.

Where did I say Melo and Amare sucked or Lin was worth more than them? You clearly don't understand what overpaying means and I tried to explain it to you. Lin's value will be determined by the Market so you can't overpay for him by definition.

And no value is not determined by how many career points you have or 700 starts or selling jerseys in China. It's determined by supply and demand and what the market is willing to pay for you. In case of Amare and Melo we clearly paid more than what any other team was willing to pay and those things have a much bigger impact on our salary cap than the paltry $3 m extra that Lin might make.

misterearl wrote:Sign Ray.

If a private dinner with Mike Woodson did not convince Jeremy Lin the Knicks are serious about him, then he should walk back to Houston.

If Ray Felton bonded with Amar'e two years ago, he can do it again.

Amen!!!!..If Lin signs a contract that is a poison pill for the Knicks and didn't give the Knick an opportunity to structure a deal for the same money that would be suitable for the team , it a statement he doesn't want to be here...Let the dude walk...Bring on Felton and sign Jonny Flynn...