Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

RonRon wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

martin wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:What about the other 3 years? What a joke!

Chuck, if you can't put things into perspective, let's just stop this line of discussion.

Team was obviously removing decent players over the first 2 years to grab cap space. This has been noted and widely known forever.

So would you categorize D'Antoni's 3 1/2 seasons as Knicks coach a success or failure? Pretty simple question, no? All I keep hearing are excuses is we're rebuilding, clearing the cap for Lebron, Can't teach Nate how to play point, Duhon breaks down after how many games, don't play Marbury for whatever reason even to raise his value for trade bait, David Lee not a franchise player, can't play Jordan Hill/Corey Brewer/Timofey Mozgov/Jeremy Lin because they're not ready. Blah blah blah... Sticking to players too long, shortening rotations when he should expand, in game adjustments, End of game situations. Seriously, if you or I made this many excuses at our jobs we'd all be collecting unemployment.

Chuck Buck, is actually right, how many teams took our players, with little or not much value while in NY, and then develop in to good players and finding a role on a team?
Many were instinct, some needed more years to develop, while the players deserve some of the blame, possibly by unable to play under the pressure of NY and the Media..

Channing Frye *has developed in to a good role with the help of Nash and Gortat, even though he never played for Dantoni*
Ariza
Darko
Jordan Hill
Nate Robinson
Cory Brewer

Dantoni was crying, we have no PG the whole year, while many of us here on the message boards were waiting for Lin to finally get a shot, while the rest of the players got a chance.
Lin was on the bench the whole time, but could not break out of "DANTONI's DOGHOUSE", yes it really exists, one of the reasons I strongly hate about him.
Marbury came in the camp, in great shape, and ready to reconcile with Dantoni in Phoenix, but instead he puts him in the dog house and we lose any trade value for him.

Dantoni's stubbornness, many inabilities: to adapt to new changes, to make adjustments, to hold his players and stars accountable, to develop his young players, and unable to handle the pressure of playing/coaching in New York. I think the years of constantly losing and having the Media rag on him took a big toll on him.
However, it was a big mistake to sign him in the first place, if we were going to rebuild, it just didn't make sense. He always tried to win versus developing his young prospects.

Great post. When I bring this stuff up I am told that I passionately hated the former coach. Well said and accurate.

Yup, on the money.

On what money?

Marbury came into physical shape, not mental.

Marbury came into shape as trade fodder. No takers.

Lin was on the roster for how long before he played? where was he in the dog house?

MDA is gone and the haters should be happy but get some accuracy on the past.

The players of value traded were often attached to contracts that were hard to trade.

We going off on Frye who was gone. Reezy who was traded by Isiah. Hill who for the 100th time was cap fodder. NO cap, no Melo. We crying over Nate? Darko?

You forgot the lament over AR!

Let the record of MDA stand as it was but get the roster construction down right.

We had David Lee as our center. It was a problem!

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

RonRon wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

martin wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:What about the other 3 years? What a joke!

Chuck, if you can't put things into perspective, let's just stop this line of discussion.

Team was obviously removing decent players over the first 2 years to grab cap space. This has been noted and widely known forever.

So would you categorize D'Antoni's 3 1/2 seasons as Knicks coach a success or failure? Pretty simple question, no? All I keep hearing are excuses is we're rebuilding, clearing the cap for Lebron, Can't teach Nate how to play point, Duhon breaks down after how many games, don't play Marbury for whatever reason even to raise his value for trade bait, David Lee not a franchise player, can't play Jordan Hill/Corey Brewer/Timofey Mozgov/Jeremy Lin because they're not ready. Blah blah blah... Sticking to players too long, shortening rotations when he should expand, in game adjustments, End of game situations. Seriously, if you or I made this many excuses at our jobs we'd all be collecting unemployment.

Chuck Buck, is actually right, how many teams took our players, with little or not much value while in NY, and then develop in to good players and finding a role on a team?
Many were instinct, some needed more years to develop, while the players deserve some of the blame, possibly by unable to play under the pressure of NY and the Media..

Channing Frye *has developed in to a good role with the help of Nash and Gortat, even though he never played for Dantoni*
Ariza
Darko
Jordan Hill
Nate Robinson
Cory Brewer

Dantoni was crying, we have no PG the whole year, while many of us here on the message boards were waiting for Lin to finally get a shot, while the rest of the players got a chance.
Lin was on the bench the whole time, but could not break out of "DANTONI's DOGHOUSE", yes it really exists, one of the reasons I strongly hate about him.
Marbury came in the camp, in great shape, and ready to reconcile with Dantoni in Phoenix, but instead he puts him in the dog house and we lose any trade value for him.

Dantoni's stubbornness, many inabilities: to adapt to new changes, to make adjustments, to hold his players and stars accountable, to develop his young players, and unable to handle the pressure of playing/coaching in New York. I think the years of constantly losing and having the Media rag on him took a big toll on him.
However, it was a big mistake to sign him in the first place, if we were going to rebuild, it just didn't make sense. He always tried to win versus developing his young prospects.

Great post. When I bring this stuff up I am told that I passionately hated the former coach. Well said and accurate.

Yup, on the money.

On what money?

Marbury came into physical shape, not mental.

Marbury came into shape as trade fodder. No takers.

Lin was on the roster for how long before he played? where was he in the dog house?

MDA is gone and the haters should be happy but get some accuracy on the past.

The players of value traded were often attached to contracts that were hard to trade.

We going off on Frye who was gone. Reezy who was traded by Isiah. Hill who for the 100th time was cap fodder. NO cap, no Melo. We crying over Nate? Darko?

You forgot the lament over AR!

Let the record of MDA stand as it was but get the roster construction down right.

We had David Lee as our center. It was a problem!

Marbury was thrown under the bus by Isiah the season before. Prior to their altercation Marbs looked at Isiah as a mentor. He came into camp in shape and hoping to revive his career. I think it was Walsh's intention to trade him but the way D'Antoni banished him it took away any trade value. Walsh didn't want to buy the guy out. He wanted to use his expiring contract in a trade. D'Antoni had no interest in dealing with Marbs. No spin there that is how it was.

So its a stain on MDA?

So his value on draft nite was bad.

I would assume his expiring contract was not one we wanted to use to aquire a long term deal. We were clearing cap.

Marbury played in preseason and played well. He showed he still had game. He showed he was in shape.

What all gm's know was he still was marbles an nobody wanted him. Including MDA who got to see hiim in preseason. The same cancer in the locker room, the same guy that disregards the coaches.

So don't say he was not given a chance to show what he had. he showed it in preseaon. He showed it with the celtics and again the following season. The guy was not good.

Seems like MDA had lots of input on players and draft picks. Your really adding spice to things. Im not saying MDA was without fault and handled everysituation correct, but what coach does?

Next up: How MDA ruined Zbo?

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:Marbury came in shape was after draft nite. The previous season was a disaster.

So his value on draft nite was bad.

I would assume his expiring contract was not one we wanted to use to aquire a long term deal. We were clearing cap.

Marbury played in preseason and played well. He showed he still had game. He showed he was in shape.

What all gm's know was he still was marbles an nobody wanted him. Including MDA who got to see hiim in preseason. The same cancer in the locker room, the same guy that disregards the coaches.

So don't say he was not given a chance to show what he had. he showed it in preseaon. He showed it with the celtics and again the following season. The guy was not good.

Seems like MDA had lots of input on players and draft picks. Your really adding spice to things. Im not saying MDA was without fault and handled everysituation correct, but what coach does?

Next up: How MDA ruined Zbo?

Guys with talent that are troubled but talented get traded all the time. Most recently Stephen Jackson. Randolph's 12 game? tenure with D'Ant was great. Not sure I ever heard anyone make the acquisation that it wasn't. Sounds like you are reaching to defend a guy that did make some mistakes in regards to players by being extreme.

Marbury was not playing that great and his celtic tenure showed it. Not reaching. We not talking about just any player, we talking a true malcontent with a 20 million salary and diminished talent.

Stephan Jax problems are mostly wanting contract extension. AR, really?

Im defending the decison a coach has to make at the time with the information he has. NOt with the benefit of hindsight.

Thats my main point. year after year we pile on fabrications onto all the coaches we run out.

circumstances happen. MDA made mistakes and his record stands as the ultimate truth. We don't need to fabricate to justify what happened.