gunsnewing wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

RoyBatty wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:You guys are really fixated on Nash's age. Its not like we're talking about Nash being a long term solution. Saying that he's old over and over again won't change the fact that he is still one of the best PG's in the league, old or not.

Possibly giving the MLE to a guy still averaging almost 11 assists per game is not starphuching. Only Rondo has more assists and it takes him 5 more minutes per game to do it. Steve Francis was a starphuch, Nash isn't. He is still one of the best floor generals in the league.

Starphuch should apply to players who are getting paid more than they're worth, based on past success, to fill the seats, but I'll leave that up to Nalod.

Nash is a bargain if he were to accept the MLE. Probably won't but you never know.

the fixation is Nash vs Lin becaue you dont get both. So your picking 39yo over a 22 yo. Bad call

You offer Nash the MLE and offer to sign Lin for less. Lin has a chance to learn from one of the greatest PGs to ever play the game and if he learns enough he takes over for Nash eventually. I don't consider it a given that he is the future and right now in the present Nash is a much better PG for the roster we have.

What if we can't make it work numbers-wise? That's the question right. We hope for a sunny day where both Lin and Nash can be accommodated financially, but assuming them as maximizing economic actors, we have to assume it might not be possible .

Who do we choose?

I understand its a possibility that Lin could walk. My problem is that some posters (not necessarily you) are treating Lin like he is the second coming of Rondo based on Linsanity. Lin still has to develop.

What we need right now is a PG who can put Melo, Stat and everyone else, on the same page. If one of the greatest PGs ever is available for very little, and still playing at a high level, I think you have to go for it. I don't want to kick the can down the road any longer. To me penciling Lin is as the starter when his skills as PG aren't there yet is doing just that.

Most young players need to develop. Wben was the last time we developed one Patrick Ewing 30years ago? Whats wrong with letting a 23yr old develop? Nash didnt develop until he hit 30. Lin is ahead of the game.

Its about this roster. On a team with younger players who aren't in a win now mode, sure. This team was constructed to win now, not wait for a starting PG to develop. Thats why all the cap space was cleared out and those big contracts were signed.

Its a guess how healthy the big three can stay and for how long. I don't see them being a force after a couple of seasons. Too much competition out there. As for Nash, he was one of the best PGs in the league before he joined the Suns. He became arguably the best for a few years after that.

GustavBahler wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

RoyBatty wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:You guys are really fixated on Nash's age. Its not like we're talking about Nash being a long term solution. Saying that he's old over and over again won't change the fact that he is still one of the best PG's in the league, old or not.

Possibly giving the MLE to a guy still averaging almost 11 assists per game is not starphuching. Only Rondo has more assists and it takes him 5 more minutes per game to do it. Steve Francis was a starphuch, Nash isn't. He is still one of the best floor generals in the league.

Starphuch should apply to players who are getting paid more than they're worth, based on past success, to fill the seats, but I'll leave that up to Nalod.

Nash is a bargain if he were to accept the MLE. Probably won't but you never know.

the fixation is Nash vs Lin becaue you dont get both. So your picking 39yo over a 22 yo. Bad call

You offer Nash the MLE and offer to sign Lin for less. Lin has a chance to learn from one of the greatest PGs to ever play the game and if he learns enough he takes over for Nash eventually. I don't consider it a given that he is the future and right now in the present Nash is a much better PG for the roster we have.

What if we can't make it work numbers-wise? That's the question right. We hope for a sunny day where both Lin and Nash can be accommodated financially, but assuming them as maximizing economic actors, we have to assume it might not be possible .

Who do we choose?

I understand its a possibility that Lin could walk. My problem is that some posters (not necessarily you) are treating Lin like he is the second coming of Rondo based on Linsanity. Lin still has to develop.

What we need right now is a PG who can put Melo, Stat and everyone else, on the same page. If one of the greatest PGs ever is available for very little, and still playing at a high level, I think you have to go for it. I don't want to kick the can down the road any longer. To me penciling Lin is as the starter when his skills as PG aren't there yet is doing just that.

Most young players need to develop. Wben was the last time we developed one Patrick Ewing 30years ago? Whats wrong with letting a 23yr old develop? Nash didnt develop until he hit 30. Lin is ahead of the game.

Its about this roster. On a team with younger players who aren't in a win now mode, sure. This team was constructed to win now, not wait for a starting PG to develop. Thats why all the cap space was cleared out and those big contracts were signed.

Its a guess how healthy the big three can stay and for how long. I don't see them being a force after a couple of seasons. Too much competition out there. As for Nash, he was one of the best PGs in the league before he joined the Suns. He became arguably the best for a few years after that.

I think this is a fair assessment:
Nash: played like a all-star to superstar last year. His game will likely deteriorate a little each year but is unlikely to fall down rapidly.
Lin: played well for a small sample of games; is currently recovering from a substantial knee injury and surgery.

No one has a crystal ball but I think we're more likely to maximize our PG production over the next 1 to 2 seasons by going with Nash.

gunsnewing wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Why because Lin had a minicus tear? There is a 40-60% tyson chandler and melo have season ending injuries. And 85% for Amare. I rather deal with a Lin injury because he will come back from it then a Nash career ending injury and then still play him and hav it count against the cap for 5yrs

So when calculating who is the better gamble, you would give zero weight to Lin's injury? I know people despise the concept of sample size here but you're giving way too much weight to the sample of about one-third of one season that we have from Lin. People are making statistically naive mistakes because they are attached to Lin.

Im not sure but when you figure out the exact scientific calculation of the percentage of chance of which one goes down let me know. All I can do is guess right now. My money is on 40yr old nash who is do for an acl tear or forced to retire with a bad back

GustavBahler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

RoyBatty wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:You guys are really fixated on Nash's age. Its not like we're talking about Nash being a long term solution. Saying that he's old over and over again won't change the fact that he is still one of the best PG's in the league, old or not.

Possibly giving the MLE to a guy still averaging almost 11 assists per game is not starphuching. Only Rondo has more assists and it takes him 5 more minutes per game to do it. Steve Francis was a starphuch, Nash isn't. He is still one of the best floor generals in the league.

Starphuch should apply to players who are getting paid more than they're worth, based on past success, to fill the seats, but I'll leave that up to Nalod.

Nash is a bargain if he were to accept the MLE. Probably won't but you never know.

the fixation is Nash vs Lin becaue you dont get both. So your picking 39yo over a 22 yo. Bad call

You offer Nash the MLE and offer to sign Lin for less. Lin has a chance to learn from one of the greatest PGs to ever play the game and if he learns enough he takes over for Nash eventually. I don't consider it a given that he is the future and right now in the present Nash is a much better PG for the roster we have.

What if we can't make it work numbers-wise? That's the question right. We hope for a sunny day where both Lin and Nash can be accommodated financially, but assuming them as maximizing economic actors, we have to assume it might not be possible .

Who do we choose?

I understand its a possibility that Lin could walk. My problem is that some posters (not necessarily you) are treating Lin like he is the second coming of Rondo based on Linsanity. Lin still has to develop.

What we need right now is a PG who can put Melo, Stat and everyone else, on the same page. If one of the greatest PGs ever is available for very little, and still playing at a high level, I think you have to go for it. I don't want to kick the can down the road any longer. To me penciling Lin is as the starter when his skills as PG aren't there yet is doing just that.

Most young players need to develop. Wben was the last time we developed one Patrick Ewing 30years ago? Whats wrong with letting a 23yr old develop? Nash didnt develop until he hit 30. Lin is ahead of the game.

Its about this roster. On a team with younger players who aren't in a win now mode, sure. This team was constructed to win now, not wait for a starting PG to develop. Thats why all the cap space was cleared out and those big contracts were signed.

Its a guess how healthy the big three can stay and for how long. I don't see them being a force after a couple of seasons. Too much competition out there. As for Nash, he was one of the best PGs in the league before he joined the Suns. He became arguably the best for a few years after that.

I'd rather do a genuine rebuild but I definitely don't want the team to be stuck somewhere in between rebuilding and winning now. If we're going to try to win now, as might as well get the players who will maximize our production at each position over the next 1 to 2 seasons.

I think this is a fair assessment:
Nash: played like a all-star to superstar last year. His game will likely deteriorate a little each year but is unlikely to fall down rapidly.
Lin: played well for a small sample of games; is currently recovering from a substantial knee injury and surgery.

No one has a crystal ball but I think we're more likely to maximize our PG production over the next 1 to 2 seasons by going with Nash.

Well put. I don't see us getting closer to beating the Bulls or the Heat after a couple of seasons for a variety or reasons. Like I said, very few veteran players I would consider giving Lin up for. Its just that the jump in production and leadership Nash would bring to the Knicks would be too much to pass up IMO.

yellowboy90 wrote:I think people are overreacting to one game(Lin Vs Heat) and the coaches lack of adjustments during that game. A young player getting nervous it happens. You never know what next year will bring. If the front office is smart they can get good players to surround Lin, Shumpert, Melo, STAt, Chandler, and etc. I guess the key is Smart.