DJMUSIC wrote:

fishmike wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:Corey Brewer in 12 minutes has 18 points on 8-10 shooting and played GREAT defense

I was really not against MDA until last year when they were getting killed defensively and (among other things) he refused to play Brewer.

On this board many were extremely upset and many said "who cares, its corey Brewer".

Well ... corey brewer turned out to be a very good player. Did not make any sense.

Jordan Hill - people wanna say he is a stiff, maybe he is but he is certainly playing much much better. Tonight, the stats don't show it but he was the only Laker big who actually played well and played excellent defense. I can understand why MDA did not play him - not sure about the trade though.

Your 125% right but recall MDA had no use for defenders like Brewer or lost post offense & occasional d' from Z-Bo Zack

MDA wont get another NBA job next season. Maybe in 2014 & hope its with Charlotte Bobcats

total garbage posts from you guys. Funny though. Lets make up a magical world.

Say what you want Fish
M.D'Antoni hasnt been a good coach in say 4 yrs ?
too bad its all in NewYork

He quit on NY Knicks plain and simple, & for his ardent fan support here believes for bo-diddly second
That D'Antoni cared about you, & me and NewYork City peoples and fans of Knicks ? eh ?

Well I'll leave that one ..for all to ponder

Cool $24 mil bucks for a coach whom once starred as a Coach
who could care less for Knickerbockers traditions or its fans which MDA took on many times in the Ny media press.

And that ain't magical my friend that is fact!

Anthony said over the last three games, his focus “was to have an energy that I haven’t had so far this season.”

“Especially on the defensive end,” Anthony said. “Everybody on this team knows, everybody in the world knows I can score the basketball. It’s not that important to me. As far as on the defensive end, just showing my teammates that the effort is there, giving that extra effort. And as a result, everybody’s been feeding off of that.”

But Im sure that will all change under the new great coach in Woodson, who is looking forward to Carmelo "showing up in better shape."

But yea.. it was the coach

fishmike wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:

fishmike wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:Corey Brewer in 12 minutes has 18 points on 8-10 shooting and played GREAT defense

I was really not against MDA until last year when they were getting killed defensively and (among other things) he refused to play Brewer.

On this board many were extremely upset and many said "who cares, its corey Brewer".

Well ... corey brewer turned out to be a very good player. Did not make any sense.

Jordan Hill - people wanna say he is a stiff, maybe he is but he is certainly playing much much better. Tonight, the stats don't show it but he was the only Laker big who actually played well and played excellent defense. I can understand why MDA did not play him - not sure about the trade though.

Your 125% right but recall MDA had no use for defenders like Brewer or lost post offense & occasional d' from Z-Bo Zack

MDA wont get another NBA job next season. Maybe in 2014 & hope its with Charlotte Bobcats

total garbage posts from you guys. Funny though. Lets make up a magical world.

Say what you want Fish
M.D'Antoni hasnt been a good coach in say 4 yrs ?
too bad its all in NewYork

He quit on NY Knicks plain and simple, & for his ardent fan support here believes for bo-diddly second
That D'Antoni cared about you, & me and NewYork City peoples and fans of Knicks ? eh ?

Well I'll leave that one ..for all to ponder

Cool $24 mil bucks for a coach whom once starred as a Coach
who could care less for Knickerbockers traditions or its fans which MDA took on many times in the Ny media press.

And that ain't magical my friend that is fact!

he didnt quit on the Knicks. The best star player whos jock your currently living quit on that coach and quit on his team. But spin that anyway you want.

Anthony said over the last three games, his focus “was to have an energy that I haven’t had so far this season.”

“Especially on the defensive end,” Anthony said. “Everybody on this team knows, everybody in the world knows I can score the basketball. It’s not that important to me. As far as on the defensive end, just showing my teammates that the effort is there, giving that extra effort. And as a result, everybody’s been feeding off of that.”

those are Melo's words. MDA had class to walk away. Sorry thats bottom line. Its the right move to make when your $19mm a year employee just doesnt want to try very hard.

But Im sure that will all change under the new great coach in Woodson, who is looking forward to Carmelo "showing up in better shape."

But yea.. it was the coach

But what about 121-167 and 18-24 this year? Was all 4 years and $24 million dollars worth of ineptitude Carmelo or the Coach just flat out losing?

Let's hear the next excuse. I'll have a good response for that one too.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Mike D'antoni was consistently losing in New York long before Carmelo came.

Let's hear the next excuse. I'll have a good response for that one too.

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:If close to 4 years of bad coaching isn't a good sample size, I don't know what is?

8 years of playoff failure from the guy we are building our "contender" around. Comfortable with that sample size?

We can do this all day. Its been fun though. Thanks

So you're saying George Karl is a loser too...I guess that's accurate.

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:If close to 4 years of bad coaching isn't a good sample size, I don't know what is?

8 years of playoff failure from the guy we are building our "contender" around. Comfortable with that sample size?

We can do this all day. Its been fun though. Thanks

So you're saying George Karl is a loser too...I guess that's accurate.

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:If close to 4 years of bad coaching isn't a good sample size, I don't know what is?

8 years of playoff failure from the guy we are building our "contender" around. Comfortable with that sample size?

We can do this all day. Its been fun though. Thanks

So you're saying George Karl is a loser too...I guess that's accurate.

never mentioned loser. Thats your word. George Karl is a good coach. Good.

Guess he's "good" enough to getthats actually been my point all along. Build a team around Melo and it will be good enough to get you in, probably every year. Thats very solid. The guy can and does carry teams.... for stretches. But those stretches dont extend past game 82.

That is the definition of Melo's NBA career.

So what changes? We got the new coach that he loves, and after 2 months of being the head coach his feedback is Melo is out of shape. This doesnt bother anyone else?

Hey.. I still think this team has elite level potential.

But thats assuming Lin/Shumpert forms a dynamic high caliber backcourt. Could that happen? yes
Can Melo accept a "team first" role? Boy that seems to be the question doesnt it?
Can Melo/Stat be effective? and if not why is Stat the one getting kicked to the curb? Didnt he lead the NBA in 4th qtr scoring last year or most of it? Doesnt he average well over 50% FGs for his career? Hasnt he been the primary scorer for a team that has made deep playoff runs in the West?

My hope is a healthy Lin is a key to the Knicks. He's heady and crafty and most importantly he's smart and seems able to manage the egos of hig caliber teammates.

Im a Knick fan. Isiah is gone. There is always hope. you to the playoffs, not much else.

Nalod wrote:

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:If close to 4 years of bad coaching isn't a good sample size, I don't know what is?

8 years of playoff failure from the guy we are building our "contender" around. Comfortable with that sample size?

We can do this all day. Its been fun though. Thanks

So you're saying George Karl is a loser too...I guess that's accurate.

never mentioned loser. Thats your word. George Karl is a good coach. Good.

Guess he's "good" enough to getthats actually been my point all along. Build a team around Melo and it will be good enough to get you in, probably every year. Thats very solid. The guy can and does carry teams.... for stretches. But those stretches dont extend past game 82.

That is the definition of Melo's NBA career.

So what changes? We got the new coach that he loves, and after 2 months of being the head coach his feedback is Melo is out of shape. This doesnt bother anyone else?

Hey.. I still think this team has elite level potential.

But thats assuming Lin/Shumpert forms a dynamic high caliber backcourt. Could that happen? yes
Can Melo accept a "team first" role? Boy that seems to be the question doesnt it?
Can Melo/Stat be effective? and if not why is Stat the one getting kicked to the curb? Didnt he lead the NBA in 4th qtr scoring last year or most of it? Doesnt he average well over 50% FGs for his career? Hasnt he been the primary scorer for a team that has made deep playoff runs in the West?

My hope is a healthy Lin is a key to the Knicks. He's heady and crafty and most importantly he's smart and seems able to manage the egos of hig caliber teammates.

Im a Knick fan. Isiah is gone. There is always hope. you to the playoffs, not much else.

I think I like the drama that is all things knicks as much as the games!

The event that was "Linsanity" was bigger than anything!

out Team is a trip!

Fish, don't sweat it. Hate to use the "S" word but some fans just are "StarPhuched" and StarMelo trumps all.

Karl is the problem for Denver, not the star player they had for 8 years.

The "Players around him" are never good enough. We heard that before.

We change coaches in KNickLand like we change phone companies and the result is always wanting.

If your not a koolaid drinking taking it in the azz starphucker then its pure hate.

Im a "centrist starphucher hater"!

There, its a new clarificaton!

Since when did George Karl do anything of consequence? Last time he did anything is when his stacked Seattle Sonics team lost to Jordan's Bulls in the NBA Finals 16 years ago. None of those first round exits with Denver, Milwaukee, and Seattle are Karl's fault either? Karl's always had star or solid players and could never get them over the hump:

Gary Payton
Shawn Kemp
Detlef Schrempf
Hersey Hawkins
Nate McMillan
Ray Allen
Glenn Robinson
Sam Cassell
Carmelo Anthony
Allen Iverson
Kenyon Martin
Marcus Camby
Chauncey Billups
Nene
Ty Lawson
Danilo Galinari
Kenneth Faried

etc....

So maybe this question is finally answered. Maybe we should look further back than Melo's 8 years and look at Karl's coaching career instead. He's had all this talent, some are Hall of Fame worthy, and still hasn't sniffed a ring. I'll take the bigger sample size anyday!

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Mike D'antoni was consistently losing in New York long before Carmelo came.

Let's hear the next excuse. I'll have a good response for that one too.

probably the same excuse for Melo's career .200 winning % in the playoffs right? He didnt have the right supporting cast. Funny how that goes both ways

But Mike D'antoni did have a championship caliber cast. It was in Phoenix, led by a 2 time MVP. Melo never had a cast that strong.

Why didn't he win?

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Mike D'antoni was consistently losing in New York long before Carmelo came.

Let's hear the next excuse. I'll have a good response for that one too.

probably the same excuse for Melo's career .200 winning % in the playoffs right? He didnt have the right supporting cast. Funny how that goes both ways

But Mike D'antoni did have a championship caliber cast. It was in Phoenix, led by a 2 time MVP. Melo never had a cast that strong.

Why didn't he win?

Great point. I wonder why there isn't a response. Two or three allstars plus the mvp just isn't enough I guess.

I am pretty sure Melo played with 2 MVPs: Iverson and Billups. If they weren't MVPs of season then they sure were during playoffs. And he played with plenty of part time all stars.

And let's not forgot that the PHO teams beat other teams that had MVPs and 2 all stars and a much better support cast: Lakers and Spurs.

Those PHX teams were miles better than the Denver teams and IVerson and/or Billups are so far from Nash's jock strap it is scary.

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Mike D'antoni was consistently losing in New York long before Carmelo came.

Let's hear the next excuse. I'll have a good response for that one too.

probably the same excuse for Melo's career .200 winning % in the playoffs right? He didnt have the right supporting cast. Funny how that goes both ways

But Mike D'antoni did have a championship caliber cast. It was in Phoenix, led by a 2 time MVP. Melo never had a cast that strong.

Why didn't he win?

Great point. I wonder why there isn't a response. Two or three allstars plus the mvp just isn't enough I guess.

I am pretty sure Melo played with 2 MVPs: Iverson and Billups. If they weren't MVPs of season then they sure were during playoffs. And he played with plenty of part time all stars.

And let's not forgot that the PHO teams beat other teams that had MVPs and 2 all stars and a much better support cast: Lakers and Spurs.

You're joking right? Iverson's career basically ended in Denver. Billups wasn't a regular season mvp and it would be hard to make the argument that he was a top 15 player the year he won finals mvp. Comparing washed up Billups and Iverson to a young Marion, Stoudemire and for part of the time Joe Johnson is more than a stretch.

And when they finally got billups they got as far as PHX with much less talent - the WCF's