Felton to me has "Backup" written on his forehead.

If our coaches like him and he fits financially, I'd bring him back.

gunsnewing wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:The Felton I remember as a Knick called his own number too much, couldn't run the P&R with Stat, or stay in shape. We need to find a real floor general to make these pieces fit.

Nash taking another offer or staying in Phoenix shouldn't stop the Knicks from trying to get some veteran leadership at point. I know some posters want to crown Lin the heir apparent but he still needs seasoning. Lin would do well to learn from a veteran PG.

everyone understands we need to add a young backup pg who can push the temple or a veteran so Lins minutes can be kept around 30-35 to prolong his knick career anx give us better depth then just mike bibby

I don't believe Lin is ready to take this team to a title for another couple of seasons. If anything he should be coming off the bench in favor of a veteran PG who can still run an offense. Lin still has a bad habit of telegraphing his passes, and the rest of the league has his game scoped out now so he has some work to do.

As I've said before, this team as constructed doesn't have a very long shelf life. I'd rather this squad was led by an experienced veteran who has been doing it year in and year out (healthier than Bibby) while Lin is groomed to take over if he can prove that he can do it.

If Linsanity never ended I would be all for starting him from day one but it did, quite abruptly. It was a great run but not enough to make him the unquestioned starter for the next 6-10 years. He still has to prove that he can do it. If he shows up for camp and has elevated his game as a floor general then I'd be willing to reconsider my stance.

GustavBahler wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:The Felton I remember as a Knick called his own number too much, couldn't run the P&R with Stat, or stay in shape. We need to find a real floor general to make these pieces fit.

Nash taking another offer or staying in Phoenix shouldn't stop the Knicks from trying to get some veteran leadership at point. I know some posters want to crown Lin the heir apparent but he still needs seasoning. Lin would do well to learn from a veteran PG.

everyone understands we need to add a young backup pg who can push the temple or a veteran so Lins minutes can be kept around 30-35 to prolong his knick career anx give us better depth then just mike bibby

I don't believe Lin is ready to take this team to a title for another couple of seasons. If anything he should be coming off the bench in favor of a veteran PG who can still run an offense. Lin still has a bad habit of telegraphing his passes, and the rest of the league has his game scoped out now so he has some work to do.

As I've said before, this team as constructed doesn't have a very long shelf life. I'd rather this squad was led by an experienced veteran who has been doing it year in and year out (healthier than Bibby) while Lin is groomed to take over if he can prove that he can do it.

If Linsanity never ended I would be all for starting him from day one but it did, quite abruptly. It was a great run but not enough to make him the unquestioned starter for the next 6-10 years. He still has to prove that he can do it. If he shows up for camp and has elevated his game as a floor general then I'd be willing to reconsider my stance.

TymeLessKnicks wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

TymeLessKnicks wrote:Linsanity occurred under MDA, never forget that.

I have high doubts he can reach those levels great play under this Melo ISO offense.

Nash makes Nash good

Lin makes Lin good

TD made TD bad

Felton got fat

Or how about this one...

Nash became the Nash we know after playing for MDA. They never really changed the system in Phoenix.

Lin played well (although super high turnovers) under MDA's offense. It was very evident of MDA's style and the closest thing we have had since Felton ran it.

Who is TD?

nope? Nash was a beast in Phoenix and Cuban let him go because he felt it was stifling Dirk's development. Dude was already averaging 20 and a crap load of assists.

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Ok maybe he declines at 33-35. That still gives you an 8yr window. You really think he will be shot by 3°?

It's impossible to say. The average player peaks at 25 statistically and then declines gradually, with a sharp decline occurring around 30 (and average is the most common, probable scenario). People become reassured that you can defy age when they see the rare examples of players in their early 30s playing at a great level but those are just rare examples.

I assume you meant 30, not 3 degrees!

gunsnewing wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Ok maybe he declines at 33-35. That still gives you an 8yr window. You really think he will be shot by 3°?

It's impossible to say. The average player peaks at 25 statistically and then declines gradually, with a sharp decline occurring around 30 (and average is the most common, probable scenario). People become reassured that you can defy age when they see the rare examples of players in their early 30s playing at a great level but those are just rare examples.

I assume you meant 30, not 3 degrees!

lol yes 30. So you are saying paul pierce who is kobe physically declined at 30? He is almost 40 now and still the best player on his team that consists of garnett and ray allen. If you want to tell me smaller guards not named nash & kidd decline in their early 30s then fine. Not a 6'9 sf/pf

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Ok maybe he declines at 33-35. That still gives you an 8yr window. You really think he will be shot by 3°?

It's impossible to say. The average player peaks at 25 statistically and then declines gradually, with a sharp decline occurring around 30 (and average is the most common, probable scenario). People become reassured that you can defy age when they see the rare examples of players in their early 30s playing at a great level but those are just rare examples.

I assume you meant 30, not 3 degrees!

A few people have said Melo is kind of like Paul Pierce, and he's still going strong at 34/35. Amar'e is a bigger concern though- this is an important offseason for him, depending on whether he can modify his game to prolong his career.

I may go off and start a "Where's Duhon?" thread...