gunsnewing wrote:

nixluva wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Vmart wrote:

ATrain wrote:I agree 10,000%. He should be welcomed to continue as an assistant though

gunsnewing wrote:Amazing when was the last time a Knicks coach had a stretch of 18-6 against tough teams oh wait JVG

I wouldn't mind JVG if he'd like to come back.

That 18-6 was awesome but the loss to Cleveland let me know everything I needed to know.

1 really bad game? How about the losses to the 2 losses each to the Raptors & bucks? Losses to the bobcats, hornets, wizards, cavs, suns, rockets, nuggets, warriors, Nets? All under Dantoni that helped bury the team and cement a 7th seed 1st round matchup with the best team in the NBA?

I can bet that if Melo had played worth a damn all year that it would've made a huge difference in those games. The team got back to .500 and Melo promptly destroyed the momentum they had when he came back!! KILLED IT DEAD!!! 2-8 when Melo came back. Then Melo decides to play hard and the team goes on a win streak, but the offense devolves into ISO Melo and we see that we have a real problem going forward.

Melo wasn't trying early in the season when he put up a few 30+ point games before the risk injury?

Jacking up shots isn't necessarily trying to play team ball and win. He only risked injury cuz he wasn't in great shape which was his own fault. Basically everything that happened to Melo was his own doing. He can't lay blame on anyone else for his failure to lead his team to winning the Div. Title this year. We were only a few wins short of doing that so all those AWFUL games he played for most of the season is what ultimately killed the teams chances. People want to lay it on MDA, but MDA put the ball in his hands and said lead this team!!! No coach can bestow more opportunity to a player than that.

You don't have to dig very deep to know why this team didn't win more games this year. This is why:

     MIN FGM-FGA    FG%	     3PM-3PA	3P%	FTM-FTA	FT%	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
Jan 35.6  8.3-21.1  .393	1.4-4.4	.311	5.4-6.8	.789	6.7	4.6	0.4	1.3	2.4	3.4	23.3
Feb 31.5  6.1-15.4  .398	0.6-2.3	.278	3.6-4.4	.829	4.0	3.4	0.5	0.8	2.4	2.1	16.5
Mar 32.1  6.7-16.2  .415	0.9-3.3	.268	5.1-6.5	.782	6.3	3.0	0.5	1.3	3.0	2.3	19.4

You can add in that Melo's inability to succeed while also raising the level of play of his teammates is another reason. He really never did anything to help STAT succeed or Tyson for that matter. For a guy that has the ball as much as he does he has the obligation to make sure his teammates thrive as well. That's all MDA was trying to teach him. That was the whole idea of learning how to get the ball in the post and look for his teammates too. But you've got to TRULY WANT to grow as a player and to accept new things that will help you as a leader. Melo balked at it and finally got his way and now as a team we're stuck in LIMBO. Our other 2 big money players can't thrive playing Melo ball and we can't win that way either.
Woody bet it all on Melo and it came up snake eyes. He should've tried to make Melo see the benefits of team ball at the same time as giving him some ISO.

nixluva wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Vmart wrote:

ATrain wrote:I agree 10,000%. He should be welcomed to continue as an assistant though

gunsnewing wrote:Amazing when was the last time a Knicks coach had a stretch of 18-6 against tough teams oh wait JVG

I wouldn't mind JVG if he'd like to come back.

That 18-6 was awesome but the loss to Cleveland let me know everything I needed to know.

1 really bad game? How about the losses to the 2 losses each to the Raptors & bucks? Losses to the bobcats, hornets, wizards, cavs, suns, rockets, nuggets, warriors, Nets? All under Dantoni that helped bury the team and cement a 7th seed 1st round matchup with the best team in the NBA?

I can bet that if Melo had played worth a damn all year that it would've made a huge difference in those games. The team got back to .500 and Melo promptly destroyed the momentum they had when he came back!! KILLED IT DEAD!!! 2-8 when Melo came back. Then Melo decides to play hard and the team goes on a win streak, but the offense devolves into ISO Melo and we see that we have a real problem going forward.

If the coach don't coach worth a DAMN and he don't talk to da playas den da playas don't look like day give a damn cause day don't know what hell do give a damn about

Question:

What was the schedule before he came back and what was the schedule after huh? What? I didn't hear you! Can you say it louder?

Go ahead, run away - run Nixluva run!

franco12 wrote:I appreciate what he did during the regular season. Truly impressive.

And he had a lot to deal with this series- injuries and all.

And Miami simply outclassed us talent wise.

But they just ripped us apart every game, like the knicks had no idea how to do basic things like play defense.

Phil Jackson for 2 years- that is the window with this squad- and I would offer him $10M+ per year.

Woodson can be option C.

Papabear Says

Getting Phil Jackson won't come because the Knicks do not have the components for a championship team. We don't have the pieces. When phil Jackson had the Bulls and the Lakers there were probably 10 coaches in the league could win a ring with Michael Jordan and Kobe. He had the best players. Coming here would ruin his reputation.

The same fans want to give it Woodson because of 18-5 regular season record and they act like the world of coaching is limited to PJax, MDA and Woodson. So we give him the job, then what? 3 more years of coaching one side of the ball? Because a handful of idiots need to avenge hiring MDA by making an equal and opposite dumb move?

People who wantEd to award the job to everyone from Mark Jackson, to Avery ajohnson to every other wannabe coach just to get rid of MDA, now can't wait long enough to look at other coaches?

Keep making the same type of bad decision when hiring a coach and the expect different results each time. Like Dolan, like fans. Stupid is as stupid does.

nixluva wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

nixluva wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Vmart wrote:

ATrain wrote:I agree 10,000%. He should be welcomed to continue as an assistant though

gunsnewing wrote:Amazing when was the last time a Knicks coach had a stretch of 18-6 against tough teams oh wait JVG

I wouldn't mind JVG if he'd like to come back.

That 18-6 was awesome but the loss to Cleveland let me know everything I needed to know.

1 really bad game? How about the losses to the 2 losses each to the Raptors & bucks? Losses to the bobcats, hornets, wizards, cavs, suns, rockets, nuggets, warriors, Nets? All under Dantoni that helped bury the team and cement a 7th seed 1st round matchup with the best team in the NBA?

I can bet that if Melo had played worth a damn all year that it would've made a huge difference in those games. The team got back to .500 and Melo promptly destroyed the momentum they had when he came back!! KILLED IT DEAD!!! 2-8 when Melo came back. Then Melo decides to play hard and the team goes on a win streak, but the offense devolves into ISO Melo and we see that we have a real problem going forward.

Melo wasn't trying early in the season when he put up a few 30+ point games before the risk injury?

Jacking up shots isn't necessarily trying to play team ball and win. He only risked injury cuz he wasn't in great shape which was his own fault. Basically everything that happened to Melo was his own doing. He can't lay blame on anyone else for his failure to lead his team to winning the Div. Title this year. We were only a few wins short of doing that so all those AWFUL games he played for most of the season is what ultimately killed the teams chances. People want to lay it on MDA, but MDA put the ball in his hands and said lead this team!!! No coach can bestow more opportunity to a player than that.

You don't have to dig very deep to know why this team didn't win more games this year. This is why:

     MIN FGM-FGA    FG%	     3PM-3PA	3P%	FTM-FTA	FT%	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
Jan 35.6  8.3-21.1  .393	1.4-4.4	.311	5.4-6.8	.789	6.7	4.6	0.4	1.3	2.4	3.4	23.3
Feb 31.5  6.1-15.4  .398	0.6-2.3	.278	3.6-4.4	.829	4.0	3.4	0.5	0.8	2.4	2.1	16.5
Mar 32.1  6.7-16.2  .415	0.9-3.3	.268	5.1-6.5	.782	6.3	3.0	0.5	1.3	3.0	2.3	19.4

You can add in that Melo's inability to succeed while also raising the level of play of his teammates is another reason. He really never did anything to help STAT succeed or Tyson for that matter. For a guy that has the ball as much as he does he has the obligation to make sure his teammates thrive as well. That's all MDA was trying to teach him. That was the whole idea of learning how to get the ball in the post and look for his teammates too. But you've got to TRULY WANT to grow as a player and to accept new things that will help you as a leader. Melo balked at it and finally got his way and now as a team we're stuck in LIMBO. Our other 2 big money players can't thrive playing Melo ball and we can't win that way either.
Woody bet it all on Melo and it came up snake eyes. He should've tried to make Melo see the benefits of team ball at the same time as giving him some ISO.

Me and you were having a pretty-good back forth in the other thread where we were discussing similar issues. Why not address what I said to you in that thread? You are alwasy quik to call people out for not responding to your post....

ATrain wrote:

franco12 wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:He's coming back. It's over. Dolan runs this show and his new yes-man (Grunwald) is giving Dolan A+ grades to Woodson.

this is the other reason I don't want Woodson back.

I'll root for him, and this team for a while longer- but Dolan is really a test of fan loyalty.

He really really is. He better be careful if he doesn't want to lose fans to them Brooklyn boys.

Hey, no. Whatever happened to that true knicks fans going on? Our player suck, we support them. Our coach suck, we support them. Our owner suck, we support them. Being a Knicks fan means blind faith, at least that's what many say.