Knicks1969 wrote:How the hell is Shump a great defender???? It appears that most of you don't even know what defense is

that was what he was drafted for, is a great DEFENDER now, NO

We were fully expected to eventually contend
But that the reason he was drafted to defend the likes of

Heat
Dwade/Lebron

Boston
Rajon Rhondo/Allen/Pierce

Chicago
Derrick Rose

We would have never drafted Faried because he is a 6-6 PF
Pairing Faired with

STAT
Faried
CA

with the G's that we had to go through in order to contend, we drafted based on need for the future along with hopes on Iman being possibly being a PG with Billups helping his development as a BIG PG
Of course the amnesty did no exist yet and things would change but the plan was to still get CP3 at the time

So I could understand and I personally like the pick myself at the time
With many on the message board here at UK, we were all convinced/influenced by Briggs to draft Vucevic, however, he was drafted ONE pick before us

Jimmy Butler has developed rather nicely but he was actually a SF that was developed by The Bulls into a SG, especially whiles Derrick Rose has been injured much, his role expanded to the player he is today
My point is, our development coaches/system was horrible, I truly believe if Iman was drafted by The Bull's, that he would have a totally different career as well
Just like Trevor Ariza, Channing Frye, Jordan Hill, all player right now that were drafted by the Knick's, and have developed as solid players once they were moved earlier in this careers
No these guys are not ALL STAR's but players like Ariza helps teams win Rings and that is the type of impact that I think Iman can have had he developed in the right situation and not suffer the injury he did in his rookie year

It isn't fair, to go back and say we should have draft this and this, and expect them to have developed the same exact way if we had drafted them
And this is why I give much credit to someone like Briggs here, who constantly is giving his input on a player prior to them being drafted instead of many here who goes back and says we should have did such and such

It is easy to say we should have did this and this after all is said and done but to make a bold prediction prior to it happning is another

Nalod wrote:

alwaysaknick wrote:Apparently Manimal was a better pick looking back.

Shumpert never reach the expectation, which certain extent is our fault. We aim too high.

Thats just fans aiming. Im sure if we had him we'd complain a lot about his offensive limits.
We'd also build him up as well.

Remember that players are not valued by us.

I am sorry folks, Faried's game represents NY. He goes hard every freaking game and will give you a double double every time he steps on the court. What's not to like? Some on this board are in love with a bunch deadman walking, cats who play without a heart, but they are not in the majority.

Faried= a better version of Xavier McDaniel

Nalod wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

alwaysaknick wrote:Apparently Manimal was a better pick looking back.

Shumpert never reach the expectation, which certain extent is our fault. We aim too high.

Thats just fans aiming. Im sure if we had him we'd complain a lot about his offensive limits.
We'd also build him up as well.

Remember that players are not valued by us.

I am sorry folks, Faried's game represents NY. He goes hard every freaking game and will give you a double double every time he steps on the court. What's not to like? Some on this board are in love with a bunch deadman walking, cats who play without a heart, but they are not in the majority.

Faried= a better version of Xavier McDaniel

Don't be sorry. I kind of agree. We tend to build up our prospects only to be disappointed in them in part because the team does not develop yoot.

Faried is a modern Oakley with a Rodman Motor.

Oakley was mean dude; Faried is very kind

Nalod wrote:Oak had his moments for sure and time has engrained his reputation. I don't think he slapped guys every nite nor snarled all the time as we'd like to remember. Kind of like Jordans Youtube memory has him never missing a shot or playing a bad game!

Faried doe not have have the intimidation thing to his game. Neither Did Rodman. Rodman was gazelle.

I would trade all of the guards and the entire front court for this dude