mrKnickShot wrote:

Nalod wrote:Annibus......

The wildcard might be the draft picks not just Your boy Gallo.

Then, as now I think you gotta give it 5 years to look back.

Year one we were projecting .500 or better and would have made the playoffs without Melo. Swept.
Year two we are no better.

Now if you talking the future thats a different story.

I think your looking at the pieces looking to make yourself feel better and boster your MeloLove.

The bottom line is Denver is rebuilding on the fly without stars and have great flex and draft picks.

All the while, they are no better but more important, NOT WORSE doing so.

Thats the direction they wanted to go. They felt like Melo was a star they could/did not want to pay and perhaps felt they would never win a championship with.

Year two they are in the playoffs again and they traded their star for what you percieve was less than full value.

Nobody is crying over AR being in Minny. At least teh Darko cries are done.

Where are "They Now"? Funny, about the same place we are.

So the question is, was it really worth it?

And suppose it was not worth it and dumb jimmy gave up more picks than he needed to and out bid himself just like he did with Amare, what now? We just complain about how dumb he is endlessly? That certainly won't help me feel better. The trade is over - we can look at it in a couple of years and see how the teams ended up but no use over crying and regurgitating this over and over.

I don't bring this stuff up by I comment. the trade is done. I don't get why folk still trying to sell us on StarMelo.

5 years from now, the Nuggets will not even be what they were back when Melo and Chauncy had them sniffing the conference finals.

They will continue to be a second rate franchise in a second rate city in a state that cares more about high school/college football than basketball.

Please, can't we say goodbye to Gallo the way this board has finally and thankfully let DLee go into NBA oblivion?

We talking 'bout Denver? I mean, we talking about Denver?

Nalod wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Whining and endless regurgitation is what NY fans and the media that feeds them the negative pablum they spit up do best.

5 years from now, the Nuggets will not even be what they were back when Melo and Chauncy had them sniffing the conference finals.

They will continue to be a second rate franchise in a second rate city in a state that cares more about high school/college football than basketball.

Please, can't we say goodbye to Gallo the way this board has finally and thankfully let DLee go into NBA oblivion?

We talking 'bout Denver? I mean, we talking about Denver?

Very little is said about Denver. Denver is a happy place with great mountains, lots of pretty out of doors women who like to hike and ski, and an educated base of business that makes for a good place to live.

Denver? We talking Denver?

Now we talkin Denver:

We also gave up 11.3 of Eddy Curry's cap space.

So theoretically the team could be Felton, Shump/Fields, Gallo, Amare, Chandler with Wilson Chandler & Mosgov coming off the bench, Anthony Randolph a very young asset with upside (that played quite well when Kevin Love went down), and we'd still have our 2014 first round pick and other picks we gave up.

Depending on how that was working, we could have perhaps made other moves to get Lin etc....

I think one way or the other we would have had to trade Turiaf to make some space, but we might still have the amnesty if Amare goes down (not sure).

It was a HORRID deal. Absolutely HORRID

ItalianStallion wrote:We also gave up a 2014 first round pick and I believe an option to swap another 1st round pick.

We also gave up 11.3 of Eddy Curry's cap space.

So theoretically the team could be Felton, Shump/Fields, Gallo, Amare, Chandler with Wilson Chandler & Mosgov coming off the bench, Anthony Randolph a very young asset with upside (that played quite well when Kevin Love went down), and we'd still have our 2014 first round pick and other picks we gave up.

Depending on how that was working, we could have perhaps made other moves to get Lin etc....

I think one way or the other we would have had to trade Turiaf to make some space, but we might still have the amnesty if Amare goes down (not sure).

It was a HORRID deal. Absolutely HORRID

Anthony Randolph is a scrub under D'Antoni but is probably better with Woodson as coach.

I think that's a lottery team, honestly.

Nobody knows if that team would have gotten Tyson. If you brought that team in and everything played out like it did for them, Gallo would have gotten hurt, Amar'e would have gotten hurt, Wilson would have been in China and THEN injured.

y2zipper wrote:

ItalianStallion wrote:We also gave up a 2014 first round pick and I believe an option to swap another 1st round pick.

We also gave up 11.3 of Eddy Curry's cap space.

So theoretically the team could be Felton, Shump/Fields, Gallo, Amare, Chandler with Wilson Chandler & Mosgov coming off the bench, Anthony Randolph a very young asset with upside (that played quite well when Kevin Love went down), and we'd still have our 2014 first round pick and other picks we gave up.

Depending on how that was working, we could have perhaps made other moves to get Lin etc....

I think one way or the other we would have had to trade Turiaf to make some space, but we might still have the amnesty if Amare goes down (not sure).

It was a HORRID deal. Absolutely HORRID

Anthony Randolph is a scrub under D'Antoni but is probably better with Woodson as coach.

I think that's a lottery team, honestly.

Nobody knows if that team would have gotten Tyson. If you brought that team in and everything played out like it did for them, Gallo would have gotten hurt, Amar'e would have gotten hurt, Wilson would have been in China and THEN injured.

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

y2zipper wrote:

ItalianStallion wrote:We also gave up a 2014 first round pick and I believe an option to swap another 1st round pick.

We also gave up 11.3 of Eddy Curry's cap space.

So theoretically the team could be Felton, Shump/Fields, Gallo, Amare, Chandler with Wilson Chandler & Mosgov coming off the bench, Anthony Randolph a very young asset with upside (that played quite well when Kevin Love went down), and we'd still have our 2014 first round pick and other picks we gave up.

Depending on how that was working, we could have perhaps made other moves to get Lin etc....

I think one way or the other we would have had to trade Turiaf to make some space, but we might still have the amnesty if Amare goes down (not sure).

It was a HORRID deal. Absolutely HORRID

Anthony Randolph is a scrub under D'Antoni but is probably better with Woodson as coach.

I think that's a lottery team, honestly.

Nobody knows if that team would have gotten Tyson. If you brought that team in and everything played out like it did for them, Gallo would have gotten hurt, Amar'e would have gotten hurt, Wilson would have been in China and THEN injured.

It does not matter if Anthony Randolph, Raymond Felton, or any of the other players we traded were scrubs. What matters is that they were perceived as valuable players at the time of the trade and thus could have been used in any of a number of trades. What makes a great GM is in part the ability to trade the players who are misperceived around the league as valuable. As an executive of the team, the GM knows more about the players on your team than anyone else does (how serious they are about improving, how mentally stable they are, etc.). If you have a player who is a scrub but is perceived as a young guy with tremendous upside, you're in a GREAT position to take advantage of the knowledge that only you have and screw some other team. If you have a dime that everyone else thinks is worth a dollar, that's better than having a ten dollar bill that everyone realizes is worth only ten dollars. The fact that we now know that AR and Felton were scrubs (just dimes) is meaningless - it does not in any way diminish the value they had 1 1/2 years ago.

Yeah.

Forget the fact that Wilson was unnervingly inconsistent 1 1/2 years ago.
Forget that Moz was bench fodder and his stats have remained the same from 1 1/2 years ago.
Forget the fact that Gallo missed more games 1 1/2 years ago then he's missing now for the Knuggets
Forget the fact that AR would have been more in MDA's dog house because he is now what he was 1 1/2 years ago; athletic with lower than average BB IQ

Yes, the trade was absolutely horrid! Is anyone in Nuggetsville talking about any of the people above? NO. They're talking Faried and Javale McGee.

Funny, the Nuggets boards have probably put the trade behind them. Why can't we?

May be because the Nuggets remains the same one and done team like before, while having a much better cap situation going foward, with a couple of first rounders going their way in the near future. What’s not to like?

Nalod wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I give JRod a lot of credit for knowing how to take the high road.

With props to Nalod for making absolutely no sense at all.

When the knicks eclipse the Knuggs and do something then Denver accomplishments, or lack of are not relevant.

WTF????

The Knicks eclipse the Knuggs by simply existing.

Whats funny is your actually more attune to what is going on in Denver than anyone here.

Bottom line is what are the records of both franchises since the trade?

Have the knicks accomplished more since the trade?

do the knicks have more trade or draft pick assets going forward?

Maybe you can tell us why you think the trade has been so great for the knicks?

I'm forced to be in tune with Denver because of all the yearning whiners like you who lust for what amounts to a historically third rate franchise and their cap space and their draft pics and all that POTENSHULL!
I can learn more about the Knuggets just reading posts on this board than on an actual Denver fan board.

Prior to the trade, how many playoff series had the Knicks been in? I forget? How many memorable experiences against the Celts did we have, even in playoff losses? I forget, how many 6 - 7 game win streaks did we have?
Tyson is coming here without the trade?

So the key to professional basketball is trade and draft pick assets? You truly were fulfilled holding on to things like Eddy Curry's expiring contract? Building up mid-level players for trade bait while getting routinely blown out of games? Never having a chance of getting out of hell week's alive?

So the process is really the game?