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CrushAlot
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4/19/2012  11:36 PM
BasketballJones wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:I think the model for D'Antoni vs. Carmelo was D'Antoni vs. Marbury. D'Anontoni made it clear that it was "Marbury or me" and the Knicks got rid of Marbury. None Not many of us complained because we all most of us wanted Marbury gone by that time anyway. This time, when D'Antoni said "It's me or Carmelo" the Knicks said "okay - awesome."

I complained. I wanted Marbs gone but I thought Walsh could get something for his huge expiring contract. D'Antoni put Walsh in a bad position and devalued an asset in Marbury.

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4/19/2012  11:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/19/2012  11:45 PM
Dantoni could've probably resurrected Marbury's career but he didn't even give ot a fair chance. Now Marbury is eating vaselin in China. One thing is for sure Dantoni got the most out of nis PGs. Duhon, felton
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4/19/2012  11:42 PM
im surprised nixluva is stil defending d'antoni.

name change to mdaluva.

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4/20/2012  12:01 AM
nyk4ever wrote:im surprised nixluva is stil defending d'antoni.

name change to mdaluva.

What I wrote wasn't a defense of MDA. It was a rebuke of Melo and what he did MOST of the season and in particular in the 10 game stretch before MDA resigned. Since that time Melo started off giving a demonstrably greater effort, but still sucked on offense and now over the last 12 games his offense has returned and he's been playing spectacular BB and leading the team. There's nothing anyone could say negatively about how Melo has responded since MDA resigned except that he only made it crystal clear he wasn't giving his all for most of the season. This has nothing to do with MDA or Woody. It's purely about the player we invested an awful lot in actually giving a legit effort and leading by example. He actually was a drag on the team for much of the year and in particular in the last 10 games before MDA resigned. MDA doing a bad job or not, doesn't absolve Melo of his performance and lack of leadership for much of the season. I've said this repeatedly but no matter what it gets cast in a way that i'm only defending MDA. I've been a Knick fans since 73 no single coach could possibly mean more to me than the team.

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4/20/2012  12:11 AM
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nixluva wrote:I'm so tired of all this nonsense, exaggerations and lies. Let's try to actually back up the crap people keep spouting with some facts!!!

For much of the early season MDA had EVERYTHING go thru Melo. No coach has ever given him that much latitude to call his own number and also setup his teammates. It was new to him and it wasn't easy but he was actually making some progress. Melo was getting PLENTY of shots wherever he wanted them. It's a LIE to suggest that he was held back. This is what Melo was doing before he got hurt. Note how many shots he was taking per game before he sat down supposedly to heal up.

DATE	MIN	FGM-FGA	     FG%	3PM-3PA	3P%	FTM-FTA	     FT%	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
Jan. 35.6 8.3-21.1 .393 1.4-4.4 .311 5.4-6.8 .789 6.7 4.6 0.4 1.3 2.4 3.4 23.3

When Melo came back he was asked to blend in at that time because the team was winning playing the way they were with him out!!! This wasn't the case ALL YEAR as some make it seem. Under MDA he was taking 4.4 3pt attempts and under Woody he was at 3.3 last month and is at 4.6 this month. So where is this idea that MDA had Melo stuck out on the 3pt line not getting shots?

Here are Melo's game logs for the 10 games he played after he came back up until MDA resigned.


DATE OPP SCORE MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
Mon 2/20 vs NJ L 92-100 37 4-11 .364 0-0 .000 3-6 .500 3 6 0 1 3 6 11
Wed 2/22 vs ATL W 99-82 27 7-16 .438 1-2 .500 0-0 .000 4 3 1 2 1 2 15
Thu 2/23 @ MIA L 88-102 35 7-20 .350 1-1 1.000 4-4 1.000 7 1 1 0 4 1 19
Wed 2/29 vs CLE W 120-103 34 9-16 .563 1-3 .333 3-5 .600 5 4 0 0 3 0 22
Mon 3/12 @ Chi L 99-104 39 8-21 .381 1-3 .333 4-4 1.000 8 3 1 2 4 2 21
Sun 3/4 @ BOS L 111-115 35 8-21 .381 0-1 .000 9-10 .900 7 2 0 0 4 3 25
Tue 3/6 @ DAL L 85-95 31 2-12 .167 0-3 .000 2-4 .500 8 1 0 0 1 2 6
Wed 3/7 @ SA L 105-118 38 12-24 .500 3-7 .429 0-1 .000 2 3 0 2 5 2 27
Fri 3/9 @ MIL L 114-119 37 7-17 .412 1-2 .500 7-10 .700 5 2 2 1 1 2 22
Sun 3/11 vs PHI L 94-106 29 5-13 .385 1-4 .250 11-12 .917 9 3 0 0 2 1 22

Too many of you guys are making a 10 game stretch into the narrative of the entire season under MDA. After Melo came back he averaged 17 shots a game. So under MDA he avg'd 21 shots before Linsanity and 17 after. Melo's shooting % didn't improve under Woody until March 28th the Orlando game. So basically for 12 games he's been on fire and avging 23 shots a game. Outside of that his performance was poor offensively. None of this takes into account how he magically improved his effort level on Defense and has been much more cooperative in doing many of the same things he was asked to do under MDA.

The truth is that Melo just stunk and it had nothing to do with MDA. He stunk cuz he just stunk. It wasn't number of shots or him being forced to stand around the 3 pt line. He wasn't hitting the MANY shots he was given period. His attitude was poor and it effected his game on both ends.

I'm still waiting for someone to actually refute the facts stated above. It's one thing not to like the approach and coaching of MDA, but none of that absolves Melo from the fact that he was far below his standards for most of the year. No one made him miss shots and he is the only one responsible for respecting the game and his team by always giving 110%. He clearly did not do that when he came back. The team was winning and united and in 10 game he did nothing to help the team win. Not his defense or offense or his attitude. If he had the attitude he's displayed since the day MDA resigned this team would have a better record no question about it. Woody is a good coach, but nothing he did caused Melo to hit shots. He didn't start to actually go nuts until 12 games ago, on march 28th and that is all on Melo. He's just got his game back at the right time. You pair that with his much improved attitude since MDA resigned and this is the guy everyone expected when we traded for him.

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4/20/2012  12:25 AM
I just find it hard to find something negative in whatever Melo did to "sabotage" the team:

*Through his words or interviews - Did he ever say anything bad about D'Antoni or was their any reports like the Dwight Howard reports that he was unhappy?

*Through his actions or body language - The only time I saw frustration was when he had a clear mismatch in the post, and Lin ignored him. Kobe Bryant has some of the worse body language I have ever seen, petulant at times even.

*Dividing the lockeroom, being a "cancer" - Tyson Chandler is the heartbeat of the team, I've never heard one peep out of the captain to suggest something treacherous or poisonous towards Melo, than say the way the NY Jets team blasted Santonio Holmes.

*Through his poor performance - If player A has an ankle/groin/wrist injury, he's probably going to struggle out the gate in a strike shortened season, No? See Derrick Rose for that answer. Most teams in the NBA had their stars struggle through various ailments, miss games, miss practices, etc. Amare Stoudemire probably had one of his worst seasons ever until recently once he got his legs and rhythm. That's what is happening now. Even, before Stat and Lin's absence, Melo had already shown signs of picking up his game as he's completely healthy now.


Some people give Melo "too much credit" for D'Antoni's departure, like he had some master plan that he was going break x amount of plays a game, and miss x amount of shots on purpose....ARE YOU KIDDING ME? The guy is not that complex. He doesn't eat vaseline, cry during Ustream videos, bang MSG interns, and is a simple, happily married one woman man born in BK, raised in West Baltimore. I actually hated Anthony in Denver, thought he was fake thug punk especially his role in the Mardy Collins brawl, hated his game, thought he shot too much in the same vein Kobe shoots too much. He seemed to mature, since those days. But once I found out, there was a possibility the Knicks could land this guy, I knew we'd be that much closer to getting a Championship. As much fun as the pre-Melo Knicks looked at times last year, deep down everyone knows they were never going to win a Championship with a bunch of role players and Stat. It's time to move past all that, all the trade nonsense, all the revisionist history, the inept coaching history, and acknowledge that Melo and the Knicks are better off now, and are positioned to do great things for the next couple of years.

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