People are going crazy over the lock out season when there is no other reason to look past. I read a stat that this season of players who play more than 20 minutes, 88 players are shooting under 40% this season versus 24 players last. Just chill out newbs!!!!!!

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:Melo is definitely not earning his salary and is really shooting badly. Maybe he is injured, cocaine, roids, HIV POSITIVE, who knows. What I do like is that at the same time, he is really stepping it up on D and not letting his shooting affect his defense. That is all we can ask for.

We can all hate on him but that won't make his shots fall. All we ask for is effort and we are definitely getting effort.

I can't really agree with this. All we can ask for is effort? Perhaps from a bench guy or something, but not from the guy who's supposed to be our Kevin Durant!!! Melo was brought in to be our Superstar. He was brought in to give us that elite level player that can carry us for periods of time so we don't lose games like teams that don't have that kind of player. There are no rationalizations for a star player. Guys like Melo don't get that luxury.

And as for effort that should be a given for every pro player. It's a sad day when we hand out brownie points for a Pro Athlete giving effort!!! If he would've been doing that on both ends his entire career no one would really have anything negative to say about him. He really just now has started to give this kind of effort and it was only because he had no choice but to give his all now. No Melo has to step up bigtime or take the brunt of the media and fan scorn for not showing up when the team needs him. I can tell you that it will get real ugly for him if he doesn't start playing like he's supposed to. Especially if the team makes the playoffs and he doesn't step up and help them win.

Melo ain't Kevin Durant and I don't really give a damn about Melo.

We are winning now - do you give a sh1t or are you still soooo saddddddddd that this prick Melo got your boy toy run out of town? Are you gonna keep bitching in every single thread about him because you now hate him even more? Getting really old and boring.

What you should be is HAPPY that we got rid of the idiot who did not care enough about us fans and did not get his players to play defense. Woodson is such a breath of fresh air, I now replace my MDA poster with Woody's!! hahahah - I am so happy! I Love DEFENSE!!

DEFENSE!!DEFENSE!!DEFENSE!!DEFENSE!!DEFENSE!!

It's really hard for BITCHING to get good traction while we are winning

You can continue to live in this delusional state of mind where it doesn't matter what Melo does, but back here in the real world, it does matter what Melo does! No one mentioned anything about MDA, but you. Are you unable to argue a point without making idiotic and wild assumptions? I clearly stated what my point of view was and it had nothing to do with MDA or Woodson. This is about Melo and his inability to play up to his potential and place as the teams best player. Perhaps you don't think it's gonna matter should this team make the playoffs, but it will. You can't think that this team is gonna have a legit chance to advance with Melo not Playing well. The best teams eventually need their best players to rise in the playoffs.

It's great that the team is playing harder on D, but when you go up against a team that is your equal or better it's not gonna be enough to just be good on one side of the ball. Have you not been paying attention to NBA BB for all these years that this has escaped your notice? You can't really be that naive to think that all we're gonna need is to play good D and everything will just fall in place? The Bulls play great D and they didn't make the finals last year. You need to grow up and make valid arguments as opposed to your usual lame jokes.

Nixluva, "wild assumptions"? Do you not think everyone here on this board knows your angles and where you stand? ARE YOU THAT NAIVE??

If you want to complain about a player off his game, though still trying while we are winning that is sad and fine.

What I think you need to be concentrating on right now is Stats uninsured contract. How is that working out? Happy with his defensive effort since he came here? Was he dogging it for the coach? Oh! I forgot! Its not his fault because "HE HAS LOW DEFENSIVE IQ"

Be balanced and you will be more credible.

You sprinkle in Stat every so often as to not look biased but it's quite transparent.

HATING MELO = PRO MDA

Melo stunk before the coaching change and guess what ... He is still stinking it up. Difference? WINNING!

DEFENSE!! Enjoy it. There will be time to attack and complain - have no fear.

Alright mrKnickShot here is where I expose your BS. You want to try and convince everyone that i'm biased due to MDA and that I'm attacking Melo while not attacking STAT and that I am not supportive of Woody all due to my love of MDA? Well here is a thread that everyone can read that I started back when it all went down and you can read my thoughts clearly stated and they can make up their own minds rather than listen to your slanderous claims about me:

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=41421

This was my initial statement in that thread:

Woody, STAT and Melo

From my vantage point, I think his work with STAT and Melo is really what is gonna define him. Can he get STAT to actually rebound like his position and size suggests? Can he get Melo to defend with energy every night? Can he get them to get back to the high level they performed at before they teamed up. Since joining together it's been very rare when they both play well and have complete games. If they raise their level of play that would most surely push this team into a high enough level to compete for the title. I'm not even worried about the teams role players. I think he'll get what he needs from them. But STAT and Melo are a different issue altogether. Game 1 was great but not the real test. The real test is doing it 23 more times and then in the playoffs. In other words CONSISTENTLY!!!

Anyone can read the other thoughts I expressed in the rest of the thread. My statements are not biased. They're based on the facts of how STAT and Melo have played and their importance to the team. Melo in particular is a problem because he was brought in at great expense to be the teams Star performer. He's not supposed to just be another guy. Melo has to step up and be the team leader he says he wants to be.

Reread my post. Concentrate on this line:

"You sprinkle in Stat every so often as to not look biased but it's quite transparent. "

You attack Melo over Stat at a 50/1 ratio. Now I agree that they both have not performed up to Par and that they both deserve alot of blame. But be fair. As I have always said, my contention with you is that you do not fairly place blame fairly across all parties that are due blame.

MDA - blame for coaching badly and not getting the most defensively out of his team, and that he sparred with Melo
Melo - is just way off offensively and sparred with MDA, also did not play good team defense
Stat - pretty bad season especially defensively and not picking up his defense until Woody became coach

THAT IS A FAIR AND BALANCED ASSESSMENT!

This is such garbage. You go out of your way to badger me wherever I post, making accusations about my intent. You want me to blame MDA, Melo and STAT equally and I don't agree with you!!! Why should I have to have the same view as you? That doesn't make me unduly biased if I can prove why I feel one person deserves more blame than the other. IMO Melo is the greater culprit based on his role as the teams top player and leader. His poor decisions and lack of understanding of what it takes to win are a big part of the problem. I also blamed STAT and i've gone on record saying that MDA didn't do a good job. I don't give MDA equal blame as Melo, cuz when Melo wasn't playing MDA was able to get the team to play at a high level. The team had a winning record last year before Melo came, so clearly MDA did have the ability to coach the team to a winning record, even if it wasn't a perfect team. Melo admitted to not giving max effort all year. Melo sulked and pouted and it effected everyone in the end. All you have to do is go look at the teams performance when Melo is in verses when he's out. The numbers are stark.

Since Anthony returned on Feb. 20, the Knicks are averaging 109.8 points per 100 possessions with Anthony off the floor and just 97.6 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor.

Even worse, they are allowing 107.1 points per 100 possessions with Anthony on the floor and just 95.1 points per 100 with him off the floor.

They're also shooting 5.6 percent better with Anthony off the floor. With Anthony on the floor, opponents are shooting 4.5 percent higher. Yikes.

The evidence is clear IMO. I will not agree with you on some misguided idea of equal blame.

It does not have to be "Equal Blame" but some blame.

I for one believe that the losing was more on MDA and it certainly seems that way now.

How did MDA not do a good job. You say you blame MDA for something but never say what. Can you give any specifics or is it all BS as you follow up with how MDA did well without MELO (so it's obviously not his fault). I hate to break it to you but Woody is doing WELL WITH Melo.

Can you give any specifics? Was it his defensive coaching? Not adjusting to his crew? Anything that is not just "he did not do a good job ... but but but"?

INDIANAPOLIS – This was the same old Knick roster out there, running the same go-go offense and employing the same transition defense. The only change, really, was that certain key members were trying harder for Mike Woodson than they had for Mike D’Antoni, hanging tough down the stretch and making smart, focused decisions.

So once again, the Knicks leave us with a dilemma: Do we praise them for their current effort, for their energy and their three-game winning streak, or do we condemn them for quitting on D’Antoni for no apparent reason other than to get a tired voice out of here?

“On offense, we have a little more post-ups, not a lot more,” Jeremy Lin was saying after the Knicks whipped Indiana, 102-88, Saturday night. “The defense hasn’t changed. We have all 15 guys buying in now. That’s the big difference.”

Anji wrote:Win shares is such bull****, if this doesn't show that it is flawed as hell then a guess nothing will.

People are going crazy over the lock out season when there is no other reason to look past. I read a stat that this season of players who play more than 20 minutes, 88 players are shooting under 40% this season versus 24 players last. Just chill out newbs!!!!!!

Then why are there other players not affected by a shooting slump like Melo??? They have to play through a lock-out season too. NO EXCUSES!!!

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:Woody is doing well, but that is also a combination of factors. One he has done some good things. Melo is according to his own words playing with more energy than he has all year. STAT started to play better even before MDA left, so he was coming on. We got Jared and Tyson back which was a huge part of the problem of why they lost 6 in a row. This was a tough season especially starting with TD trying to be the PG. Still IMO the big issue was STAT and Melo not being in top shape and even more so not really buying in on D. Let's also acknowledge that Woody has been here and helping run the D all year, so he's not coming in and suddenly making major changes in the D as if he wasn't part of the team all year. This is about STAT playing harder and Melo playing harder than he has all year.

INDIANAPOLIS – This was the same old Knick roster out there, running the same go-go offense and employing the same transition defense. The only change, really, was that certain key members were trying harder for Mike Woodson than they had for Mike D’Antoni, hanging tough down the stretch and making smart, focused decisions.

So once again, the Knicks leave us with a dilemma: Do we praise them for their current effort, for their energy and their three-game winning streak, or do we condemn them for quitting on D’Antoni for no apparent reason other than to get a tired voice out of here?

“On offense, we have a little more post-ups, not a lot more,” Jeremy Lin was saying after the Knicks whipped Indiana, 102-88, Saturday night. “The defense hasn’t changed. We have all 15 guys buying in now. That’s the big difference.”

What did MDA do wrong? Please! A real answer that is all I ask. I already stated specifics in my blame for Melo, Stat and MDA.

Nix, so you can argue and bait and then when you get asked a direct question, YOU RUN! I have tried this numerous times. You said MDA clearly failed this year. How did he fail??????

case closed. That is why you feel badgered. Because when one is dishonest, biased and imbalanced, it is tough to live with.

Uptown wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:Woody is doing well, but that is also a combination of factors. One he has done some good things. Melo is according to his own words playing with more energy than he has all year. STAT started to play better even before MDA left, so he was coming on. We got Jared and Tyson back which was a huge part of the problem of why they lost 6 in a row. This was a tough season especially starting with TD trying to be the PG. Still IMO the big issue was STAT and Melo not being in top shape and even more so not really buying in on D. Let's also acknowledge that Woody has been here and helping run the D all year, so he's not coming in and suddenly making major changes in the D as if he wasn't part of the team all year. This is about STAT playing harder and Melo playing harder than he has all year.

INDIANAPOLIS – This was the same old Knick roster out there, running the same go-go offense and employing the same transition defense. The only change, really, was that certain key members were trying harder for Mike Woodson than they had for Mike D’Antoni, hanging tough down the stretch and making smart, focused decisions.

So once again, the Knicks leave us with a dilemma: Do we praise them for their current effort, for their energy and their three-game winning streak, or do we condemn them for quitting on D’Antoni for no apparent reason other than to get a tired voice out of here?

“On offense, we have a little more post-ups, not a lot more,” Jeremy Lin was saying after the Knicks whipped Indiana, 102-88, Saturday night. “The defense hasn’t changed. We have all 15 guys buying in now. That’s the big difference.”

What did MDA do wrong? Please! A real answer that is all I ask. I already stated specifics in my blame for Melo, Stat and MDA.

Dude, I've asked Nix the same question, repeatedly and he never responds.

isn't nixluva like the biggest MDA homer on this board?

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:Melo is definitely not earning his salary and is really shooting badly. Maybe he is injured, cocaine, roids, HIV POSITIVE, who knows. What I do like is that at the same time, he is really stepping it up on D and not letting his shooting affect his defense. That is all we can ask for.

We can all hate on him but that won't make his shots fall. All we ask for is effort and we are definitely getting effort.

I can't really agree with this. All we can ask for is effort? Perhaps from a bench guy or something, but not from the guy who's supposed to be our Kevin Durant!!! Melo was brought in to be our Superstar. He was brought in to give us that elite level player that can carry us for periods of time so we don't lose games like teams that don't have that kind of player. There are no rationalizations for a star player. Guys like Melo don't get that luxury.

And as for effort that should be a given for every pro player. It's a sad day when we hand out brownie points for a Pro Athlete giving effort!!! If he would've been doing that on both ends his entire career no one would really have anything negative to say about him. He really just now has started to give this kind of effort and it was only because he had no choice but to give his all now. No Melo has to step up bigtime or take the brunt of the media and fan scorn for not showing up when the team needs him. I can tell you that it will get real ugly for him if he doesn't start playing like he's supposed to. Especially if the team makes the playoffs and he doesn't step up and help them win.

Melo ain't Kevin Durant and I don't really give a damn about Melo.

We are winning now - do you give a sh1t or are you still soooo saddddddddd that this prick Melo got your boy toy run out of town? Are you gonna keep bitching in every single thread about him because you now hate him even more? Getting really old and boring.

What you should be is HAPPY that we got rid of the idiot who did not care enough about us fans and did not get his players to play defense. Woodson is such a breath of fresh air, I now replace my MDA poster with Woody's!! hahahah - I am so happy! I Love DEFENSE!!

DEFENSE!!DEFENSE!!DEFENSE!!DEFENSE!!DEFENSE!!

It's really hard for BITCHING to get good traction while we are winning

You can continue to live in this delusional state of mind where it doesn't matter what Melo does, but back here in the real world, it does matter what Melo does! No one mentioned anything about MDA, but you. Are you unable to argue a point without making idiotic and wild assumptions? I clearly stated what my point of view was and it had nothing to do with MDA or Woodson. This is about Melo and his inability to play up to his potential and place as the teams best player. Perhaps you don't think it's gonna matter should this team make the playoffs, but it will. You can't think that this team is gonna have a legit chance to advance with Melo not Playing well. The best teams eventually need their best players to rise in the playoffs.

It's great that the team is playing harder on D, but when you go up against a team that is your equal or better it's not gonna be enough to just be good on one side of the ball. Have you not been paying attention to NBA BB for all these years that this has escaped your notice? You can't really be that naive to think that all we're gonna need is to play good D and everything will just fall in place? The Bulls play great D and they didn't make the finals last year. You need to grow up and make valid arguments as opposed to your usual lame jokes.

Nixluva, "wild assumptions"? Do you not think everyone here on this board knows your angles and where you stand? ARE YOU THAT NAIVE??

If you want to complain about a player off his game, though still trying while we are winning that is sad and fine.

What I think you need to be concentrating on right now is Stats uninsured contract. How is that working out? Happy with his defensive effort since he came here? Was he dogging it for the coach? Oh! I forgot! Its not his fault because "HE HAS LOW DEFENSIVE IQ"

Be balanced and you will be more credible.

You sprinkle in Stat every so often as to not look biased but it's quite transparent.

HATING MELO = PRO MDA

Melo stunk before the coaching change and guess what ... He is still stinking it up. Difference? WINNING!

DEFENSE!! Enjoy it. There will be time to attack and complain - have no fear.

Alright mrKnickShot here is where I expose your BS. You want to try and convince everyone that i'm biased due to MDA and that I'm attacking Melo while not attacking STAT and that I am not supportive of Woody all due to my love of MDA? Well here is a thread that everyone can read that I started back when it all went down and you can read my thoughts clearly stated and they can make up their own minds rather than listen to your slanderous claims about me:

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=41421

This was my initial statement in that thread:

Woody, STAT and Melo

From my vantage point, I think his work with STAT and Melo is really what is gonna define him. Can he get STAT to actually rebound like his position and size suggests? Can he get Melo to defend with energy every night? Can he get them to get back to the high level they performed at before they teamed up. Since joining together it's been very rare when they both play well and have complete games. If they raise their level of play that would most surely push this team into a high enough level to compete for the title. I'm not even worried about the teams role players. I think he'll get what he needs from them. But STAT and Melo are a different issue altogether. Game 1 was great but not the real test. The real test is doing it 23 more times and then in the playoffs. In other words CONSISTENTLY!!!

Anyone can read the other thoughts I expressed in the rest of the thread. My statements are not biased. They're based on the facts of how STAT and Melo have played and their importance to the team. Melo in particular is a problem because he was brought in at great expense to be the teams Star performer. He's not supposed to just be another guy. Melo has to step up and be the team leader he says he wants to be.

Reread my post. Concentrate on this line:

"You sprinkle in Stat every so often as to not look biased but it's quite transparent. "

You attack Melo over Stat at a 50/1 ratio. Now I agree that they both have not performed up to Par and that they both deserve alot of blame. But be fair. As I have always said, my contention with you is that you do not fairly place blame fairly across all parties that are due blame.

MDA - blame for coaching badly and not getting the most defensively out of his team, and that he sparred with Melo
Melo - is just way off offensively and sparred with MDA, also did not play good team defense
Stat - pretty bad season especially defensively and not picking up his defense until Woody became coach

THAT IS A FAIR AND BALANCED ASSESSMENT!

This is such garbage. You go out of your way to badger me wherever I post, making accusations about my intent. You want me to blame MDA, Melo and STAT equally and I don't agree with you!!! Why should I have to have the same view as you? That doesn't make me unduly biased if I can prove why I feel one person deserves more blame than the other. IMO Melo is the greater culprit based on his role as the teams top player and leader. His poor decisions and lack of understanding of what it takes to win are a big part of the problem. I also blamed STAT and i've gone on record saying that MDA didn't do a good job. I don't give MDA equal blame as Melo, cuz when Melo wasn't playing MDA was able to get the team to play at a high level. The team had a winning record last year before Melo came, so clearly MDA did have the ability to coach the team to a winning record, even if it wasn't a perfect team. Melo admitted to not giving max effort all year. Melo sulked and pouted and it effected everyone in the end. All you have to do is go look at the teams performance when Melo is in verses when he's out. The numbers are stark.

Since Anthony returned on Feb. 20, the Knicks are averaging 109.8 points per 100 possessions with Anthony off the floor and just 97.6 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor.

Even worse, they are allowing 107.1 points per 100 possessions with Anthony on the floor and just 95.1 points per 100 with him off the floor.

They're also shooting 5.6 percent better with Anthony off the floor. With Anthony on the floor, opponents are shooting 4.5 percent higher. Yikes.

The evidence is clear IMO. I will not agree with you on some misguided idea of equal blame.

It does not have to be "Equal Blame" but some blame.

I for one believe that the losing was more on MDA and it certainly seems that way now.

How did MDA not do a good job. You say you blame MDA for something but never say what. Can you give any specifics or is it all BS as you follow up with how MDA did well without MELO (so it's obviously not his fault). I hate to break it to you but Woody is doing WELL WITH Melo.

Can you give any specifics? Was it his defensive coaching? Not adjusting to his crew? Anything that is not just "he did not do a good job ... but but but"?

MrKnickshot it is becoming painfully obvious that you and a couple other posters are incapable of giving up on MDA and moving on. And you are also the first to accuse others of harbor ing MDA sympathies. Conspiracy theories maybe fun and all but please don't use this to launch personal attacks on people. Get this shyeeeit outta here.

loweyecue wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:Melo is definitely not earning his salary and is really shooting badly. Maybe he is injured, cocaine, roids, HIV POSITIVE, who knows. What I do like is that at the same time, he is really stepping it up on D and not letting his shooting affect his defense. That is all we can ask for.

We can all hate on him but that won't make his shots fall. All we ask for is effort and we are definitely getting effort.

I can't really agree with this. All we can ask for is effort? Perhaps from a bench guy or something, but not from the guy who's supposed to be our Kevin Durant!!! Melo was brought in to be our Superstar. He was brought in to give us that elite level player that can carry us for periods of time so we don't lose games like teams that don't have that kind of player. There are no rationalizations for a star player. Guys like Melo don't get that luxury.

And as for effort that should be a given for every pro player. It's a sad day when we hand out brownie points for a Pro Athlete giving effort!!! If he would've been doing that on both ends his entire career no one would really have anything negative to say about him. He really just now has started to give this kind of effort and it was only because he had no choice but to give his all now. No Melo has to step up bigtime or take the brunt of the media and fan scorn for not showing up when the team needs him. I can tell you that it will get real ugly for him if he doesn't start playing like he's supposed to. Especially if the team makes the playoffs and he doesn't step up and help them win.

Melo ain't Kevin Durant and I don't really give a damn about Melo.

We are winning now - do you give a sh1t or are you still soooo saddddddddd that this prick Melo got your boy toy run out of town? Are you gonna keep bitching in every single thread about him because you now hate him even more? Getting really old and boring.

What you should be is HAPPY that we got rid of the idiot who did not care enough about us fans and did not get his players to play defense. Woodson is such a breath of fresh air, I now replace my MDA poster with Woody's!! hahahah - I am so happy! I Love DEFENSE!!

DEFENSE!!DEFENSE!!DEFENSE!!DEFENSE!!DEFENSE!!

It's really hard for BITCHING to get good traction while we are winning

You can continue to live in this delusional state of mind where it doesn't matter what Melo does, but back here in the real world, it does matter what Melo does! No one mentioned anything about MDA, but you. Are you unable to argue a point without making idiotic and wild assumptions? I clearly stated what my point of view was and it had nothing to do with MDA or Woodson. This is about Melo and his inability to play up to his potential and place as the teams best player. Perhaps you don't think it's gonna matter should this team make the playoffs, but it will. You can't think that this team is gonna have a legit chance to advance with Melo not Playing well. The best teams eventually need their best players to rise in the playoffs.

It's great that the team is playing harder on D, but when you go up against a team that is your equal or better it's not gonna be enough to just be good on one side of the ball. Have you not been paying attention to NBA BB for all these years that this has escaped your notice? You can't really be that naive to think that all we're gonna need is to play good D and everything will just fall in place? The Bulls play great D and they didn't make the finals last year. You need to grow up and make valid arguments as opposed to your usual lame jokes.

Nixluva, "wild assumptions"? Do you not think everyone here on this board knows your angles and where you stand? ARE YOU THAT NAIVE??

If you want to complain about a player off his game, though still trying while we are winning that is sad and fine.

What I think you need to be concentrating on right now is Stats uninsured contract. How is that working out? Happy with his defensive effort since he came here? Was he dogging it for the coach? Oh! I forgot! Its not his fault because "HE HAS LOW DEFENSIVE IQ"

Be balanced and you will be more credible.

You sprinkle in Stat every so often as to not look biased but it's quite transparent.

HATING MELO = PRO MDA

Melo stunk before the coaching change and guess what ... He is still stinking it up. Difference? WINNING!

DEFENSE!! Enjoy it. There will be time to attack and complain - have no fear.

Alright mrKnickShot here is where I expose your BS. You want to try and convince everyone that i'm biased due to MDA and that I'm attacking Melo while not attacking STAT and that I am not supportive of Woody all due to my love of MDA? Well here is a thread that everyone can read that I started back when it all went down and you can read my thoughts clearly stated and they can make up their own minds rather than listen to your slanderous claims about me:

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=41421

This was my initial statement in that thread:

Woody, STAT and Melo

From my vantage point, I think his work with STAT and Melo is really what is gonna define him. Can he get STAT to actually rebound like his position and size suggests? Can he get Melo to defend with energy every night? Can he get them to get back to the high level they performed at before they teamed up. Since joining together it's been very rare when they both play well and have complete games. If they raise their level of play that would most surely push this team into a high enough level to compete for the title. I'm not even worried about the teams role players. I think he'll get what he needs from them. But STAT and Melo are a different issue altogether. Game 1 was great but not the real test. The real test is doing it 23 more times and then in the playoffs. In other words CONSISTENTLY!!!

Anyone can read the other thoughts I expressed in the rest of the thread. My statements are not biased. They're based on the facts of how STAT and Melo have played and their importance to the team. Melo in particular is a problem because he was brought in at great expense to be the teams Star performer. He's not supposed to just be another guy. Melo has to step up and be the team leader he says he wants to be.

Reread my post. Concentrate on this line:

"You sprinkle in Stat every so often as to not look biased but it's quite transparent. "

You attack Melo over Stat at a 50/1 ratio. Now I agree that they both have not performed up to Par and that they both deserve alot of blame. But be fair. As I have always said, my contention with you is that you do not fairly place blame fairly across all parties that are due blame.

MDA - blame for coaching badly and not getting the most defensively out of his team, and that he sparred with Melo
Melo - is just way off offensively and sparred with MDA, also did not play good team defense
Stat - pretty bad season especially defensively and not picking up his defense until Woody became coach

THAT IS A FAIR AND BALANCED ASSESSMENT!

This is such garbage. You go out of your way to badger me wherever I post, making accusations about my intent. You want me to blame MDA, Melo and STAT equally and I don't agree with you!!! Why should I have to have the same view as you? That doesn't make me unduly biased if I can prove why I feel one person deserves more blame than the other. IMO Melo is the greater culprit based on his role as the teams top player and leader. His poor decisions and lack of understanding of what it takes to win are a big part of the problem. I also blamed STAT and i've gone on record saying that MDA didn't do a good job. I don't give MDA equal blame as Melo, cuz when Melo wasn't playing MDA was able to get the team to play at a high level. The team had a winning record last year before Melo came, so clearly MDA did have the ability to coach the team to a winning record, even if it wasn't a perfect team. Melo admitted to not giving max effort all year. Melo sulked and pouted and it effected everyone in the end. All you have to do is go look at the teams performance when Melo is in verses when he's out. The numbers are stark.

Since Anthony returned on Feb. 20, the Knicks are averaging 109.8 points per 100 possessions with Anthony off the floor and just 97.6 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor.

Even worse, they are allowing 107.1 points per 100 possessions with Anthony on the floor and just 95.1 points per 100 with him off the floor.

They're also shooting 5.6 percent better with Anthony off the floor. With Anthony on the floor, opponents are shooting 4.5 percent higher. Yikes.

The evidence is clear IMO. I will not agree with you on some misguided idea of equal blame.

It does not have to be "Equal Blame" but some blame.

I for one believe that the losing was more on MDA and it certainly seems that way now.

How did MDA not do a good job. You say you blame MDA for something but never say what. Can you give any specifics or is it all BS as you follow up with how MDA did well without MELO (so it's obviously not his fault). I hate to break it to you but Woody is doing WELL WITH Melo.

Can you give any specifics? Was it his defensive coaching? Not adjusting to his crew? Anything that is not just "he did not do a good job ... but but but"?

MrKnickshot it is becoming painfully obvious that you and a couple other posters are incapable of giving up on MDA and moving on. And you are also the first to accuse others of harbor ing MDA sympathies. Conspiracy theories maybe fun and all but please don't use this to launch personal attacks on people. Get this shyeeeit outta here.

LOWEYEQUE, you are kidding right? hhahahahaha. I am the first one to accuse others of harboring MDA sympathies? YOu really FUNNY!! Welcome BACK!!

KEEP BLAMING MELO FOR ALL YOUR PROBLEMS. Get that shyeeeeeeiiiiitt outta here.

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mrKnickShot wrote:Melo is definitely not earning his salary and is really shooting badly. Maybe he is injured, cocaine, roids, HIV POSITIVE, who knows. What I do like is that at the same time, he is really stepping it up on D and not letting his shooting affect his defense. That is all we can ask for.

We can all hate on him but that won't make his shots fall. All we ask for is effort and we are definitely getting effort.

I can't really agree with this. All we can ask for is effort? Perhaps from a bench guy or something, but not from the guy who's supposed to be our Kevin Durant!!! Melo was brought in to be our Superstar. He was brought in to give us that elite level player that can carry us for periods of time so we don't lose games like teams that don't have that kind of player. There are no rationalizations for a star player. Guys like Melo don't get that luxury.

And as for effort that should be a given for every pro player. It's a sad day when we hand out brownie points for a Pro Athlete giving effort!!! If he would've been doing that on both ends his entire career no one would really have anything negative to say about him. He really just now has started to give this kind of effort and it was only because he had no choice but to give his all now. No Melo has to step up bigtime or take the brunt of the media and fan scorn for not showing up when the team needs him. I can tell you that it will get real ugly for him if he doesn't start playing like he's supposed to. Especially if the team makes the playoffs and he doesn't step up and help them win.

Melo ain't Kevin Durant and I don't really give a damn about Melo.

We are winning now - do you give a sh1t or are you still soooo saddddddddd that this prick Melo got your boy toy run out of town? Are you gonna keep bitching in every single thread about him because you now hate him even more? Getting really old and boring.

What you should be is HAPPY that we got rid of the idiot who did not care enough about us fans and did not get his players to play defense. Woodson is such a breath of fresh air, I now replace my MDA poster with Woody's!! hahahah - I am so happy! I Love DEFENSE!!

DEFENSE!!DEFENSE!!DEFENSE!!DEFENSE!!DEFENSE!!

It's really hard for BITCHING to get good traction while we are winning

You can continue to live in this delusional state of mind where it doesn't matter what Melo does, but back here in the real world, it does matter what Melo does! No one mentioned anything about MDA, but you. Are you unable to argue a point without making idiotic and wild assumptions? I clearly stated what my point of view was and it had nothing to do with MDA or Woodson. This is about Melo and his inability to play up to his potential and place as the teams best player. Perhaps you don't think it's gonna matter should this team make the playoffs, but it will. You can't think that this team is gonna have a legit chance to advance with Melo not Playing well. The best teams eventually need their best players to rise in the playoffs.

It's great that the team is playing harder on D, but when you go up against a team that is your equal or better it's not gonna be enough to just be good on one side of the ball. Have you not been paying attention to NBA BB for all these years that this has escaped your notice? You can't really be that naive to think that all we're gonna need is to play good D and everything will just fall in place? The Bulls play great D and they didn't make the finals last year. You need to grow up and make valid arguments as opposed to your usual lame jokes.

Nixluva, "wild assumptions"? Do you not think everyone here on this board knows your angles and where you stand? ARE YOU THAT NAIVE??

If you want to complain about a player off his game, though still trying while we are winning that is sad and fine.

What I think you need to be concentrating on right now is Stats uninsured contract. How is that working out? Happy with his defensive effort since he came here? Was he dogging it for the coach? Oh! I forgot! Its not his fault because "HE HAS LOW DEFENSIVE IQ"

Be balanced and you will be more credible.

You sprinkle in Stat every so often as to not look biased but it's quite transparent.

HATING MELO = PRO MDA

Melo stunk before the coaching change and guess what ... He is still stinking it up. Difference? WINNING!

DEFENSE!! Enjoy it. There will be time to attack and complain - have no fear.

Alright mrKnickShot here is where I expose your BS. You want to try and convince everyone that i'm biased due to MDA and that I'm attacking Melo while not attacking STAT and that I am not supportive of Woody all due to my love of MDA? Well here is a thread that everyone can read that I started back when it all went down and you can read my thoughts clearly stated and they can make up their own minds rather than listen to your slanderous claims about me:

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=41421

This was my initial statement in that thread:

Woody, STAT and Melo

From my vantage point, I think his work with STAT and Melo is really what is gonna define him. Can he get STAT to actually rebound like his position and size suggests? Can he get Melo to defend with energy every night? Can he get them to get back to the high level they performed at before they teamed up. Since joining together it's been very rare when they both play well and have complete games. If they raise their level of play that would most surely push this team into a high enough level to compete for the title. I'm not even worried about the teams role players. I think he'll get what he needs from them. But STAT and Melo are a different issue altogether. Game 1 was great but not the real test. The real test is doing it 23 more times and then in the playoffs. In other words CONSISTENTLY!!!

Anyone can read the other thoughts I expressed in the rest of the thread. My statements are not biased. They're based on the facts of how STAT and Melo have played and their importance to the team. Melo in particular is a problem because he was brought in at great expense to be the teams Star performer. He's not supposed to just be another guy. Melo has to step up and be the team leader he says he wants to be.

Reread my post. Concentrate on this line:

"You sprinkle in Stat every so often as to not look biased but it's quite transparent. "

You attack Melo over Stat at a 50/1 ratio. Now I agree that they both have not performed up to Par and that they both deserve alot of blame. But be fair. As I have always said, my contention with you is that you do not fairly place blame fairly across all parties that are due blame.

MDA - blame for coaching badly and not getting the most defensively out of his team, and that he sparred with Melo
Melo - is just way off offensively and sparred with MDA, also did not play good team defense
Stat - pretty bad season especially defensively and not picking up his defense until Woody became coach

THAT IS A FAIR AND BALANCED ASSESSMENT!

This is such garbage. You go out of your way to badger me wherever I post, making accusations about my intent. You want me to blame MDA, Melo and STAT equally and I don't agree with you!!! Why should I have to have the same view as you? That doesn't make me unduly biased if I can prove why I feel one person deserves more blame than the other. IMO Melo is the greater culprit based on his role as the teams top player and leader. His poor decisions and lack of understanding of what it takes to win are a big part of the problem. I also blamed STAT and i've gone on record saying that MDA didn't do a good job. I don't give MDA equal blame as Melo, cuz when Melo wasn't playing MDA was able to get the team to play at a high level. The team had a winning record last year before Melo came, so clearly MDA did have the ability to coach the team to a winning record, even if it wasn't a perfect team. Melo admitted to not giving max effort all year. Melo sulked and pouted and it effected everyone in the end. All you have to do is go look at the teams performance when Melo is in verses when he's out. The numbers are stark.

Since Anthony returned on Feb. 20, the Knicks are averaging 109.8 points per 100 possessions with Anthony off the floor and just 97.6 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor.

Even worse, they are allowing 107.1 points per 100 possessions with Anthony on the floor and just 95.1 points per 100 with him off the floor.

They're also shooting 5.6 percent better with Anthony off the floor. With Anthony on the floor, opponents are shooting 4.5 percent higher. Yikes.

The evidence is clear IMO. I will not agree with you on some misguided idea of equal blame.

It does not have to be "Equal Blame" but some blame.

I for one believe that the losing was more on MDA and it certainly seems that way now.

How did MDA not do a good job. You say you blame MDA for something but never say what. Can you give any specifics or is it all BS as you follow up with how MDA did well without MELO (so it's obviously not his fault). I hate to break it to you but Woody is doing WELL WITH Melo.

Can you give any specifics? Was it his defensive coaching? Not adjusting to his crew? Anything that is not just "he did not do a good job ... but but but"?

MrKnickshot it is becoming painfully obvious that you and a couple other posters are incapable of giving up on MDA and moving on. And you are also the first to accuse others of harbor ing MDA sympathies. Conspiracy theories maybe fun and all but please don't use this to launch personal attacks on people. Get this shyeeeit outta here.

LOWEYEQUE, you are kidding right? hhahahahaha. I am the first one to accuse others of harboring MDA sympathies? YOu really FUNNY!! Welcome BACK!!

KEEP BLAMING MELO FOR ALL YOUR PROBLEMS. Get that shyeeeeeeiiiiitt outta here.

No I am not kidding, I have seen you follow Nixluva around thread after thread and destroy each thread by turning it into a discussion on your stupid opinion of his intent. You need to understand that there are people here who would like to discuss basketball without having to read your BS. As unlikely as it may sound your opinion of Nixluva is not the central theme of this message board. So with all due respect STFU.

I know you are going through a rough time and have a anger issues so I will refrain from responding to your BS.