fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:

misterearl wrote:Yes

Uptown wrote:Pre-injury, he put up 30 in 3 straight games. I think he's still struggling with the injury aswell as some confidence issues. Also, he's a rhythm shooter and he goes mins without touching the ball in his spots. Last night he hit 2 straight and Woodson yanked him out a little too early IMO. If somebody is hot, you ride them.

Uptown - did anyone mention that you rock?

LMAO.. uptown just killed MDA for that stupid offense that just rides the hot shooter. Funny stuff. Its nice to winning games

Fish, the MDA's equal opportunity offense does not reward "Riding a hot shooter," unless your the point guard or a spot up shooter. MDA's ideal offense will give guys with less ability (Bill Walker and Fields to name a few) the opportunity to put as many shots as Melo and Stat in a game. There's no room for a player with Melo's skill-set (Elbow and in) to get hot in this offense or even fit in unless he breaks the actual offense.

and yet all those years Amare was good for 25ppg while shooting 55%

Melo is the ONLY player to not benefit from MDA's offense, but we still blame MDA for this? Even after Melo said he simply didnt play as hard? Wow... ok

Dont make this out to be some pro MDA lover crap. For 10 years here Ive been posting its the players players players and then its the players. Melo quit on the last coach and it hurt this team. The guy still isnt in shape to play on both ends.

At this point Im glad MDA is gone because now its back to basketball, but funny how some problems linger

Amare benefited tremndously from being featured in MDA's high pick-n-roll offense. You think Melo couldn't benefit from playing a little pick-n-pop with Lin? Too bad MDA was too ridgid to try.

Show me a quote where I endorsed or excused Melo for not giving 100% effort all the time. I'm not saying its okay, but even Magic Johnson was discouraged and disheartened when he was sattled in Westheads system, a system he didn't believe in and a system which didn't attempt to bend to his strengths. Magic had delusions of being traded and he didn't give all out effort at times aswell (If you need it, I will provide direct quotes when I have the time). Again, its never okay when a player doesn't give full effort all the time, but I'm just saying, it does happen.

I've knocked Melo for the shooting slump, and I've even said he needs to bend a little for MDA. My problem is when guys place all blame for the Knics woes on Melo when thats not the case. MDA has to take just as much if not more than Melo. He's the captain of the ship for crying out loud. In your eyes, is MDA at fault for anything that went wrong?

BTW, Amare has had a nice surge of energy on the defensive side of the ball over the last 5. Kind of hard to figure out what Amare is really trying to say during his mostly canned-responses, but his body language over the last 5 on the defensive end is speaking volumes.

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

misterearl wrote:+7

VCoug wrote:He's probably still dealing with some injury problems, especially his wrist that he hurt a couple weeks ago.

Before Linsanity, Carmelo was asked to run the offense, score and take responsibility for the success of the franchise. He absorbed some wicked hits and kept on playing. Never once did he complain. In the process to prove he was a tough guy, he probably hurt himself more. Although he sat a stretch, the sense is he never fully healed.

His shot is affected by the wrist. His legs are not there yet. It could be he is playing on fumes.

The touch pass was as sweet as it gets.

He may have some injury issues but he did play in the all-star game. He looks like he can't finish when he gets near the rim, especially if he doesn't have a full head of steam. I've noticed that if he's driving to the basket or running from a fastbreak, he can finish pretty well. But if he just gets an offensive rebound or loose ball while under the basket, he can't explosively jump and it's likely to result in about 3 missed shots and offensive rebounds.

Its ok ...

Nobody was criticized more than Ewing in regards to passing out of the double team(s). Melo can join the club of abusee's until he wins something in NY.

Thats ok with me.

NYKBocker wrote:Came in not in NBA shape and then was hurt.

No, he missed 7 games with a strained groin and all his other injures have been sprains which have nothing to do with conditioning. If his conditioning were the problem he would have had more muscle strains, like his groin.

VCoug wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Came in not in NBA shape and then was hurt.

No, he missed 7 games with a strained groin and all his other injures have been sprains which have nothing to do with conditioning. If his conditioning were the problem he would have had more muscle strains, like his groin.

Like you just said, he missed around 7 games due to a strained groin. Dude was never a workout fiend to begin with. The lockout really set him back. He is one of those players that uses training camp to get in shape.

Bonn1997 wrote:

nehemiah wrote:

VCoug wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Came in not in NBA shape and then was hurt.

No, he missed 7 games with a strained groin and all his other injures have been sprains which have nothing to do with conditioning. If his conditioning were the problem he would have had more muscle strains, like his groin.

Might want to re-read what you wrote.

I hope he was drunk when he wrote that.

What’s alarming to me is that for such a talented player that supposedly wants to win a championship so badly in New York, Melo didn’t come prepare to take his team to the next level at all, and this is our captain.

misterearl wrote:The Captain is Tyson Chandler

KnicksFE wrote:What’s alarming to me is that for such a talented player that supposedly wants to win a championship so badly in New York, Melo didn’t come prepare to take his team to the next level at all, and this is our captain.

Don't be fooled by window dressing.

Mike Woodson is an equal opportunity traffic cop.

So now Mike Woodson is the reason for Melo’s struggles?

misterearl wrote:The Shot Doctor Takes Advice From The Answer Man

KnicksFE wrote:So now Mike Woodson is the reason for Melo’s struggles?

A. Melo is struggling because his wrist is still jacked up. He is too proud to admit it.

Mike Woodson is the main reason our beloved Knicks are undefeated.

misterearl wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Then he should be sitting. We can win without him and he needs to be healthy for the playoffs.

Perhaps.

This is where people get it wrong about Carmelo. He feels his team needs him. In the same manner he played early in the season with multiple injuries, he knows in his heart that he was brought in to be a leader. As a leader, he cannot not sit quietly while the headline merchants pump out stories about how soft he is.

So he plays on.

crzymdups wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

misterearl wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Then he should be sitting. We can win without him and he needs to be healthy for the playoffs.

Perhaps.

but why not be happy with what he's doing right now, which is a lot.

Because that defeats the purpose.

Great post!

crzymdups wrote:
If you think Melo isn't help the team win games right now, I really question whether you're watching. Who do you think held Danny Granger to 9pts and 11pts? Who do you think contained Igoudala - a guy who often kills the Knicks?

Gimmeabreak.

He's playing injured, maybe, or maybe his shot is off and he's finding his roll in the offense. Maybe he's trying to be a team player because he knows it's what the team needs.

You are projecting a lot here. How about focusing on the tangible? Like we don't beat Philadelphia without Melo drawing constant double and triple teams and making good passes out of them that led to buckets, whether he got an assist or not. We don't beat Philly or Indiana without his passing, defense and rebounding, and yes, scoring, and the attention he commands from the other team on the wing or in the post.

If he were playing poorly at all you might have a point, but he's not. He's just one of these guys everyone wants to play perfect team ball while also scoring 25ppg. That's a lot to ask. Melo is capable and can get there, but why not be happy with what he's doing right now, which is a lot.

Muchas Gracias for your continued insights crzymdups.

If Carmelo dropped 35 and 10 the complaint would be that he is a selfish stat padder, who dominates the ball and smiles too much.

ShellTopAdidas wrote:So let me get this straight...... We gutted our team, traded draft picks, and tons of money for a super star thats not in BB shape, non motivated, and non energetic, and everyones OKAY with this??? Am I missing something here? Smh!

uh, he seems pretty motivated now that he's not being asked to stay out of the way on offense anymore.

"not in basketball shape" is an absurd projection.

you don't hold an all-star like danny granger to less than half his season average two games in a row not being in basketball shape.