Nalod wrote:Why is (Carmelo) a Captain?

A. Because someone thought that giving a person a title makes them a leader. They were wrong. Carmelo is not a leader. He is a follower miscast as a leader because he scored some points in the past.

Tyson Chandler is a leader. He has a ring.

Nalod wrote:I still don't get what is going on with the team other than reducing Lin's touches a bit.

Forget offense. Counting the number of Lin's touches means little in the context of winning games. Jeremy Lin is fun but he is nothing without some help from his friends. The absence of Jared Jeffries during the losing streak is no coincidence. If Lin brings anything it is a toughness. Teammates watch him stick his nose in heavy traffic, get knocked to the floor and figure, "if he can do it, so can i."

Jeremy Lin increases the swag factor.

Nalod wrote:Is this all about "personality" and a grown man having to hold a guy making 5-10-15-20 million dollars "accountable" like an AAU team?

Absolutely.

These are people in a highly competitive situation. They are all at the pinnacle of their field. Every last one of them. Negotiating the diference between winning and losing comes down to personality. The mood swings of the game. That is exactly what makes Uncle Phil a great coach. He takes the extra time to challenge the minds of his players, one at a time. Buying books for players is just one means of getting them to stretch their horizons.

The line between victory and defeat is fragile. Games are decided by five points or less.

The point being, D'Antoni may have been afraid to challenge his stars, or expected them to self-police. It ain't that kinda party anymore. Mike Woodson also takes a page from the Book Of Red (Holzman). "On offense you do what you want, on defense - you do what I want."

This article pretty much sums up what I thought happened after seeing the new and improved Melo. I had my share of problems with MDA, but I wish he would have been giving an actual chance to succeed. The coaching change might be better for us anyway. Woodson is a much better in game coach.

ActionJackson wrote:

eViL wrote:

ActionJackson wrote:unfortunately for many here in NYC Melo = A-Rodso no matter what he does it will never ever be enough....end of story!!!

no matter what he does? what exactly has he done? for such a die hard Knicks fan, i'm surprised how satisfied you are with Melo's performance as a Knick thus far.

Right now not a whole hell of a lot but im just sayin eVil that for example if in Game three aginst Boston last year where he carried the squad, if he takes that final shot he's a ISO ball stopping chucker & if he makes the right play & hits the cutting Jefferies he's a loser who's afraid to take the big shot & the big moment....cant win, cant win

i pretty much supported and defended Melo until it was clear that he was dogging it to sabotage D'Antoni. whether you are pro-MDA or anti-MDA, if you are a Knicks fan, you should be alarmed that all of the evidence points to Melo dogging it. as far as i'm concerned, i can't embrace the guy as a Knicks player because i feel like he not only quit on MDA, but he quit on his teammates, and he quit on the fans.

if D'Antoni had not done the team-first thing (i.e. step down as coach), this would have dragged out all the way into the end of the season and we would have missed the playoffs and consequently given up a lottery pick to Houston.

Clean wrote:http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/03/20/schmeelk-carmelos-admission-nothing-short-of-disgraceful/

This article pretty much sums up what I thought happened after seeing the new and improved Melo. I had my share of problems with MDA, but I wish he would have been giving an actual chance to succeed. The coaching change might be better for us anyway. Woodson is a much better in game coach.

Always been players and we all know them.

They would rather score and have a great game then have the team win without them.

It hurts to see others succeed in your place.

Melo got his NCAA chip being the best player on the court and a great run in a tournament.

They play about 35 games in college. Not quite an NBA season.

Melo can light up a playoff series but the grind of a season is not easy.

TripleThreat wrote:Did you know that many many many men will not date or marry a single mom with children from multiple fathers?

Nope. But I do know that a single mom with children from multiple fathers has absolutely nothing to do with basketball.

It's not just Melo. It's also STAT, but at least STAT actually did have a period of time where he helped the team wins games. STAT has been a flawed players much like Melo, but he did win over fans with coming here and taking on the challenge before anyone else.

Much like the Bulls MDA and the role players proved they could win with effort and teamwork!!! We didn't have our stars and it wasn't easy, but they toughed it out and outworked other teams. If STAT and Melo had given the effort they've shown the last 3 games, and remember this has only been 3 games, this team wouldn't be fighting for the 8th seed. Just the idea that Melo, the star of the team, was doggin it on both ends drives me nuts. In one afternoon he went from reluctant player to mister compliant. Dude is defending, playing within the system all with a smile and a pep to his step. This was before they ever had a practice with Woody! Dude was doggin it.

Now all that matters in the end is how he handles himself from here on. If he plays hard and the team wins, then that is all that matters. If the team wins then fans will forget all his bullcrap and move on, but right now he's still on probation.

If he has the shot with the game on the line he takes it period. If you're playing Denver and your upset that Gallo is outplaying your bitch ass and your force a game winner with three guys on you fading away you get what you deserve.

So until he plays like a man, he gets what he gets. You want the fame, you want the money, you deliver. Period.

If you're a superstar you lead. Every other prime time player does it, we expect it.

MS wrote:Action stop making excuses for Melo. The guy has sucked this year. No debate. Have we won? No. Has he been a leader? No. Does he play hard every night? No. Did he come into the season in great shape. No. Have the Knicks been one of the most dissapointing teams in the entire league. Yes.

If he has the shot with the game on the line he takes it period. If you're playing Denver and your upset that Gallo is outplaying your bitch ass and your force a game winner with three guys on you fading away you get what you deserve.

So until he plays like a man, he gets what he gets. You want the fame, you want the money, you deliver. Period.

If you're a superstar you lead. Every other prime time player does it, we expect it.

That's fair.

MS wrote:It's comical that one person respects him for saying he welcomes the critics. These guys are all so full of **** it's ****ing incredible. Dwight Howard actually said he can't wait for this to all be over because the pressure is killing him. You demand a trade in the middle of the season like a diva destroy team unity and chemistry and then say you're looking to god for strength. You dunk basetballs for 18MM dollars. Go **** yourself!

Melo the same. You're agent didn't give you the opt out like Lebron and Wade so make the season about you. He hasn't won here. He hasn't led here. He destoryed the cap flexibility of the team and usually the flow of the offense. He didn't try to buy into a system that by all accounts inflates numbers and get's everyone paid and players always excel in. He is a cheap shot artist when things don't go well, he sulks all the time, he treats employees of the team bad (confirmed from source) and makes everything about him.

Listen, basketball is not a complicated game. It's easy in fact. A team like the Bulls with limited offensive talent has found a way to win without rose in the lineup, why? Because effort is 90% of the game in this league. Boxing out a man, not taking selfish shots, hitting the open man when you're double teamed, following some basic defensive principles and there is no reason this team should not win 60-65% of their games.

But, we come out without effort. Melo (Amare) never know why. They never have an answer for things. Leaders man up, they box out, the fight through screens and to grab rebounds and they pick their teammates up.

Again, if you don't like the coach that's one thing. But, not giving effort and allowing teams like the Raptors, Cavs, Bobcats to beat you is another. Melo should be getting 8rbs Amare 11rbs, let's not forget everything we have seen about Carmelo.

ShellTop - Carmelo has not caused any chaos between players or between coaches. The fans are always at each other over opinion so what da hell are you talking about?

Dolan gutted the roster. Donnie Walsh resigned because his masterpiece was scribbled on.