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mrKnickShot
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3/16/2012 1:10 PM

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MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
Vmart wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
Vmart wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:I think Lin can ball hard and that he is an All-Star in the making.
To stump his growth would be a tragedy, a spit on the game of basketball, it would be something worthy of criminal charges!
FREE LIN!
You over react to everything.
It's not overreaction but foresight. I see farther down the pike than most.
Call it a curse, call it a blessing; it's the way I have to live my days.
Put it this way: to make everything smooth sails, Melo has to evolve overnight and become something he has never been in his career, a well-rounded teammate. The flashy flashy drop-the-buckets will take us only so far. Lin is a casualty.
FREE LIN!
You you saying Lin can't adapt.
Lin can adapt to many things, but he was soaring high and now his wings have been clipped.
Melo and Woodson want to bury the guy.
Woodson: "where I come from, rookies sit and learn".
Melo: his behavior under MDA, sulking and breaking sets, unwilling to adapt to Lin being the Big Kahuna in the offense, nuff said.

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3/16/2012 1:22 PM

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mrKnickShot wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
Vmart wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
Vmart wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:I think Lin can ball hard and that he is an All-Star in the making.
To stump his growth would be a tragedy, a spit on the game of basketball, it would be something worthy of criminal charges!
FREE LIN!
You over react to everything.
It's not overreaction but foresight. I see farther down the pike than most.
Call it a curse, call it a blessing; it's the way I have to live my days.
Put it this way: to make everything smooth sails, Melo has to evolve overnight and become something he has never been in his career, a well-rounded teammate. The flashy flashy drop-the-buckets will take us only so far. Lin is a casualty.
FREE LIN!
You you saying Lin can't adapt.
Lin can adapt to many things, but he was soaring high and now his wings have been clipped.
Melo and Woodson want to bury the guy.
Woodson: "where I come from, rookies sit and learn".
Melo: his behavior under MDA, sulking and breaking sets, unwilling to adapt to Lin being the Big Kahuna in the offense, nuff said.
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Most of your posts criticize other posters.

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3/16/2012 1:30 PM

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More Jeremy Lin trade talk...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/allenstjohn/2012/03/16/should-the-knicks-trade-jeremy-lin/

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3/16/2012 1:37 PM

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With Lin people have to allow that in MDA's system he was still learning and with the pace we play at which was a very fast pace you can't just go by the number of TO's. Nash has been a little over 3 TO's a game for his career in PHX:


2004-05 	3.3
2005-06 	3.5 	
2006-07 	3.8
2007-08 	3.6 
2008-09 	3.4
2009-10 	3.6
2010-11 	3.3
2011-12 	3.6

Jeremy has nowhere near the experience yet that Nash had when he started for MDA. Nash was 30. Jeremy Lin is at about 4 TO's a game!!! It may look like Lin is the source of our problems with the TO's but in the scheme of things when he was able to do his thing which would often lead to double digit assists his TO's weren't really an issue and he would eventually slow down his TO rate.

I think it was obvious that Linsanity had a net positive effect on the efficiency of the team as a whole. As the team started losing and his impact was lessened due to STAT and Melo, Baron etc. His TO's have been seen in a different light. Lin is still an excellent passer when he's not forcing it. Most of his TO's come from forcing the action.

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3/16/2012 1:41 PM

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Sorry, I don't have any un named sources close to the situation...only a quote from Woodson "Woodson: Lin's my starter"

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3/16/2012 1:58 PM

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NYKBocker wrote:
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NYKBocker wrote:If Lin gets burried again then there will be some pretty pissed off people in the world. If they are treating this as a business then Lin should never lose his starting spot or minutes. If they are treating this as just trying to win basketball games then Lin should never lose his starting spot or minutes.
If Woodson wants someone to control the tempo to cater to Melo then the only move he can make is starting a Lin/Baron backcourt.
Dolan doesn't get effected by the critical mass so he's not going to care if people are pissed. Lin might be the peoples' player but from a business standpoint, Dolan gutted this team to get melo and whether you like it or not, he's your franchise player so he's going to cater to him. Lin is just another supporting cast member in this greek tragedy.
Isn't Dolan all about the bottom line? The more money coming in the happier he gets? If he kills Linsanity then say goodbye to the international market. Asia ordering telecasts of Knick games will stop.

yeah he can cash in on the Asian market but he's already a billionaire. but you have to look at it objectively. who is he going to cater to; an offensive "superstar" whose been in the league for 9yrs or an overachieving rookie?

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3/16/2012 2:03 PM

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MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
Vmart wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
Vmart wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:I think Lin can ball hard and that he is an All-Star in the making.
To stump his growth would be a tragedy, a spit on the game of basketball, it would be something worthy of criminal charges!
FREE LIN!
You over react to everything.
It's not overreaction but foresight. I see farther down the pike than most.
Call it a curse, call it a blessing; it's the way I have to live my days.
Put it this way: to make everything smooth sails, Melo has to evolve overnight and become something he has never been in his career, a well-rounded teammate. The flashy flashy drop-the-buckets will take us only so far. Lin is a casualty.
FREE LIN!
You you saying Lin can't adapt.
Lin can adapt to many things, but he was soaring high and now his wings have been clipped.
Melo and Woodson want to bury the guy.
Woodson: "where I come from, rookies sit and learn".
Melo: his behavior under MDA, sulking and breaking sets, unwilling to adapt to Lin being the Big Kahuna in the offense, nuff said.
[]http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSC-QngYoMLQIWzvlkwR1Ok0HVesQPRUEqBQGN4sxG4ev9yx_-N[]
Most of your posts criticize other posters.

Please tell us what you think of Melo, we have no idea where you stand.

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3/16/2012 2:04 PM

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mrKnickShot wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
Vmart wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
Vmart wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:I think Lin can ball hard and that he is an All-Star in the making.
To stump his growth would be a tragedy, a spit on the game of basketball, it would be something worthy of criminal charges!
FREE LIN!
You over react to everything.
It's not overreaction but foresight. I see farther down the pike than most.
Call it a curse, call it a blessing; it's the way I have to live my days.
Put it this way: to make everything smooth sails, Melo has to evolve overnight and become something he has never been in his career, a well-rounded teammate. The flashy flashy drop-the-buckets will take us only so far. Lin is a casualty.
FREE LIN!
You you saying Lin can't adapt.
Lin can adapt to many things, but he was soaring high and now his wings have been clipped.
Melo and Woodson want to bury the guy.
Woodson: "where I come from, rookies sit and learn".
Melo: his behavior under MDA, sulking and breaking sets, unwilling to adapt to Lin being the Big Kahuna in the offense, nuff said.
[]http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSC-QngYoMLQIWzvlkwR1Ok0HVesQPRUEqBQGN4sxG4ev9yx_-N[]
Most of your posts criticize other posters.
Please tell us what you think of Melo, we have no idea where you stand.

Again with criticism.

That's really what you do best and most frequently.

Carmelo Anthony is ANTI-BASKETBALL

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3/16/2012 2:09 PM

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MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
Vmart wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
Vmart wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:I think Lin can ball hard and that he is an All-Star in the making.
To stump his growth would be a tragedy, a spit on the game of basketball, it would be something worthy of criminal charges!
FREE LIN!
You over react to everything.
It's not overreaction but foresight. I see farther down the pike than most.
Call it a curse, call it a blessing; it's the way I have to live my days.
Put it this way: to make everything smooth sails, Melo has to evolve overnight and become something he has never been in his career, a well-rounded teammate. The flashy flashy drop-the-buckets will take us only so far. Lin is a casualty.
FREE LIN!
You you saying Lin can't adapt.
Lin can adapt to many things, but he was soaring high and now his wings have been clipped.
Melo and Woodson want to bury the guy.
Woodson: "where I come from, rookies sit and learn".
Melo: his behavior under MDA, sulking and breaking sets, unwilling to adapt to Lin being the Big Kahuna in the offense, nuff said.

Adamek's blog says that Woodson said Lin is his starting point guard and that they are on the same page. I wouldn't read too much into the attention grabbing headlines of Berman's column and his out of context quotes from interviews of Woodson. I do think Lin's role will change. Also, Melo isn't trying to bury Lin. He was quoted as saying Lin is his favorite teammate. Berman should never be a source unless he names a source.

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3/16/2012 2:13 PM

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MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
Vmart wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
Vmart wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:I think Lin can ball hard and that he is an All-Star in the making.
To stump his growth would be a tragedy, a spit on the game of basketball, it would be something worthy of criminal charges!
FREE LIN!
You over react to everything.
It's not overreaction but foresight. I see farther down the pike than most.
Call it a curse, call it a blessing; it's the way I have to live my days.
Put it this way: to make everything smooth sails, Melo has to evolve overnight and become something he has never been in his career, a well-rounded teammate. The flashy flashy drop-the-buckets will take us only so far. Lin is a casualty.
FREE LIN!
You you saying Lin can't adapt.
Lin can adapt to many things, but he was soaring high and now his wings have been clipped.
Melo and Woodson want to bury the guy.
Woodson: "where I come from, rookies sit and learn".
Melo: his behavior under MDA, sulking and breaking sets, unwilling to adapt to Lin being the Big Kahuna in the offense, nuff said.
[]http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSC-QngYoMLQIWzvlkwR1Ok0HVesQPRUEqBQGN4sxG4ev9yx_-N[]
Most of your posts criticize other posters.
Please tell us what you think of Melo, we have no idea where you stand.

Again with criticism.
That's really what you do best and most frequently.

When you continuously repeat the same "I hate Melo" comments in 95 percent of your post, you will obviously open yourself up for criticism. You obviously have the right to your opinion as other have a right to criticize. Not hating or try to make it personal but that's the way it is. You seem to get criticized a lot board but by being so forward with your hate, I am sure that you can understand that it is par for the course.

No personal beef ... just responding to your hate with disdain.

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http://www.newsday.com/sport...role-1.3607120

Lin was asked about his role changing or whether he was worried about losing his starting job. As he was answering, Woodson walked past him. Lin stopped talking to the media, and huddled with Woodson and asked if he could tell reporters they met and he would remain the starter.
"Absolutely," Woodson said. "Say it that way: Absolutely."
So Lin did.
"Me and coach talked this morning," he said. "He said that's not going to change. He told me not to worry about anything, just play my game."

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Woodson also told Lin to "continue to initiate the offense, be aggressive. He’s said there’s going to be a lot of spacing and still the opportunity to play pick-and-roll. But at the same time we’re going to utilize the post as well."

Mike Bibby, who played for Woodson in Atlanta, said Woodson's offense is 'totally different' from D'Antoni's. A point guard's role in Woodson's offense, Bibby says, is to get the ball in the hands of the team's scorers.

"Just make plays and knock down shots," he said.

Lin had been relied upon to score more under D'Antoni. He took 14 shots per game when D'Antoni was coaching.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/14496/woodson-lins-my-starter

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It's true that Woodson is a product of the old school train of thought. He was fired from Atlanta for not being more flexible in using more than just ISO Joe offense. Here he has the benefit of being able to use some of what MDA did and still go with some ISO stuff. IMO it has to be a blend because it can't devolve into pure ISO. NY fans won't stand for that. They booed Melo when things got to that point and I think it would happen again if the offense stalls. Fans still want to see some Linsanity mixed in. Lin can make some beautiful passes and when they defend and run he's extremely effective hitting his teammates.

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Gonna be great seeing Lin tally 10+ assists a night and hit tons of open shots between him and Smith!

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nixluva wrote:It's true that Woodson is a product of the old school train of thought. He was fired from Atlanta for not being more flexible in using more than just ISO Joe offense. Here he has the benefit of being able to use some of what MDA did and still go with some ISO stuff. IMO it has to be a blend because it can't devolve into pure ISO. NY fans won't stand for that. They booed Melo when things got to that point and I think it would happen again if the offense stalls. Fans still want to see some Linsanity mixed in. Lin can make some beautiful passes and when they defend and run he's extremely effective hitting his teammates.

I don't think fans care if we were an all ISO team as long as we are putting up W's. 1994 was a slow ugly game but produced wins and the fans were happy (maybe not as entertained though). Melo got/gets booed for the ISO's because of the perception that it was breaking the offensive system that MDA put forth, and it probably was breaking it.

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nixluva wrote:It's true that Woodson is a product of the old school train of thought. He was fired from Atlanta for not being more flexible in using more than just ISO Joe offense. Here he has the benefit of being able to use some of what MDA did and still go with some ISO stuff. IMO it has to be a blend because it can't devolve into pure ISO. NY fans won't stand for that. They booed Melo when things got to that point and I think it would happen again if the offense stalls. Fans still want to see some Linsanity mixed in. Lin can make some beautiful passes and when they defend and run he's extremely effective hitting his teammates.
I don't think fans care if we were an all ISO team as long as we are putting up W's. 1994 was a slow ugly game but produced wins and the fans were happy (maybe not as entertained though). Melo got/gets booed for the ISO's because of the perception that it was breaking the offensive system that MDA put forth, and it probably was breaking it.

True...I like more of an up tempo game...but I prefer winning over losing. It is all about whether or not we win. If we win, then we will all be "Woodsporting".

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Jeremy Lin has his flaws -- dribble still isn't tight enough (gets poked away), needs to work on going to his left and a quicker jump shot. There was a reason he wasn't drafted: his incomplete skill set remains a weakness. But he also the potential, with a few summers worth of work, to be a top-tier guard. So I hope Woodson or any other coach finds the balance in helping him develop.

But without Linsanity, our season would be dead and buried now. As it is, it's struggling, but still has a heartbeat.

That's why when I'm at the game tonight, even up in the nosebleed seats, I will scream and cheer my lungs out when Lin is introduced. As a Knicks fan, I owe him that -- he, Chandler, JJ, Novak and all those guys who stepped up when the team was in danger of losing the season. I'm not against Melo and I won't boo even when his shot isn't falling (as long as it's not the 12th straight chuck of the game), but he'll have to earn my Knicks loyalty too, from now on. The resume got him his 20 million job, but he'll have to earn my cheers. Stat I can still cheer; I hate his decline but he carried this team last year. I'm talking as a fan.

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RoyBatty wrote:Stat I can still cheer; I hate his decline but he carried this team last year. I'm talking as a fan.

I hear that. STATS decline and shortcomings are more palatable to me for some reason. His lack of lateral movement, inability to bend down, inability to dribble, inability to properly box out, having guys blow by him on the dribble, and constantly getting blocked while yelling "and one" are frustrating...but I think his effort is there. LOL!

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soundcrib wrote:Dolan is the boss and Woodson is his employee on a 23 game interview.
Lin will still start and isn't going anywhere.
$$$$$

Exactly. Taking Lin out will be like saying "Let's give up Asia market and the Asian American market". Dumblan might be an inbred fool, but at least he knows not to pass up the bucks when given a silver platter.

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Nalod wrote:One might say we go with Baron for the last run and see what that does.
He is still limited in his minutes and in any instant Baron gets hurt and then we go back to Lin.
To play Bibby over Lin would be plain ignorant.
To not further develop Lin is crazy unless we are going to trade him.

I hope Lin never gets traded to make way for half court grind offense. But it's very possible this will happen. It's amazing to see how people have already started dissing Lin. People are now happy to see BD start ahead of Lin? Really? What is Lin ? Use and throw 7 game win streak? he should start every game for the rest of the season. He has earned that much.

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