SteveSmith wrote:

Vmart wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

SteveSmith wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Uptown wrote:BTW, how in the world did this cancer win 50+ games in Denver? How did he take that lotto organization to a perenial playoff team? And before anyone brings up the 1st round playoff exits, please consider that the Nuggs were usually the road team without homecourt adantage losing to the likes of the Lakers and Spurs....

that lotto organization seems to have done ok without Melo. Clearly there was more talent there than met the eye.

Or they just have a great coach that knows how to get the most out of his players.

As in Lin, Shump, Fields, Walker, Novak, Jeffries, Tyson winning 7 of 8?

I like that lineup. They play hard and do whatever the coach asks. You know why? Because none of them ever had a chance to succeed as focal parts of a team. They played at another level because of it. Over an 82 games season that lineup is almost as bad as the Duhon/DLee teams.

Precisely, playing hard over a small game sample is good but try doing that over a course of a season and than talent comes into play that's when losing sets in. DLee Duhon and all the others played hard they left it on the floor but at the end of the year it didn't amount to a hill of beans.

Lin makes all the difference in my opinion. He is much further to a Nash then a Duhon. The real thing would be to have STAT and Melo to play like the game matters to them on both sides of the floor. And Melo in particular: Shut your trap and do what coach tells you! Better yet, do the right thing without the coach having to tell you!

Like I said before Melo should Q-Rich it. Stand in the corner and Jack at will. Run the floor and let it fly from three point range. Even though posting up and creating mismatches is part of the game our coaching system doesn't call for it. Do what the coach wants and at the end win or lose it won't be on him but the coach.

eViL wrote:i can't believe i just read an article where a major portion of the story described Melo routinely breaking plays and sabotaging the team and that ANYONE is responding "see this is why we need a new coach..." REALLY?!?! this is not about supporting MDA. this is about NOT SUPPORTING insubordinate team cancers like Melo.

at this stage, i feel very comfortable saying that anyone who supports Carmelo Anthony is a certified FUCKING IDIOT.

Isnt it up to the coach to pull him out of the game?

GustavBahler wrote:I agree that Melo's behavior lately has been poor to say the least but that doesn't mean the D'Antoni is blameless in this either. All in all he's been a lousy tactician, a sub par motivator, and meager manager of talent.

A big reason for the constant roster changes was because MDA wasn't getting the most out of what he had. If they got equal value for Melo at this point and it made sense chemistry wise then I'd be open to a move if Melo wants out and its past the point of no return. Just as those of you who can gloss over every poor decision MDA has made over the last 4 years should be open to getting a new coach who can do a better job of maximizing the talent after this season if this team can't make the playoffs or can't make a respectable showing if they get there.

D'Antoni has done absolutely nothing to make a case that he deserves an extension. The record doesn't reflect it and after 4 years of futility that's all that matters. Not the roster changes, not Melo, the record.

What happens if Melo gets traded by thursday? Do we reset the clock yet again because D'Antoni needs more time? What will be the excuse then if it doesn't work out? Who will you want to trade next? Right now its a pox on both their houses situation, no one's hands are clean and its silly to act like its just about Melo. We sucked before Melo and we will probably suck after Melo without a new coach.

You could replace the coach if that’s what needs to be done in order to right the ship, but there is no denying that the MAIN reason for this year’s team underachieving right now, is Melo not living up to his expectation, especially his poor body language and behavior. GREAT PLAYERS have the rare ability of making mediocre players or coaches look good, if you don’t believe just ask Vinnie Del Negro in LA what he thinks about his TRUE GREAT PLAYER CP3.

Vmart wrote:Like I said before Melo should Q-Rich it. Stand in the corner and Jack at will. Run the floor and let it fly from three point range. Even though posting up and creating mismatches is part of the game our coaching system doesn't call for it. Do what the coach wants and at the end win or lose it won't be on him but the coach.

no wonder you like Melo. you guys share a similar attitude. very anti-team behavior you are suggesting.

i'm surprised a fan (of the team) would want their superstar to do anything but be a good soldier. but here you are suggesting he just passive-aggressively turn into a 3pt chucker to prove a point to coach.

lol.

i hate to think i could judge a person based on their opinion regarding basketball, but damn -- some folks have an outlook that is very revealing of their intelligence and their values.

eViL wrote:

Vmart wrote:Like I said before Melo should Q-Rich it. Stand in the corner and Jack at will. Run the floor and let it fly from three point range. Even though posting up and creating mismatches is part of the game our coaching system doesn't call for it. Do what the coach wants and at the end win or lose it won't be on him but the coach.

no wonder you like Melo. you guys share a similar attitude. very anti-team behavior you are suggesting.

i'm surprised a fan (of the team) would want their superstar to do anything but be a good soldier. but here you are suggesting he just passive-aggressively turn into a 3pt chucker to prove a point to coach.

lol.

i hate to think i could judge a person based on their opinion regarding basketball, but damn -- some folks have an outlook that is very revealing of their intelligence and their values.

I think you're being a little to harsh on VMart. What he's saying is if that's what D'Antoni wants him to do than do it. If/when it doesn't work out it'll be on the coach. The way I read it he's calling for Melo to do exactly what the coach says because he's of the opinion it won't produce results which will in turn get Mike out of here.

I think you should be careful calling people out on their intelligence.

SteveSmith wrote:

Vmart wrote:I swear if Hakeem was given to MDA he would ruin his game.

Who, aside from Melo, has underachieved with MDA?

And now ask yourself the opposite: How many players have overachieved with MDA?

And directly to your question: Hakeem would probably have some adjustments to make with MDA, yes. He was an very good Iso player, dont know about his Pick and Roll. But Hakeem would try to adjust, send out the right signals, make it work. Maybe I am delusional, but I dont believe he would act like a spoiled child.

I think the difference is that while a lot of players have over achieved with MDA, those players pretty much started their careers under him or were after thoughts elsewhere. He got to mold them into the type of players that fit perfectly into his system. Much like Lin and the guys during the run we had, they were starving for opportunity and played their asses off. The only time he's had to coach a guy like Melo before, who has had a lot of success before, was when he coached Marbury (psycho) and Nash. And Nash is arguably the best PG of all time and a great team guy.

eViL wrote:

Vmart wrote:Like I said before Melo should Q-Rich it. Stand in the corner and Jack at will. Run the floor and let it fly from three point range. Even though posting up and creating mismatches is part of the game our coaching system doesn't call for it. Do what the coach wants and at the end win or lose it won't be on him but the coach.

no wonder you like Melo. you guys share a similar attitude. very anti-team behavior you are suggesting.

i'm surprised a fan (of the team) would want their superstar to do anything but be a good soldier. but here you are suggesting he just passive-aggressively turn into a 3pt chucker to prove a point to coach.

lol.

i hate to think i could judge a person based on their opinion regarding basketball, but damn -- some folks have an outlook that is very revealing of their intelligence and their values.

This is what I'm saying in the MDA system Qrich shot 38% for the season and 35% from three point range he averaged a lot of shots that season and the team won it was seen as good basketball in the MDA system. What's wrong with playing in the context of the system if it is still that system. Honestly speaking I haven't seen SSOL this season. Let it be known that if you are open any shot is a good shot.

GustavBahler wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I agree that Melo's behavior lately has been poor to say the least but that doesn't mean the D'Antoni is blameless in this either. All in all he's been a lousy tactician, a sub par motivator, and meager manager of talent.

A big reason for the constant roster changes was because MDA wasn't getting the most out of what he had. If they got equal value for Melo at this point and it made sense chemistry wise then I'd be open to a move if Melo wants out and its past the point of no return. Just as those of you who can gloss over every poor decision MDA has made over the last 4 years should be open to getting a new coach who can do a better job of maximizing the talent after this season if this team can't make the playoffs or can't make a respectable showing if they get there.

D'Antoni has done absolutely nothing to make a case that he deserves an extension. The record doesn't reflect it and after 4 years of futility that's all that matters. Not the roster changes, not Melo, the record.

What happens if Melo gets traded by thursday? Do we reset the clock yet again because D'Antoni needs more time? What will be the excuse then if it doesn't work out? Who will you want to trade next? Right now its a pox on both their houses situation, no one's hands are clean and its silly to act like its just about Melo. We sucked before Melo and we will probably suck after Melo without a new coach.

You could replace the coach if that’s what needs to be done in order to right the ship, but there is no denying that the MAIN reason for this year’s team underachieving right now, is Melo not living up to his expectation, especially his poor body language and behavior. GREAT PLAYERS have the rare ability of making mediocre players or coaches look good, if you don’t believe just ask Vinnie Del Negro in LA what he thinks about his TRUE GREAT PLAYER CP3.

Its not just about Melo, he isn't the only player who hasn't lived up to expectations this season, if it was just about him the record most likely would be different. Yes Lin had that record breaking run but it was bound to end whether Melo came back or not. And the flipside to your argument is that great coaches can maximize the talent they have on hand. D'Antoni couldn't do it before Melo so this isn't an isolated incident. Like I said there is enough blame to go around.

While I agree that there is enough blame to go around, MDA had the Knicks in the playoff last year with a very young team, and they did make the playoff after many years of not making it. As far as the years before, how exactly any coach is supposes to win a championship with Duhon, Q Rich, and Al Harrington in your starting lineup? Do you truly follow the NBA?

KnicksFE wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I agree that Melo's behavior lately has been poor to say the least but that doesn't mean the D'Antoni is blameless in this either. All in all he's been a lousy tactician, a sub par motivator, and meager manager of talent.

A big reason for the constant roster changes was because MDA wasn't getting the most out of what he had. If they got equal value for Melo at this point and it made sense chemistry wise then I'd be open to a move if Melo wants out and its past the point of no return. Just as those of you who can gloss over every poor decision MDA has made over the last 4 years should be open to getting a new coach who can do a better job of maximizing the talent after this season if this team can't make the playoffs or can't make a respectable showing if they get there.

D'Antoni has done absolutely nothing to make a case that he deserves an extension. The record doesn't reflect it and after 4 years of futility that's all that matters. Not the roster changes, not Melo, the record.

What happens if Melo gets traded by thursday? Do we reset the clock yet again because D'Antoni needs more time? What will be the excuse then if it doesn't work out? Who will you want to trade next? Right now its a pox on both their houses situation, no one's hands are clean and its silly to act like its just about Melo. We sucked before Melo and we will probably suck after Melo without a new coach.

You could replace the coach if that’s what needs to be done in order to right the ship, but there is no denying that the MAIN reason for this year’s team underachieving right now, is Melo not living up to his expectation, especially his poor body language and behavior. GREAT PLAYERS have the rare ability of making mediocre players or coaches look good, if you don’t believe just ask Vinnie Del Negro in LA what he thinks about his TRUE GREAT PLAYER CP3.

Its not just about Melo, he isn't the only player who hasn't lived up to expectations this season, if it was just about him the record most likely would be different. Yes Lin had that record breaking run but it was bound to end whether Melo came back or not. And the flipside to your argument is that great coaches can maximize the talent they have on hand. D'Antoni couldn't do it before Melo so this isn't an isolated incident. Like I said there is enough blame to go around.

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While I agree that there is enough blame to go around, MDA had the Knicks in the playoff last year with a very young team, and they did make the playoff after many years of not making it. As far as the years before, how exactly any coach is supposes to win a championship with Duhon, Q Rich, and Al Harrington in your starting lineup? Do you truly follow the NBA?

They got into the playoffs and got swept. It wasn't so much the sweep but how they lost and D'Antoni's coaching.

As for the rest of your post, please show where I said that they should have won a championship with last year's lineup? No one on this board has even come close to suggesting that. If I did you would be right to ask if I was watching games.

SteveSmith wrote:

Vmart wrote:

SteveSmith wrote:

Vmart wrote:

SteveSmith wrote:

Vmart wrote:Like I said before Melo should Q-Rich it. Stand in the corner and Jack at will. Run the floor and let it fly from three point range. Even though posting up and creating mismatches is part of the game our coaching system doesn't call for it. Do what the coach wants and at the end win or lose it won't be on him but the coach.

Like everybody else, I have no idea what exactly coach tells the players, but "stand in the corner and jack at will"? I dont believe for a second thats what hes being told. How about backdoor cuts, setting and using off-ball screens, drives and yes, catch and shoot from the corner?

MDA is about having grown up players that know the basics of basketball and buy in a team concept.

Back door plays get in the way of a pick and roll don't you know.

And what is it that Fields does all the time? What is it that Melo did in the first half of the Boston game? If its not called back door play, call it different, but do it

Didn't MDA tell fields to stay out of the way.

Did he? Didnt know that. And without any intention of confronting you or anything like that: were do you know this from?

I read as much, if I can find the article I'll post it for you.