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Michael6835 wrote:Really? Vince Carter?
The team has sucked, but Melo has been on until he got here in NY. The moment they traded for Melo meant they were not going to be a MDA type of team. They should have just tossed MDA then and brought in someone who can implement something a little different.
This system is not working, the Lin finding is good, but we were fooled into thinking that we somehow found an ace when we really just beat bad teams.

Why can't we run the Triangle or something that would maximize the skill set of the players on the team. There was this coach, can't remember his name, who had great success running the triangle with 2 different teams, but with players of similar skill set.

They didn't have flashy HOF point guards.

You are right can't be fooled by linsanity and beating bad teams. That team with Jeffries starting at PF can't beat legitimate playoff teams. You can't say we are better without Amare & melo

You're preaching to the choir - they will make us prove it by saying we need to sit Melo and Amare and play the same schedule

Vmart wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

Vmart wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

Vmart wrote:Melo isn't going anywhere not until Phil Jackson gets a chance to coach him.

Do you really see Melo as someone PhilJax would want to coach?

To my mind, he's nowhere near the class of play PhilJax coaches. He's not anywhere near Kobe or Mike!

I'll tell you what let Phil Jackson decide his fate as to what he is and what he is not.

Would Dolan work WITH Phil Jackson?

I can't imagine Phil Jackson coming into a situation like this where you have Dolan and Isiah plotting against him.

Put it this way Phil will coach the Knicks for the right price. Phil loves superstars as much as Dolan.

Yea and we know the price will be right, but Dolan doesn't work with his coaches. Would Phil Jax take the risk of working under Dolan?

I can't think of a similar situation in the NBA, where an owner pits the front office against the coach to this degree. It's almost like there is the team on the court and the team upstairs, and they hate each other, but the team upstairs can throw a fork or a knife in the team downstairs at any time and without warning.

mrKnickShot wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Vince Carter?

You are generous mood today.

Closer to Tony Campbell.

Man you are just too funny - a regular stand up comic!

JCrusher wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I would look to deal Stoudemire first to see if that makes a difference with Melo. Then if it doesn't work fire Dantoni. Those 2 things need to happen before trading Melo, a young, dynamic scorer who's talent would be extremely difficult to replace. If this was a deep playoff team without him, i would say get him off the team, but we are not a deep playoff team, we are a first round playoff team at best without Melo. Melo is proven in the west as the only major superstar on a strong playoff team. Amare is not, and is older and more injury prone. Look to deal him for another PF like Smith, Scola, etc, and see what difference it makes first. I think it is more important to find the right combination of players before trading your best player.

i agree that its clear both guys dont fit at the same time. i think if amare goes melo fit fit better since he will be the main guy

That's exactly what i'm saying. Let's give Melo a chance for this to be his team. He excelled being surrounded by strong role players in the past (Billups, Nene, Martin, Donte Jones, etc.) Let Lin learn to be his Billups, Chandler is Martin as the defensive enforcer, and we have some other solid role players like Shumpert, Fields, Novak, Davis, Harrellson, JJ, etc who all fit specific roles off the bench. Trade Stat to add another good fit for Melo, then let's see what happens.

hey i dont have a probelm with that i would even make amare come off the bench but we know that wont happen

Exactly, that won't happen. Need a trade.

Its gonna be tough to trade him with that contract and his awful year he has had

It will be very hard, but i think there must be someone out there. How about Houston, who has been willing to trade everything on their roster for Pau Gasol. I will trade them Stat and Fields for Scola and Lee, plus fillers like Thabeet and Hill to make it work. Scola provides a better mid range game and better D, and is low maintanance. Lee can become a spot up shooter/defender Raja Bell-type that this team so desperately needs. We trade more talent than we receive, but the fit would be better. Houston goes to war with Lowry, Stat, and Martin, and has the look of a nice playoff team while we have a look of a balanced team ready to compliment Melo.

C Chandler
PF Scola
SF Anthony
SG Lee
PG Lin
6th Shump

Knixkik wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I would look to deal Stoudemire first to see if that makes a difference with Melo. Then if it doesn't work fire Dantoni. Those 2 things need to happen before trading Melo, a young, dynamic scorer who's talent would be extremely difficult to replace. If this was a deep playoff team without him, i would say get him off the team, but we are not a deep playoff team, we are a first round playoff team at best without Melo. Melo is proven in the west as the only major superstar on a strong playoff team. Amare is not, and is older and more injury prone. Look to deal him for another PF like Smith, Scola, etc, and see what difference it makes first. I think it is more important to find the right combination of players before trading your best player.

i agree that its clear both guys dont fit at the same time. i think if amare goes melo fit fit better since he will be the main guy

That's exactly what i'm saying. Let's give Melo a chance for this to be his team. He excelled being surrounded by strong role players in the past (Billups, Nene, Martin, Donte Jones, etc.) Let Lin learn to be his Billups, Chandler is Martin as the defensive enforcer, and we have some other solid role players like Shumpert, Fields, Novak, Davis, Harrellson, JJ, etc who all fit specific roles off the bench. Trade Stat to add another good fit for Melo, then let's see what happens.

hey i dont have a probelm with that i would even make amare come off the bench but we know that wont happen

Exactly, that won't happen. Need a trade.

Its gonna be tough to trade him with that contract and his awful year he has had

It will be very hard, but i think there must be someone out there. How about Houston, who has been willing to trade everything on their roster for Pau Gasol. I will trade them Stat and Fields for Scola and Lee, plus fillers like Thabeet and Hill to make it work. Scola provides a better mid range game and better D, and is low maintanance. Lee can become a spot up shooter/defender Raja Bell-type that this team so desperately needs. We trade more talent than we receive, but the fit would be better. Houston goes to war with Lowry, Stat, and Martin, and has the look of a nice playoff team while we have a look of a balanced team ready to compliment Melo.

C Chandler
PF Scola
SF Anthony
SG Lee
PG Lin
6th Shump

Stat is not Gasol who still has value and a tradeable contract. Stats contract is untradeable. I would take any trade for stat in a heartbeat that gets him off our hands. Don't think there are any GM's dumb enough to help us out here.

only problem is that dolan will never allow it. melo was his move, he's gonna go down swinging with him... or just keep raising ticket prices and losing, either way.

crzymdups wrote:i think trading melo is the way to go.

only problem is that dolan will never allow it. melo was his move, he's gonna go down swinging with him... or just keep raising ticket prices and losing, either way.

If we trade Melo, we won't get back equal value. Trading Melo means we are left with a team built around a declining star in Stoudemire, and a team that's fun to watch, and will go on a winning streak, but it's better than a first round playoff team at the end of the day. Rather than build this team into a perenntial first round exit, why don't we try to build around Melo properly, know the success that has happened in the past.

Knixkik wrote:

crzymdups wrote:i think trading melo is the way to go.

only problem is that dolan will never allow it. melo was his move, he's gonna go down swinging with him... or just keep raising ticket prices and losing, either way.

If we trade Melo, we won't get back equal value. Trading Melo means we are left with a team built around a declining star in Stoudemire, and a team that's fun to watch, and will go on a winning streak, but it's better than a first round playoff team at the end of the day. Rather than build this team into a perenntial first round exit, why don't we try to build around Melo properly, know the success that has happened in the past.

Melo is a perennial first round exit. Check his career. One time past the first round. One. And that had as much or more to do with Billups, who was that team's MVP.

I build this team around Lin and Tyson and Shumpert - value defense. I'd trade Melo for Iguodala or Luol Deng or Josh Smith in a heartbeat.

It's not about "equal value" or "talent" - it's about building a team that makes sense together and is all on the same page.

Melo is always gonna be on his page. "Equal value" - is Danilo Gallinari alone equal value, because I'd undo the trade just to get Gallo back, but Denver never would. So what's equal value there?

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

Vmart wrote:Melo isn't going anywhere not until Phil Jackson gets a chance to coach him.

Do you really see Melo as someone PhilJax would want to coach?

To my mind, he's nowhere near the class of play PhilJax coaches. He's not anywhere near Kobe or Mike!

Kobe thinks he is, and between you and him, I am going with Kobe's opinion on this.

loweyecue wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

Vmart wrote:Melo isn't going anywhere not until Phil Jackson gets a chance to coach him.

Do you really see Melo as someone PhilJax would want to coach?

To my mind, he's nowhere near the class of play PhilJax coaches. He's not anywhere near Kobe or Mike!

Kobe thinks he is, and between you and him, I am going with Kobe's opinion on this.

+1000

Carmelo and Kobe would beast together in a diff system. How sad.

Knixkik wrote:I would look to deal Stoudemire first to see if that makes a difference with Melo. Then if it doesn't work fire Dantoni. Those 2 things need to happen before trading Melo, a young, dynamic scorer who's talent would be extremely difficult to replace. If this was a deep playoff team without him, i would say get him off the team, but we are not a deep playoff team, we are a first round playoff team at best without Melo. Melo is proven in the west as the only major superstar on a strong playoff team. Amare is not, and is older and more injury prone. Look to deal him for another PF like Smith, Scola, etc, and see what difference it makes first. I think it is more important to find the right combination of players before trading your best player.

That's certainly one direction to go. We will get some coach who will implement a grinding half court offense, Lin will become a forgotten footnote and we will routinely score 90 points a game with MElo shooting 30% from teh field.