mrKnickShot wrote:I have questioned the use of the PnR in a number of threads and as soon as I bring it up, BOOM NO RESPONSE!! I even directly asked it to Nixluva who has the playbooks on his walls - he fell asleep on me.

We are killing lin with these phantom picks (no real body contact ala KG) and always rolling to the hoop. Teams now see this and are just trapping Lin every time. So the guy who cut cannot be seen and now he is stuck in a hard double. If a shooter sets the pick who can hit a J or even a 3, that trap would be far less effective since Lin would have an easier time getting the ball to the picker who slid to to the open spot that was vacated for the pick/double.

We run this same damn play everytime and team have figured it out. And I know, who am I to question the genius. True, but I just want to understand the genius - and I don't because I am a novice fan who wants to know better.

Also, for all the 8-1 bull sh1t, teams are not following Miami's defensive scheme. Trap and hope that the knicks continue running the same damn play. IT IS WORKING!! Lin woulda hit this was regardless of who came back or any other BS.

And, who during the 8-1 Championship did the knicks play on the ROAD that was anywhere close to the top teams of MIAMI, BOSTON, DALLAS?

Minnesota??? PLEASE! Did anyone see the wall that Rubio hit? Who's fault is that? Melo's?

The biggest issue we have isn't that teams are trapping the PnR. It's the lack of consistent and efficient shooting so that we can space the floor! We absolutely STINK from the perimeter and that's Melo included. Team is shooting 31% from 3. This has allowed teams to pack the paint and deny penetration.

Nash kept winning running the same damn play for 6 years!!! The Spurs are now basically running MDA's offense!!! WHY? cuz it works and fits with the roster they have with loads of perimeter shooters and penetraters. Besides which, it only LOOKS like the same play to you cuz you don't know what you're looking at. Lin is just getting to learn how to run this system and he's far from mastering it yet. He's likely still only doing the basics. There are over 100 plays and multiple variations, it's not likely he's gotten all of that down, not his teammates.

Lin is still a baby in this league. He has to also learn how to adjust to what teams are doing and make a counter move. He has other options as i've said before and you seem unable to process, there are MULTIPLE options and variations on every single play. If you watch the Spurs they actually make use of those variations, tho they didn't always have to with STAT letting them go straight to the basket.

As for the losing this team is doing it's not a simple equation. One loss was in an overtime game in Boston! They had the lead briefly in the Mavs game and really that was a rotation issue since they lost Jared and couldn't really put in the defensive closing unit we've used in the past. I think he would've made a difference in that game rather than having Novak trying to defend.

We all know the Spurs loss was minus Tyson and Jared and I really wouldn't want to play a team as tough as SA minus our defensive anchors. We not only lost our offense, but most importantly our defense which was the main reason we were winning games.

Nalod wrote:It deserved its own thread..........

my big issue is that i don't feel like he's being asked to do something extraordinary.

This shouldn't take some major coaching breakthrough. Just DON'T POUND THE ROCK RELENTLESSLY.

Contrary to what some people here thing, "catch and shoot" is not some magical bball ability. It's a basic skill.

If you catch the ball, and the play is not there, move it and move yourself, and the ball will make it's way back to you if it's the right play.

I don't know why i feel like it's so obvious to me that they are not executing. how many different ways can you tell someone to stop doing something they've been doing forever.

We don't need a coach to cater to Melo's habitual isolation. we need Melo to recognize that his ISO skills are better utilized in key situations and not as a first option.

very, very well thought out. Makes me think of Reggie Miller and his constant movement without the ball. Guys need to watch game film on guys like him and Rip who was also very good in his prime at moving without the ball.

Nalod wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Nalod wrote:It deserved its own thread..........

my big issue is that i don't feel like he's being asked to do something extraordinary.

This shouldn't take some major coaching breakthrough. Just DON'T POUND THE ROCK RELENTLESSLY.

Contrary to what some people here thing, "catch and shoot" is not some magical bball ability. It's a basic skill.

If you catch the ball, and the play is not there, move it and move yourself, and the ball will make it's way back to you if it's the right play.

I don't know why i feel like it's so obvious to me that they are not executing. how many different ways can you tell someone to stop doing something they've been doing forever.

We don't need a coach to cater to Melo's habitual isolation. we need Melo to recognize that his ISO skills are better utilized in key situations and not as a first option.

very, very well thought out. Makes me think of Reggie Miller and his constant movement without the ball. Guys need to watch game film on guys like him and Rip who was also very good in his prime at moving without the ball.

Manu put on a clinic the other day also. Acutally, Just watch tape of Fields when Melo is not in the game. Melo can get 10 easy points if he worked it.

Go back to the day and watch film of Bradley. Havlichek. Guys with one tenth the ability Melo has but much bigger heart.

Melo plays a more lazy style of BB. It doesn't take anywhere near as much energy to post up a guy when you have the base Melo has. Running around like Ray Allen or Rip takes a high level of fitness and expense of energy. Melo make short explosive moves and lately he hasn't had the same explosion he's had in years past.

There is nothing stopping Melo from coming off curls and catch and shoot or go into his ISO if that is cut off. Thing is Melo wants to start with his ISO when he does everything slows down. They need to find a way to incorporate other guys into the play when Melo gets the ball. MDA tried to get Melo to be the focal point and look to pass 1st and then make his move. Melo had mixed results.

Let's be real, the best this team looked was when Lin dominated the ball and setup the team. That works better than Melo dominant BB.

ramtour420 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Nalod wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Nalod wrote:It deserved its own thread..........

my big issue is that i don't feel like he's being asked to do something extraordinary.

This shouldn't take some major coaching breakthrough. Just DON'T POUND THE ROCK RELENTLESSLY.

Contrary to what some people here thing, "catch and shoot" is not some magical bball ability. It's a basic skill.

If you catch the ball, and the play is not there, move it and move yourself, and the ball will make it's way back to you if it's the right play.

I don't know why i feel like it's so obvious to me that they are not executing. how many different ways can you tell someone to stop doing something they've been doing forever.

We don't need a coach to cater to Melo's habitual isolation. we need Melo to recognize that his ISO skills are better utilized in key situations and not as a first option.

very, very well thought out. Makes me think of Reggie Miller and his constant movement without the ball. Guys need to watch game film on guys like him and Rip who was also very good in his prime at moving without the ball.

Manu put on a clinic the other day also. Acutally, Just watch tape of Fields when Melo is not in the game. Melo can get 10 easy points if he worked it.

Go back to the day and watch film of Bradley. Havlichek. Guys with one tenth the ability Melo has but much bigger heart.

Melo plays a more lazy style of BB. It doesn't take anywhere near as much energy to post up a guy when you have the base Melo has. Running around like Ray Allen or Rip takes a high level of fitness and expense of energy. Melo make short explosive moves and lately he hasn't had the same explosion he's had in years past.

There is nothing stopping Melo from coming off curls and catch and shoot or go into his ISO if that is cut off. Thing is Melo wants to start with his ISO when he does everything slows down. They need to find a way to incorporate other guys into the play when Melo gets the ball. MDA tried to get Melo to be the focal point and look to pass 1st and then make his move. Melo had mixed results.

Let's be real, the best this team looked was when Lin dominated the ball and setup the team. That works better than Melo dominant BB.

For them to incorporate other guys into Melos ISO's would be deadly. Another thing that would be deadly is to run the ISO's only when the shot clock is running down.

That's how Pierce and Dirk do it. You don't want to start possessions with ISO all the time unless it's HIGHLY efficient. We don't have Hakeem Olajuwon so I say we move the ball to start possessions.

nyk4ever wrote:couldn't have said it better myself eVil...

my thing is, we all know melo has a ton of talent, then again we all know he hardly uses it right. as much as it pains me to say this because i hate to give the following guy ANY credit, but he needs to take a page from pierce. pierce did the same **** and when they added kg, allen and rondo they got pierce to move the ball for the first 20 or so seconds of the shot-clock and the shot wasn't there he THEN could pound and go iso. melo would be wise to learn this.

It's a simple formula, but Melo really has had trouble accepting it. The evidence is just too strong that this is the way he needs to play. THE TEAM needs to be able to function running the system cuz it allows the less talented guys to have a function in the offense. Melo has to allow that to happen and then take over when he senses it's necessary. I wonder if he has the mentality to accept that kind of role?