Bonn1997 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:What does looking like a superstar before Christmas or last night even mean? A superstar doesn't look like one for a day or a week. Jamal Crawford, Darius Miles, Harold Minor, Gerald Green - those are all guys who have had games or weeks where they looked like superstars.

I know you're not a Melo guy, but comparing him to those guys is ridiculous. Melo has had a career worth of being a superstar so far. And I believe he can be that guy here. What's gone on this season has been ugly but I'm not writing him off yet as a Crawford of Gerald Green.

I didn't compare him to those guys; the notion that a player is playing like a superstar for a day or week sounds desperate though.

There's no way he's had the career of a superstar though. He's somewhere between a poor man's Vince Carter and a rich man's Jamal Crawford.

What is a superstars career? He hasn't won any titles or MVPs. He's been an all star and scoring champ. I suppose repeat appearances deep in the playoffs would help.

But poor mans Vince Carter? Melo has achieved far more and has been way more consistent than Vince had been. Not to mention Melo is a great passer, rebounder, jumpmshooter and post player. His game is far superior

Jamal Crawford shouldn't be considered in the same stratosphere when comparing Melo to his contemporaries.

Vince Carter in his prime? Not close. Vince's achievements and skill set surpass Melo's. I lived in Canada and watched a lot of Vince. Passing? Look at their assist turnover #s. Jump shooting? Look at their 3 point %s. All-star games? Don't even need to comment on that. Playoff performances? Vince has been to the finals and won far more playoff series. Post playing? OK, I'll give you that one but discussing the post play of a guard is kind of pointless.

A more accurate description might have been that Carmelo has had the career of a Stephon Marbury or Steve Francis. It's up to him to change that before it's too late. I can't imagine him playing like a true superstar - I don't think he has the decision-making ability - but he has a lot of talent and could play very well if he truly can acknowledge his limitations and maximize his skill set.

Vince never played in the finals and has been to a conference finals once with Dwight and the Magic as a complimentary piece.

It doesn't really matter who you compare him to. The bottom line is that he has a lot to prove. But just because he's fallen short of expectations here so far doesn't mean he's the same as guys like Francis. If anything he's closest to T Mac so far. As was Paul Pierce until KG and Ray Allen came on board.

We'll see if he can lead a team. It's his team now. My thought is trusting him and the players on this team with a coach that will play to their strenghts rather than a coach who wouldn't adjust to his players is the way to go.

If Melo and STAT can't wake up and make it work I'll new the first to admit I was wrong.

tkf wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:What does looking like a superstar before Christmas or last night even mean? A superstar doesn't look like one for a day or a week. Jamal Crawford, Darius Miles, Harold Minor, Gerald Green - those are all guys who have had games or weeks where they looked like superstars.

I know you're not a Melo guy, but comparing him to those guys is ridiculous. Melo has had a career worth of being a superstar so far. And I believe he can be that guy here. What's gone on this season has been ugly but I'm not writing him off yet as a Crawford of Gerald Green.

I didn't compare him to those guys; the notion that a player is playing like a superstar for a day or week sounds desperate though.

There's no way he's had the career of a superstar though. He's somewhere between a poor man's Vince Carter and a rich man's Jamal Crawford.

What is a superstars career? He hasn't won any titles or MVPs. He's been an all star and scoring champ. I suppose repeat appearances deep in the playoffs would help.

But poor mans Vince Carter? Melo has achieved far more and has been way more consistent than Vince had been. Not to mention Melo is a great passer, rebounder, jumpmshooter and post player. His game is far superior

Jamal Crawford shouldn't be considered in the same stratosphere when comparing Melo to his contemporaries.

if you go back and look at carmelo and vince numbers, they are comparable.. add to the fact that vince was just a more electrifying player and you can see how some may think vince was just as good...

This whole back and forth is supposed to show that Melo is all about numbers and not a positive force on a winner, yet you argue when all things equal go with the guy who was a great dunker. Flawed logic. Melo is a much better player than Vince ever was.

Doesn't matter though. He hasn't led an NBA team to elite status yet. He has work to do. I have faith in him, STAT and Chandler doing it together.

MSG3 wrote:

tkf wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:What does looking like a superstar before Christmas or last night even mean? A superstar doesn't look like one for a day or a week. Jamal Crawford, Darius Miles, Harold Minor, Gerald Green - those are all guys who have had games or weeks where they looked like superstars.

I know you're not a Melo guy, but comparing him to those guys is ridiculous. Melo has had a career worth of being a superstar so far. And I believe he can be that guy here. What's gone on this season has been ugly but I'm not writing him off yet as a Crawford of Gerald Green.

I didn't compare him to those guys; the notion that a player is playing like a superstar for a day or week sounds desperate though.

There's no way he's had the career of a superstar though. He's somewhere between a poor man's Vince Carter and a rich man's Jamal Crawford.

What is a superstars career? He hasn't won any titles or MVPs. He's been an all star and scoring champ. I suppose repeat appearances deep in the playoffs would help.

But poor mans Vince Carter? Melo has achieved far more and has been way more consistent than Vince had been. Not to mention Melo is a great passer, rebounder, jumpmshooter and post player. His game is far superior

Jamal Crawford shouldn't be considered in the same stratosphere when comparing Melo to his contemporaries.

if you go back and look at carmelo and vince numbers, they are comparable.. add to the fact that vince was just a more electrifying player and you can see how some may think vince was just as good...

This whole back and forth is supposed to show that Melo is all about numbers and not a positive force on a winner, yet you argue when all things equal go with the guy who was a great dunker. Flawed logic. Melo is a much better player than Vince ever was.

Doesn't matter though. He hasn't led an NBA team to elite status yet. He has work to do. I have faith in him, STAT and Chandler doing it together.

Couldn't have said it better.

tkf wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:What does looking like a superstar before Christmas or last night even mean? A superstar doesn't look like one for a day or a week. Jamal Crawford, Darius Miles, Harold Minor, Gerald Green - those are all guys who have had games or weeks where they looked like superstars.

I know you're not a Melo guy, but comparing him to those guys is ridiculous. Melo has had a career worth of being a superstar so far. And I believe he can be that guy here. What's gone on this season has been ugly but I'm not writing him off yet as a Crawford of Gerald Green.

I didn't compare him to those guys; the notion that a player is playing like a superstar for a day or week sounds desperate though.

There's no way he's had the career of a superstar though. He's somewhere between a poor man's Vince Carter and a rich man's Jamal Crawford.

What is a superstars career? He hasn't won any titles or MVPs. He's been an all star and scoring champ. I suppose repeat appearances deep in the playoffs would help.

But poor mans Vince Carter? Melo has achieved far more and has been way more consistent than Vince had been. Not to mention Melo is a great passer, rebounder, jumpmshooter and post player. His game is far superior

Jamal Crawford shouldn't be considered in the same stratosphere when comparing Melo to his contemporaries.

if you go back and look at carmelo and vince numbers, they are comparable.. add to the fact that vince was just a more electrifying player and you can see how some may think vince was just as good...

Yes and Identical to Kobe's (Offensive) numbers in almost every stat aside from Kobe averaging 1.5 more assist per game and Melo averaging 1.0 more rebounds a game.

What now?

Maybe we go to the stats?

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Melo is now having the worst shooting stint in his career. He is playing like he really dosen't care. It is the J Lin factor and Mike D type of ball game. I believe that is why Amare is starting to play better because he knows that the leadership is now up for grabs so he is coming out of his funk. LOL all Divas

Again don't see ANY
Leadership from Amare Stoudemire the "Carlos Boozer" of NY Basketball

Give Amare 1 ALI hit to chin, He aint coming out of it GAME, Match, SET
Basketball Game Over SOFT.

Melo can be slumped, Kobe can be slumped, Dirk can be slumped, Dwade can be slumped
they all lead with their actions at end of Games and have the fight to the very end.

A.Stoudemire isn't whom we thought he was. He's afraid to go to basket & can only lead with a 20 foot jumpershot working is sad !

Bonn1997 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

tkf wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:What does looking like a superstar before Christmas or last night even mean? A superstar doesn't look like one for a day or a week. Jamal Crawford, Darius Miles, Harold Minor, Gerald Green - those are all guys who have had games or weeks where they looked like superstars.

I know you're not a Melo guy, but comparing him to those guys is ridiculous. Melo has had a career worth of being a superstar so far. And I believe he can be that guy here. What's gone on this season has been ugly but I'm not writing him off yet as a Crawford of Gerald Green.

I didn't compare him to those guys; the notion that a player is playing like a superstar for a day or week sounds desperate though.

There's no way he's had the career of a superstar though. He's somewhere between a poor man's Vince Carter and a rich man's Jamal Crawford.

What is a superstars career? He hasn't won any titles or MVPs. He's been an all star and scoring champ. I suppose repeat appearances deep in the playoffs would help.

But poor mans Vince Carter? Melo has achieved far more and has been way more consistent than Vince had been. Not to mention Melo is a great passer, rebounder, jumpmshooter and post player. His game is far superior

Jamal Crawford shouldn't be considered in the same stratosphere when comparing Melo to his contemporaries.

if you go back and look at carmelo and vince numbers, they are comparable.. add to the fact that vince was just a more electrifying player and you can see how some may think vince was just as good...

This whole back and forth is supposed to show that Melo is all about numbers and not a positive force on a winner, yet you argue when all things equal go with the guy who was a great dunker. Flawed logic. Melo is a much better player than Vince ever was.

Doesn't matter though. He hasn't led an NBA team to elite status yet. He has work to do. I have faith in him, STAT and Chandler doing it together.

Based on what?

exactly!!

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

tkf wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:What does looking like a superstar before Christmas or last night even mean? A superstar doesn't look like one for a day or a week. Jamal Crawford, Darius Miles, Harold Minor, Gerald Green - those are all guys who have had games or weeks where they looked like superstars.

I know you're not a Melo guy, but comparing him to those guys is ridiculous. Melo has had a career worth of being a superstar so far. And I believe he can be that guy here. What's gone on this season has been ugly but I'm not writing him off yet as a Crawford of Gerald Green.

I didn't compare him to those guys; the notion that a player is playing like a superstar for a day or week sounds desperate though.

There's no way he's had the career of a superstar though. He's somewhere between a poor man's Vince Carter and a rich man's Jamal Crawford.

What is a superstars career? He hasn't won any titles or MVPs. He's been an all star and scoring champ. I suppose repeat appearances deep in the playoffs would help.

But poor mans Vince Carter? Melo has achieved far more and has been way more consistent than Vince had been. Not to mention Melo is a great passer, rebounder, jumpmshooter and post player. His game is far superior

Jamal Crawford shouldn't be considered in the same stratosphere when comparing Melo to his contemporaries.

if you go back and look at carmelo and vince numbers, they are comparable.. add to the fact that vince was just a more electrifying player and you can see how some may think vince was just as good...

This whole back and forth is supposed to show that Melo is all about numbers and not a positive force on a winner, yet you argue when all things equal go with the guy who was a great dunker. Flawed logic. Melo is a much better player than Vince ever was.

Doesn't matter though. He hasn't led an NBA team to elite status yet. He has work to do. I have faith in him, STAT and Chandler doing it together.

Based on what?

I've watched a lot of ball. Based on my eyes. I don't feel like going to the stats but I'll bet they support Melo.

Well you're wrong. If you look at Win Shares (the best statistic) or PER, Vince in his prime years was significantly ahead of Carmelo. It's hard for me to imagine any unbiased way of evaluating Carmelo and Vince that would put Melo on top.

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

tkf wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:What does looking like a superstar before Christmas or last night even mean? A superstar doesn't look like one for a day or a week. Jamal Crawford, Darius Miles, Harold Minor, Gerald Green - those are all guys who have had games or weeks where they looked like superstars.

I know you're not a Melo guy, but comparing him to those guys is ridiculous. Melo has had a career worth of being a superstar so far. And I believe he can be that guy here. What's gone on this season has been ugly but I'm not writing him off yet as a Crawford of Gerald Green.

I didn't compare him to those guys; the notion that a player is playing like a superstar for a day or week sounds desperate though.

There's no way he's had the career of a superstar though. He's somewhere between a poor man's Vince Carter and a rich man's Jamal Crawford.

What is a superstars career? He hasn't won any titles or MVPs. He's been an all star and scoring champ. I suppose repeat appearances deep in the playoffs would help.

But poor mans Vince Carter? Melo has achieved far more and has been way more consistent than Vince had been. Not to mention Melo is a great passer, rebounder, jumpmshooter and post player. His game is far superior

Jamal Crawford shouldn't be considered in the same stratosphere when comparing Melo to his contemporaries.

if you go back and look at carmelo and vince numbers, they are comparable.. add to the fact that vince was just a more electrifying player and you can see how some may think vince was just as good...

This whole back and forth is supposed to show that Melo is all about numbers and not a positive force on a winner, yet you argue when all things equal go with the guy who was a great dunker. Flawed logic. Melo is a much better player than Vince ever was.

Doesn't matter though. He hasn't led an NBA team to elite status yet. He has work to do. I have faith in him, STAT and Chandler doing it together.

Based on what?

I've watched a lot of ball. Based on my eyes. I don't feel like going to the stats but I'll bet they support Melo.

Well you're wrong. If you look at Win Shares (the best statistic) or PER, Vince in his prime years was significantly ahead of Carmelo. It's hard for me to imagine any unbiased way of evaluating Carmelo and Vince that would put Melo on top.

Heres one way :-)

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/24200/the-truth-about-kobe-bryant-in-crunch-time

tkf wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

tkf wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:What does looking like a superstar before Christmas or last night even mean? A superstar doesn't look like one for a day or a week. Jamal Crawford, Darius Miles, Harold Minor, Gerald Green - those are all guys who have had games or weeks where they looked like superstars.

I know you're not a Melo guy, but comparing him to those guys is ridiculous. Melo has had a career worth of being a superstar so far. And I believe he can be that guy here. What's gone on this season has been ugly but I'm not writing him off yet as a Crawford of Gerald Green.

I didn't compare him to those guys; the notion that a player is playing like a superstar for a day or week sounds desperate though.

There's no way he's had the career of a superstar though. He's somewhere between a poor man's Vince Carter and a rich man's Jamal Crawford.

What is a superstars career? He hasn't won any titles or MVPs. He's been an all star and scoring champ. I suppose repeat appearances deep in the playoffs would help.

But poor mans Vince Carter? Melo has achieved far more and has been way more consistent than Vince had been. Not to mention Melo is a great passer, rebounder, jumpmshooter and post player. His game is far superior

Jamal Crawford shouldn't be considered in the same stratosphere when comparing Melo to his contemporaries.

if you go back and look at carmelo and vince numbers, they are comparable.. add to the fact that vince was just a more electrifying player and you can see how some may think vince was just as good...

This whole back and forth is supposed to show that Melo is all about numbers and not a positive force on a winner, yet you argue when all things equal go with the guy who was a great dunker. Flawed logic. Melo is a much better player than Vince ever was.

Doesn't matter though. He hasn't led an NBA team to elite status yet. He has work to do. I have faith in him, STAT and Chandler doing it together.

NO THAT is not what I am saying, what I am saying is that when all things are equal some may give vince the edge since he was a more dynamic player.. so don't put words in my mouth...

I didn't put words in your mouth. You said electrifying, not dynamic. Dynamic mean multi dimensional. Electrifying means "Wow look he dunked over Frederick Weiss".

JonsTintedTails wrote:Muck Felo

Fab Melo?